Sunday, January 9, 2011

FOX News posts DHS memo claiming links between homicidal nut-job and racial-collectivist American Renaissance

Another John Doe #2? Nope, sez county sheriff, just a cab driver.

This is said originally to be an internal Homeland Security memo obtained by Fox News put out by DHS compiling facts known so far about the case. I doubted the format and TPM has this to say:

Don't Jump To Conclusions
David Kurtz | January 9, 2011, 1:59PM

A lot of attention has been paid today to a Fox News report about what was originally described as a leaked "DHS memo" that tied Jared Loughner to an anti-immigration, racist group called American Renaissance.

But Fox has walked back its initial description of the memo as coming from the Department of Homeland Security. Now it uses a labored description: "a law enforcement memo based on information provided by DHS."

That's not the same thing as a DHS memo, and it suggests somewhat less certainty about whether Loughner's reference to the group in his internet ramblings is getting special attention from law enforcement.

Here's the memo:


"The investigation has been taken over by the FBI, and is being run through the Tucson Command Post. Here's what can be confirmed at this time (1800 hrs)...

* Gabrielle Giffords Is in ICU.

* Federal judge John Roll is deceased. He did rule on a 32 million dollar civil rights lawsuit in February, 2010. That ruling brought death threats to Roll and his family, and for a time he was given a protection detail.

* 6 deaths attributed to the shooting. 19 total people hit by gunfire.

* suspect’s mother works for the Pima County Board of Supervisors* the suspect has multiple arrests ... But no criminal record? Intervention by someone?

* no direct connection - but strong suspicion is being directed at AmRen / American Renaissance. Suspect is possibly linked to this group. (through videos posted on his myspace and YouTube account.). The group’s ideology is anti government, anti immigration, anti ZOG (Zionist Occupational Government), anti Semitic. Gabrielle Gifford is the first Jewish female elected to such a high position in the US government. She was also opposite this group’s ideology when it came to immigration debate.

* DHS have a list of names and dates of birth of all victims.

* the ACTIC is still playing a major role in the investigation... Computer forensics is cleaning up the surveillance videos, and images from around the scene, and involved in the investigation - working together, was MCSO, DPS, Phoenix PD, ICE, and of course the FBI. It did just come in from the command post, that the federal judge was Not originally scheduled to attend the meeting, according to wife. She stated that he received a phone call about an hour before and was invited to attend. Wrong place - wrong time. For the planning side, there are impromptu memorials popping up all over the state, but the largest one is downtown phoenix, at the capital."

For its part, American Renaissance denies any links. Once again, I am very interested in the identity of a John Doe #2.


LATER: Second guy identified as "cab driver" according to cops.


Anonymous said...

He's one of yours. Own him.

No matter what you do, you'll never wash the blood off your hands.

This is exactly what you wanted to happen, you got it, now cometh the backlash.

Better find a deep hole to hide in.

"Those that soweth on the wind, shall reap the whirlwind."

Kyle Bennett said...

They have since cleared him of any connection.

But.... ICE? Geez, was TSA there too?

"When tyranny comes to America it will be wrapped in the flag and wearing a blue latex glove."

tom said...

This is whoreshite and anybody with half a brain could spot it. He wasn't any kind of patriot, he was severely mentally ill, and he took out a PRO GUN democrat. Who's working for FOX now in the editing arena, Uncle Josh Sugar and his crackheads at VPC?

John Robert Mallernee said...

Mr. Vanderboegh:

According to the Pima County Sheriff, the other guy turned out to be a cab driver with no connection to the shooting.

Dedicated_Dad said...

News now saying "JD2" is unrelated, cleared.

All over they're still trying to blame Palin - the old "crosshairs" bit - but ignoring all the left-wing reality.

This WILL be spun to tar all of us with this sicko's brush - I strongly suggest we all work to counteract this nonsense wherever we see it.

Letting it stand unchallenged is the worst thing we could do...


Pat H. said...

I've known about American Renaissance for over a decade, I've never seen one reference to ZOG or read a single anti-Semitic statement written or spoken by them.

Do you have such a reference?

By the way, Fox ran a report about Jared Taylor, concluding that there was no connection between he, American Renaissance, and the shooter whatsoever.

I agree, that if the shooter has multiple arrests, but no charges, it would appear that someone was intervening.

I want to know what psychotropic drugs we was taking, based on statements by acquaintances and school officials, he's likely to have been on serious medication.

Dedicated_Dad said...

Smells like someone "spoofed" Fox. This 'memo' is laughable - not least because Gifford isn't even close to being the first jewish female elected to the house.

That said, I also feel I must point up one more thing.

Before I go on, I must state that I have ZERO connection to "AmRen" beyond having in the distant past read some of the articles on their site. I'm not a member, subscriber or whatever. I have no dog in this fight.

That said, I'm not sure it's fair to call AmRen "racial-collectivist" much less the more inflammatory labels they've been called.

From everything I've seen, they're focused on "white self-interest" and make no claims of supremacy or superiority, nor even call for "separatism."

Frankly, given the truly virulently racist organizations - focused on other races - that we're all required to treat as legitimate (NAACP, LaRaza, etc.) AmRen seems to be utterly benign by comparison.

The only way they can "logically" be called "racist" is if one subscribes to the notion that only whites are capable of racism.

IMHO, whites are as entitled to "white-self-interest" as any other group is entitled to "black-"/"brown-"/"yellow-" or "purple-self-interest.

$0.02, respectfully submitted...


WV: Seconal. Damn shame this laughtner loon didn't have some, huh?

J. Travis said...

Schitzo-killer is "linked" to AMREN?

WTF does that MEAN?

He is a paid staffer?
He is a regular contributer?
He has written articles?
He has attended AMREN conferences?

Or maybe.... NOT.

AMREN is in his IE bookmarks?

Well God help CNN, AP, and the Arizona Daily Star and any other website which may happen to be in his computer, if that is all it takes to be LINKED to a homicidal nut.

Don't foget Accuweather and too, I have it on good authority that 90% of all internet savvy killers check the weather!

I'll bet he regularly drinks Coke or Pepsi too!


Gaviota said...

I have to wonder what I would do if I had visited my local grocery store, left just minutes prior to a shooting, and then found my picture plastered all over the media and internet as "a person of interest." Very few people know I carry a concealed weapon, but who knows whom they've been talking to? Informants are everywhere. And, knowing that it's unwise to EVER talk to cops, turning myself in and talking to police without a lawyer present would be insane.

I think I'd hire an aggressive defense attorney, and show up at the cop shop with him and a video camera of my own. I'd sit down in their interrogation room, give them my name and address, tell them I'm not involved, and then clam up.

I can say "I have nothing to say" in English, Spanish, French, German, and Greek. That should about cover it.

Anonymous said...

I haven't read anything that indicated AmRen is "racist" or "anti-Semitic" although they are definitely not politically correct. I guess since they don't kowtow to the new religion in DC that, by itself, makes the group racist.

Of course the .gov has never really had much use for verifiable facts that can be proven. Conjecture and political agendas are much more important.

-LA Confederate-

Dedicated_Dad said...

You want to see incitement? Here's the "smoking gun" (pun intended) from...

Drumroll please!...

The Daily Kos!

Only 2 days before the shooting, they posted a rant by "boy blue" TITLED: "My CongressWOMAN voted against Nancy Pelosi! And is now DEAD to me!"

His "ConggressWOMAN"?


Read more: Look who else put 'bull's-eye' on Giffords

NATURALLY Kos scrubbed the post, but snaps are available all over...

Wanna make this REALLY interesting? We've heard about his "obsession" with the "2012 prophecy" -- well, there's a user named "boy blue" who posts an awful lot of crap on sites related... See for an example...

Gaviota said...

Anon @ 12:35

You dishonorable coward. You despicable Blood Dancer. The viciousness of your rhetoric far and away outweighs anything EVER posted here.

What will you do when it is revealed that there is no blood on our hands? What will you do when there is no backlash, no whirlwind? What will you do?

Same as always. Nothing meaningful. You'll just continue to spew your impotent venom on decent people simply because you're a mutant zombie biker, filled with infantile rage at those who work, produce, and build while you party, play, and loiter.

Go back to masturbating to your video porn and stop interrupting the adults.

Pat H. said...

It's looking more and more like he was an undiagnosed, late developing paranoid schizophrenic who, being undiagnosed, was not being medicated for that.

The tough part will be that since he's not dead, getting his medical records will be difficult unless he agrees. Unless, he's put on psychiatric hold and examined. It may be a while before that happens.

Anonymous said...

"This is exactly what you wanted to happen, you got it, now cometh the backlash."

Oh, grow up you tool.

Anonymous said...

Very odd for such a "leak" to come so quickly. I don't recall this kind of "association" leak after the Fort Hood shootings. Does the person who made the leak have an agenda?

1389 said...


Life is difficult enough for cab drivers without this sort of thing.

In some jurisdictions, cab drivers are not allowed to refuse to accept a passenger. So if a cab driver gets an uneasy feeling about somebody who is hailing a cab, and passes the person by, that person can report their cab number to the local government.

On the other hand, if the cabbie accepts the passenger, and the passenger turns out to be a criminal or a dangerous nutcase or both, the cabbie is out of luck. Most often it is the cabbie himself who ends up being robbed and/or murdered.

Defender said...

Talk about linkage:

"While it is now known that Loughner worked for Gifford's election campaign in 2007, that Gifford subscribed to Loughner's [YouTube} website since Oct. 25, 2010, suggests the two may have been in contact more recently." (WorldNetDaily)

Anonymous said...

Even handlers have a cover; as a Taxi driver? Possibly. Several witnesses place a 40 to 50 year old male with the shooter. MKUltra is apparently still in business.

H. Nelson said...

Looks like the communists er- democrats are eating their own now and using the blame game to point to the right.

After reading through all the twitters from his friends and high school buddys, it comes down to "extreme left democrat executes no-so-left democrat".

My condolences to the families of this tragedy. But I refuse to take the heat for an extreme communist-democrat wanting to create a situation that throws the blame across the aisle. Did the gun do it? No, the communist-liberal-progressive-democrat nut job on the trigger did!

Dedicated_Dad said...

On 1/9/11 @ 1:36AM, a poster on a "conspiracy" site uploaded a screen-snap showing Giffords' YT site subscribed to Loughtners, and the "last visit" as "2 days ago."

This puts the subscription - without question - BEFORE the shooting.


No way to know if Giffords or a staffer did the actual subscription, but...

This is definitely curious!


Anonymous said...

Hey Mike,
On a historical note the media instantly blamed the right for JFK demise. It was a loud and viscious lie that was never set straight.
Some things never change....

Anonymous said...

The judge who was assinated was on the Sheriff Mack case against the Fed's under Clinton. He was very supportive of Mack. Additionally, he is/was currently critical of the Fed's handling of border security.

per a Sheriff Mack live interview 1/10.

Makes one say hmmmmmmm.

wl moses

MamaLiberty said...

Representative Giffords is NOT Pro-2nd. This is a lie being spread like wildfire, as her rating by both the NRA and GOA are D+ and D respectively.
AZ U.S. House 8 Gabrielle Giffords Democratic D+

"Mostly against"

The Feds said...

Fact is, there is a crackdown coming. And the liberals will cheer it on, scare the independents and moderates in line, the conservatives will show that they don't support the turrorists, and whoever is left will go away just like every time that something like this happens.

Give up. Before real consequences start. Internet ID is the result of this, there is nothing you can do but beg for mercy.

DC Wright said...

Anonymous at January 9, 2011 12:35 PM, I just KNOW you're not addressing that to US, so would you kindly clarify as to your target audience, please!

Anonymous said...

@ "The Feds":

I will not be begging you for anything.

If I die at your hands, I will die a free man.