Friday, October 8, 2010

The Wages of Conflation in the Era of the Collectivist Nanny State: NH "child protection" seizes newborn of Oath Keeper citing "militia" connections.

My thanks to the several Irregulars who brought my attention to this.

Stewart Rhodes writes:

We have confirmed that the affidavit in support of the order to take the child from her parents states ,along with a long list of other assertions against both parents, that “The Division became aware and confirmed that Mr. Irish associated with a militia known as the Oath Keepers.” Yes, there are other, very serious allegations. Out of respect for the privacy of the parents, we will not publish the affidavit. We will leave that to Mr. Irish. But please do remember that allegations do not equal facts -- they are merely allegations (and in my experience as a criminal defense lawyer in small town Montana I saw many allegations that proved to be false).

But an even more fundamental point is that regardless of the other allegations, it is utterly unconstitutional for government agencies to list Mr. Irish’s association with Oath Keepers in an affidavit in support of a child abuse order to remove his daughter from his custody. Talk about chilling speech! If this is allowed to continue, it will chill the speech of not just Mr. Irish, but all Oath Keepers and it will serve as the camel under the tent for other associations being considered too risky for parents to dare. Thus, it serves to chill the speech of all of us, in any group we belong to that “officials” may not approve of. Don’t you dare associate with such and such group, or you could be on “the list” and then child protective services might come take your kids.

Note that there is no allegation that Oath Keepers is a criminal organization or that Mr. Irish, in the context of his association with Oath Keepers, is committing any crime. We are not advocating or planning imminent violence, which is the established line where free speech ends and criminal behavior begins (See Brandenburg v. Ohio, 395 U.S. 444 (1969), which, as Wikipedia notes, “held that government cannot punish inflammatory speech unless it is directed to inciting and likely to incite imminent lawless action. In particular, it overruled Ohio’s criminal syndicalism statute, because that statute broadly prohibited the mere advocacy of violence.” We don’t even advocate that the current serving use violence of any kind, let alone imminent violence. We ask them to merely stand down.

Neither is Oath Keepers a militia, for that matter. However, EVEN IF WE WERE, that also would not be a valid reason to take someone’s child away. PRIVATE MILITIAS, JUST LIKE OTHER VOLUNTARY ASSOCIATIONS, ARE NOT ILLEGAL, and it is not a crime to associate with them. To the contrary, we have an absolute right, won by the blood of patriots, and protected by our First Amendment, to freely associate with each other as we damn well please so long as we are not advocating or planning imminent violence or directly harming our children (and no, teaching them “thought crime” like “All men are created equal and are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights,” or that those who swear an oath should keep it, does not count -- at least not yet). A parent associating with a militia is not engaged in child endangerment and is not evidence of child endangerment (despite the shrill screeching of people such as Mark Potok of the SPLC, who desperately wants it to be so). Just recently a Time Magazine article described how the reporter visited the happy home of a militia member and his family -- and those kids are still at home, where they belong, as is the case with many thousands of children across this country who have parents who “associate” with private militias and all manner of other non-criminal groups. You had damn well better defend the rights of those parents to freely associate in their militias and keep their kids while doing so. You can bet that if you let such an association be listed as grounds for taking children from their parents that it won’t only be militia folks who have their rights violated. Homeschoolers, evangelical Christians, gun owners, etc. will also be on the hit list.

Ironic, isn't it, that the Oath Keepers who have done so much to distance themselves from militiafolk keep getting conflated with us in the press, Bill Clinton's speeches and, apparently, in the minds of pinhead social workers and cops. Now I don't know about the other charges here, but the fact that Oath Keepers and "militia" were mentioned at all in this business casts doubt in my mind that these "Only Ones" know shit from shinola about ANYTHING.

Stewart has promised the family pro bono legal services, and that is good. But the danger of the SPLC/ADL conflationary "Narrative of 1995" as laid out by Professor Churchill in To Shake Their Guns in the Tyrant's Face and its seepage -- by lying repetition -- into the consciousness of the "Only Ones" is quite plain.

It would seem in the case of the Oath Keepers that it is impossible to distance themselves from the lie already told -- 15 years ago -- long before they even came into existence as an organization.



David III said...

If "they" decide to come for my child, they will need to bring a truckload of body bags, they will need them!

Dennis308 said...

And remember Stewart canceled at the 4-19-10 RTC on the Potomac, that was a BIG let down for me. I still watch the OK´s and I do support them in what they are doing as far as reminding the Military and LEO´s what it was that they SWORE to in that OATH.
So I guess that TPTB want to test the waters about just how much Resistance they will have from OK´s. Stewart is gona repesint the couple in COURT, we´ll see how that works out. And if the Courts fail them then we´ll see what OK´s actually DO about it. For my 2 cents worth if the Ok´s do deside to take ACTION I will go to their aide. Even though the 3% and OK´s on different paths we both have the same objective a limited Constitutional Form of Government.


johnnyreb said...

I agree that using membership in an org such as
Oathkeepers must not be allowed to stand in such a circumstance,
I disagree that the other reasons listed on the affidavate be kept secret.

Since asking for our help and support on public forums, whether it be financial, moral, spiritual, or physical,IMHO we are entitled to ALL the facts.

I hope this turns out to be bogus; this could start some serious crap.

Anonymous said...

I know the III movement has sworn to no Ft Sumpters, but doesn't this qualify...on the government's part?

Mike in KY said...

I don't know... depending on what mood I'm in, I might throw in the wife, too.

Just kidding. I reckon we'd have ourselves some shootin'.

Anonymous said...

They need to be serious and stedfast on dealing with this. As he said, it'll set the precedent for everyone else.

Yet ANOTHER intolerable act...

Defender said...

I know the DISCLOSE Act didn't pass, but this is the reason the government wants lists of political activists and contributors.
The Nazis did exactly this, grabbing children from schools. You want your child back? We will be taking all the guns from your house. In the end, all that particular trade did was buy a little time.
Boy, it's late.
If your family is going to be targeted because you're a supporter -- not even a dues-paying member -- of something that DENIES being a "militia"... when "the whole of the People" IS "the militia"...

Dedicated_Dad said...

I'm speechless.

That's quite an accomplishment.

They're pushing closer and closer, aren't they?

God help us -- and God Save Our Republic!


Reg T said...

Even if the parents are guilty of terrible domestic abuse, child abuse, or child neglect (all unproven at this point), the inclusion of political affiliation on the affidavit MUST be challenged and defeated. Throughout history, the most common way tyrants and dictators have used to oppress otherwise brave men was by threatening or taking their families. If the "State" is permitted to use the removal of a man's children as a threat to prevent criticism or action, many men will choose to stand down. (Those whose children are actually taken will fight, of course.)

PrisonPlanet published the affidavit on his web site, along with the info (including email addresses) of both the hospital that colluded in the taking of the newborn child, and the New Hampshire Foster Care and Adoption agency. Write, but do so in a civilized fashion. Threats of violence will do neither the Irish child nor the Oath Keepers any good. At this time, at least.

Mark in Wyoming said...

Mike , sorry for the email alerting you of this , I should have looked alittle further down the list and seen you were on top of this.

EMWONAY said...

"from my cold dead hands... but my children.... Not so much".

Where does the waiting end? What will have to happen? If this is true, and no other circumstances exist, we have some serious problems. If it happens to this man, it has happened to all of us.

Alvie D. Zane said...

Rhodes was punked once (RTC 1), so why not twice? And this time, instead of "Hold me Walter", maybe a provacateur-a month before the elections.

Can you say

October Surprise?

J. Croft said...

This is part of the war the enemy is waging-has been waging-against us. The enemy is ruthless; they haven't the moral core we(well most of us)have. And they're clever to use those moral compunctions against us.

Worse, that infant will likely wind up in some home with CPS workers... probably pedophiles... will have their fun with them.

At least Stewart Rhodes is making some nice-sounding noise about standing by OK members... for a change. Remember Charles Dyer/AKA July4Patriot is still in trouble on bogus child rape and firearms charges largely initiated by his ex-wife and opportunistic feddies for being the originator of the Oath Keepers movement... not the "official" oath keepers organization Stewie and his COINTELPRO cronies rule with a iron fist.

At any rate for baby Cheyenne and July4Patriot there HAS to be protests. Names have to be taken. People must be held to account, fear of reprisal is the only deterrent that works with these demons.

Ernest said...

I'm suspecting the CPS workers don't have a solid case and that when it goes to a judge next week the charges will be dismissed and the baby will be returned to the parents.

However the government will have achieved its goal. How many parents out there listened to this story and had to stop and think twice about their affiliations, blog postings, forum participation, etc? How many parents do you think listened to this story and decided to withdraw from the opposition altogether? To just "lay low"?

It's great that so many of the older generation speak out against the government. We cannot allow the government to silence the dissent of the entire breeding population.

Americans cannot accept a "case dismissed" from the judge. We should demand that charges be filed against the CPS workers, officials, law enforcement officers, and everyone else involved in this KIDNAPPING.

Nothing less is acceptable in a free society.

Defender said...

Pertinent part of the affidavit can be read here.

Gasp! Mr. Irish bought several guns and a Taser! And lent his verbal support to an organization that wants to uphold the Constitution and Bill of Rights! Anathema, anathema!

Previous concerns about the Irish family by the child protective people? OK, maybe so, but putting THESE concerns in black and white sends a message to us all. Besides, we know the child services people make up crap all the time to accomplish the mission.
(I just read about one particular Ohio high school where FOUR students have committed suicide after bullying incidents. Where the hell was Child Protective Services THEN?)
Are YOU orthodox enough, comrade?

Anonymous said...

Wondering why this child was taken yet there are supposedly other children still in the home--?

"Jonathan Irish and Stephanie are at home with the kids. Neither has been charged with a crime at the time of this writing and none are expected."

PHXIIIper said...

You know I have kids and thought about this as well however as the saying goes "Only cowards dare cringe". My blog is staying up and I will never back down. I am a free man and I will live as such. I've steeled my resolve long ago.

We need to spread the word on this case and start putting lamps in those liberty trees. This was done intentionally to get a reaction from us and vilify us a la Klinton 2nd term.

They are desperate they can see the writing on the wall and know whats coming.

I'm praying for these guys and that little baby. I can completely emphasize with this families situation and my heart breaks over what they have to go through.

Hang in there!

Justin said...

Yet another government freebie, another travesty allowed to be committed against the citizenry.

I feel for the parents. Glad it's not my child, things may have turned out differently. I don't abide kidnappers, government-sanctioned or not.


Anonymous said...

The baby was returned to the parents by a judge. So in this one, the good guys won.