Saturday, July 31, 2010

Praxis: The EFP War -- Measures versus Countermeasures.



Anonymous said...

You stop IEDs by preventing them from being emplaced. That means 24/7/365 watching the routes you travel regularly.

For pressure plate IEDs of any sort in an open area, I'd use a fuel-air explosive to apply the necessary downward pressure.

Just how fast would the curve climb here?


pdxr13 said...

Explosively Formed Projectile is the direct-fire artillery of the little irregular infantry.

This design scales well, from soda can size to #10 can and 5 gallon bucket, and up, with pretty basic calculations.

What is not needed is the expensive barrel of a cannon. The effect of a shaped-charge explosive behind the several KG plate of metal (not just copper works, gold and platinum are even more ideal) is to push the center forward and fold the edges in behind, like a coffee filter, making a hot/fast spear of metal and plasma that penetrates lightly armored vehicles well and hits what it can't penetrate very hard/fast. The disadvantage is that the device is consumed by the shot. A second shot would be a second device (far enough away to not be wrecked by firing the first).

This is the logical extension of late 19th century technology, upgraded to kill tanks in WWII. Explosives are better now, and there are the old triggers as well as the new to innovate tactics around.

My question is "at what point do we decide to WIN, rather than beat around the bush encouraging the enemy to make and deploy incrementally-more-lethal and harder to detect bombs, at a tremendous waste of our money, effort and lives to detect/disarm/absorb?"

I propose that the hearts and minds of people who want to kill us are best served to scavenger birds in the hot sun.


Unknown said...

The article leaves me with just one thing to say: TAKE OFF THE GLOVES!

Dennis308 said...

You did save the pyrotechnics posting (last month I think it was)for a reason did´t you.

Dan III said...

Walter, I agree.
Too much dickin' around.

Dedicated_Dad said...

Such is the conundrum: Our panty-waisted (hack-spit) "leaders" are too afraid of the bleeding-hearts to take off the gloves and **KILL** the enemy.

Were I in command, it would be quite simple: I'd drop pamphlets by the millions, beam "jamming" signals that would overpower all radio/tv signals, even blast loudspeakers from 'copters -- all with the same message:

(1) We're done playing around.
(2) We WILL kill those who attack us, and those who harbor them - period.
(3) "Collateral Damage" is the fault of the miscreants - to prevent it, they should stop hiding among innocents.
(4) Any TRUE "innocents" should be removed from the blast-radius of any miscreants.
(5) If you wish to cooperate with us, we will guarantee your safety and take you and your children to the USA - or do whatever else we can to protect you.
(6) To repeat: hang out with miscreants, and die along with them.

I believe there's a reason every standing .gov in that area of the world is a brutal dictatorship: The people are simply not culturally evolved enough to handle self-government.

They're willing to kill each other over a minor disagreement based in someone's family tree from 1500+ years ago.

We'll NEVER win them all over, and the more we try to be the "good guys" the more of our young men are wasted to a losing effort.



CorbinKale said...

Walter and Dan,

I am sympathetic to your views, though I am not sure of your plans.

Please be more specific. Are you urging us to go before you, or are you leading the charge? Are your posts bravado, or just manifestations of frustration? Do you have a particular Ft. Sumter in mind?

Bad Cyborg said...

Dedicated Dad & pdxr13, you must not have read Mike's blog of 24, May titled "All Civil War is Local". We can win in Afghanistan but not militarily. BTW, we won militarily in Viet Nam and look how that turned out. The way to defeat an insurgency is not to out FIGHT it but to out GOVERN it. When the storm comes, our side's task will be to out GOVERN the "government" forces. We do that and we win, simple (??) as that. We don't - our great-grandchildren grow up as serfs.

Bad Cyborg X

Anonymous said...

When the time comes... Something to think about:

...and the war to restore the Founder's Republic (and, it is to be hoped, to improve upon it) will be won shortly after the other side starts it.

That is yet to be determined. The "other side" may never "start it" ... again. (Waco, Ruby Ridge, Katrina).

If our only hope is that they "start it", then we may be in for a rude awakening. They may just figure that their "soft tyranny" is working out well enough that their is no more need for "hard tyranny" (well, except for the occasional citizen attitude adjustment that works as a mass citizen reminder to keep our place ... which occurs daily).

270 million guns in private hands is of no concern for "them" while "their" acts of "soft tyranny" are working out splendidly.

If the "men" in this country will allow their wives and daughters naked bodies to be ogled by TSA goons without so much as violent reaction ... to be groped at as well .. just exactly will it take for them to make up their minds that they are going to take back their republic? Another "Waco"?

Violence takes many forms. How about the violence that daily assaults our minds, our virtue, our modesty, our common sense, the truth, and etc.?

The truth is: "We are apt to shut our eyes against a painful truth, and listen to the song of that siren, till she transforms us into beasts."

We are well beyond that transformation. Not so much by force of arms ... but by the "law" and the threat and use of violence to ensure that the "law" is adhered to.

To many people believe that obeying the law is the measure of goodness and virtue ... all the while, it ... the law ... shackles them into beasts. It was the "law" that compelled those of you to make a stand across the Potomac, rather than across the lawn from the Capital building. It is the "law" that compels us to live like beasts, rather than free men.

It is the "law" that is and will be our undoing. Not another Waco.

When Hitler consolidated the law into his favor. When Hitler used the law to build his nationwide security apparatus, when Hitler convinced the masses that the LAW was virtue ... the III per's of Germany were crushed into a minor annoyance and it took a massive military adventure of combined armies to crush Hitler.

They are working against you RIGHT now. They are consolidating all their laws against you right now. They are consolidating all their security apparatuses against you right now.

If our only hope is that they "start it" ... then let us hope that they start it prematurely.

As of right now, the law, the consolidation of their security apparatuses, technology, and propaganda, is on their side. And so far, they are winning.

It may console some to think that the government is full of a bunch of bubbling idiots ... well, look at where those bubbling idiots have done to us so far.

Just something to think about.

Anonymous said...

No man thinks more highly than I do of the patriotism, as well as abilities, of the very worthy gentlemen who have just addressed the House. But different men often see the same subject in different lights; and, therefore, I hope it will not be thought disrespectful to those gentlemen if, entertaining as I do opinions of a character very opposite to theirs, I shall speak forth my sentiments freely and without reserve. This is no time for ceremony. The questing before the House is one of awful moment to this country. For my own part, I consider it as nothing less than a question of freedom or slavery; and in proportion to the magnitude of the subject ought to be the freedom of the debate. It is only in this way that we can hope to arrive at truth, and fulfill the great responsibility which we hold to God and our country. Should I keep back my opinions at such a time, through fear of giving offense, I should consider myself as guilty of treason towards my country, and of an act of disloyalty toward the Majesty of Heaven, which I revere above all earthly kings. - Patrick Henry

Pat H. said...

All of the advocates of unrestricted warfare overseas are advocating the same thing in America.

We will never have lawful government when unlawful government isn't just tolerated outside America, it is aided and abetted.

Indeed, this is why the Republic cannot be restored.

We might be able to return to the Articles of Confederation, but more likely Americans will have to replace the constitution with something that prohibits ALL overseas military adventures.