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"Charges against Harris are pending, including attempted murder of the officers. He has 12 prior arrests, including gun possession, drugs, and four robbery arrests."
Cops fire 84 shots at robbery suspect, hit him once: police.
"...A half-dozen cops fired on the fleeing suspect, who squeezed off a half-dozen rounds in return from his black Taurus Millennium pistol..."Damn, one of them black pistols again--those are the ones that defy gun control.Seems like we've seen this story before in NYC...last time some civs were taken down by the boys IIRC.Six random guys from my Dollar General parking lot could have done it quicker without all the fuss.
Cops need more range time.
Remember when big city police officers actually HAD to be accurate shots ? 1. The bad guys KNEW you were empty at 6. (5 for that snubbie, Lieutenant) 2. There simply wouldn't be any .062 second running tactical reloads unless you were Jerry Miculek. Pray and Spray does keep heads down, but it doesn't close the sale.
Update: NYPD officers will begin using a new target at the qualifying range. It's a picture of the broad side of a barn and measures 25'x15'...
I'm a retired cop who was a firearms instructor for my department for years. Unfortunately this story doesn't surprise me a bit. I had MANY officers over the years who did everything exactly right on the range and then couldn't hit a barn at ten feet when they were involved in a shooting on the street. Simunitions training came along and helped a bit, but the bottom line is that you just can't duplicate actual shootout conditions during training. I can't propose an answer because I just don't have one. I was on the job during the transition from revolvers to semi-autos, and I can say that with revolvers we didn't seem to see the "spray and pray" type of shootings that we did after the conversion. When you only had six in the gun you didn't seem to shoot as if you'd never run out of ammo. God help any innocent civilians who happen to be walking down the street during one of these incidents.
There's really no excuse for this lack of fire-discipline against a single suspect in an urban area.Especially the officers involved completely emptying their weapons like that. That is pointless and dangerous to the officers themselves because the entire team ends up reloading at the same time, while the opponent (who still had rounds in his magazine) could have easily taken advantage of that if they hadn't hit him once, apparently by pure luck.There is, of course, the much greater amount of luck involved in not having managed to hit any innocent bystanders (that we know about). I won't hold out much hope that they miraculously avoided any significant property damage as well. But regardless of whether the innocent bystanders get lucky, shooting your wad at the first contact isn't sound tactics.
Well, at least they did not shoot any bystanders.
One of these days I'd love to see a match between 10 cops picked at random from any major metropolitan police force and 10 CCW permit holders picked at random from that same city's population.Of course you couldn't try this in San Francisco. There aren't 10 CCW permit holders in the entire city.
No surprise....I have a "LE Officer , Pistol Qualified Dept. TRAINER" in the family, God Bless him, I love and RESPECT the kid!!!But he can't shoot worth a shit!! even at 25 yds, on a Square Range with no pressure!To say I was shocked the first time he came over and showed his newly aquired skills and position.....Left me speechless, out of Respect for him....and shocked, this was a Dept Trainer.One thing that this story and so many others seems to backup, he would just start to unload after 2 Deliberate aimed shots. I don't get it.
@White Bear: My personal experience with police and shooting skills was watching a young CT State Trooper at a range, with his duty firearm, MISS every steel plate at just 10 yards. When he was done, he examined his pistol, magazines, and ammo with a disgusted look. He moved aside so I could take a turn at the 5 spring loaded, 10 inch diameter plates. All 5 plates fell three times on one magazine in about 15 seconds. The look on his face was absolutely priceless as I walked off the line.
To quote that old Frito Lay commercial "THE BULLETS!!!"
Hope and change you can count on..good to see the governmetn goon shooting skills are going to shit at the same speed society is....when they come to take my guns i can resist with little fear of dying at their hands unless they burn my house down around my ears..When they had the chance to fix their internal corruption they did not (Hence the Thin Blue Line, read that as institutional accepted and approved corruption)...Wish I could be sympathetic, but those days are long gone...No man can serve two masters, the police are about to learn that hard truth.Sign me, Neal Jensen
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