"Hey, baby, let's go to Mexico."
On Monday, 13 December 2010, the Washington Post ran a story by Sari Horwitz and James V. Grimaldi entitled "U.S. gun dealers with the most firearms traced over the past four years." It began:
A decade ago, politicians and the press routinely reported on gun stores across the nation that had the most traces for firearms recovered by police. In 2003, under pressure from the gun lobby, Congress passed a law that hid from public view the government database that contained the gun tracing information.
The Washington Post has obtained the names of the gun dealers nationwide with the most traces over the past four years. In addition, The Post has uncovered the names of the dealers, all from border states, with the most traces from guns recovered in Mexico over the past two years.
In these paragraphs, Grimaldi and Horwitz admit up front that their sources have violated federal law, called the Tiahrt Amendment. We now know who at least one of those federal sources that the Washington Post used for that story was -- William "Gunwalker Bill" Newell, Special Agent in Charge of the Phoenix Field Division.
In a recording of a telephone conversation obtained by Sipsey Street Irregulars, Newell, who refers to himself as "the big dog" in Phoenix is overheard talking to a Federal Firearms Licensee, Mike Detty, owner of Mad Dawg Global Marketing and a confidential informant for the Tuscon ATF office, about a variety of subjects, including the Washington Post story and Operation Wide Receiver, in which Detty played an integral part.
Although the audio file of the conversation is not dated, comparing internal evidence in the conversation with the references to the Washington Post article, it likely took place on 13 or 14 December 2010. Some relevant excerpts:
Detty: I got a call from Sari Horwitz at the Washington Post.
Newell: Oh, yeah, I saw that article.
Detty: And she wanted my comments and one of the things that she said to me, she said . . . I said, 'You know Sari I don't feel comfortable talking to you at least until I talk to somebody at ATF and see what, kinda, what they want me to do. Chances are that they won't want me to comment at all.' And she said, 'well we've already talked to, uh, ATF in Phoenix,' and I said, 'Well, who did you talk to?' and she said 'Well, we talked to the SAC Bill Newell there, and he told us that you're the one that made contact and that you've been cooperating with ATF. . .'
Newell: No. She's . . . she's . . . she's . . . she's playing the old . . . she's a typical reporter playing the old, uh . . . the old, uh, you know, dropping names, um, no, yeah, he did come to talk to us and what they did is what they did for that story . . . I saw that story today and what they did is that they pull court records, and, you know, there's nothing we can do for them, especially in Arizona and places like Arizona they have open court records and in the federal system once the court records are, you know, once the federal and state court records are filed . . . you know they spent a year doing that story, they go out and they look at all the different court records. I'm sorry she called you, it . . . it . . . it's never my intention for her to call anybody.
Detty: No, no, no, it's just that it . . . it took me off guard and for her to say, 'Well, yeah, you know he told us that you were cooperating' and, and, uh . . .
Newell: No, that's wrong. She's . . . you know, she . . . what, what I said and what she was referring to is she (unintelligible) people from headquarters (unintelligible) and what I said was 99 percent of our gun dealers in the United States cooperate with us . . . she . . . she tried to do the same thing with me. She talked to several SACs on the border. It's typical with the reporters, they'll do this. They'll try to say, 'Well, aren't the gun dealers responsible?' I said, 'listen, if a gun dealer knowingly allows certain things to occur without any ATF oversight, yeah." I said 'but 99 percent of our gun dealers are cooperative. They call us, when, you know, there is something illegal going on or about to go on.' And I said, 'without that assistance, you know, we couldn't make the cases we make for the most part. So that's what she's referring to. I would never, never . . . I mean, this is the first time in 22 years I ever gotten a call like this. You know, she obviously played, she obviously played that very well, which I'm sorry that she did because that was not the . . . you have no obligation to talk to her at all. If a reporter ever calls you, you're under no obligation to talk to her at all.
Detty: Well, again, you know she made it sound like, you know this was being talked about and, 'oh yeah, they won't have a problem with it because I talked to this guy,' and, and I left it at that, and what I told was, I said 'Look, you know, um, whether these guys think I set 'em up or not, um, or whether I'm a greedy gun dealer that doesn't care about what guns are going south,' I said, 'either way you print that, I'm the loser,' and I said, 'Don't attach my name to anything, and don't, um, don't quote me on anything, um. 'cause it'll come back to you.' So today, happily, I was glad to see that my name, even my corporate name, was not mentioned in her article. . .
Newell blaming "court records" for disclosure of Detty's involvement in straw man sales was a red herring. In the Grimaldi-Horwitz story there are only four mentions of court records. Indeed, the bulk of the story involves lists of supposed "bad guy" gun dealers derived from the illegally-leaked trace data -- which could only have come from the ATF -- and their reactions to being listed on the Washington Post's illegal list.
One of them was Carter's Country in Houston, who immediately hired Dick DeGuerin to defend them against the slander. Another was Lone Wolf Trading Company:
Lone Wolf Trading Co. in Glendale, Ariz., a suburb of Phoenix, is ranked eighth on the list with about 1,515 firearms traced. Lone Wolf sits in a strip mall, next to Spa Tahiti. Inside, model airplanes hang from the ceiling and the heads of animals adorn the walls. A sign behind the cash register advertised AK-47s for $499.
Lone Wolf has jumped from No. 61 on the 2004 list.
Last year, 12 people were indicted on charges of making false statements in order to buy 17 AK-47-type rifles headed to Mexico. The guns were purchased from seven stores, including Lone Wolf.
Owner Andre Howard could not be reached for comment. ATF officials said they have no indication that Lone Wolf is doing anything wrong or illegal.
Of course not. They're hardly likely to draw attention to their principle source for Fast and Furious weapons going to the Mexican cartels.
Other sources who were interviewed by the Washington Post tell Sipsey Street that they were told by Horwitz and Grimaldi that the ATF headquarters was cooperating with the story. It is not against the law to publish a leak from ATF about trace data. It IS a federal crime for ATF personnel to leak trace data to a media outlet. Obviously the political interests of ATF headquarters and the Department of Justice coincided with the Washington Post's agenda in doing the story based on illegally-leaked data.
In the conversation Newell evinces a great deal of knowledge about the story and indicates that ATF headquarters was on the line when he he talked to Horwitz. It would be interesting to me to subject this tape to voice stress analysis and find out where and about what Newell is lying. Where he begins to stammer is a clue.
Newell: I'm sorry that that reporter called you because she called several people and, you know, there's like four or five reporters that worked on this thing including a reporter in Mexico and they went out and they talked to a hundred people (unintelligible) they talked to a ton of people, they went through court records left and right and you're not the only gun dealer that they called and I said, 'listen,' I said, "I can't stop them from calling' and I said, I told another guy, I said, "You're under no obligation to say anything to these people.' I mean, if they want, if they start say 'no comment' and hang up the phone, I mean, you know, you're under no obligation. If you want to make a comment, then, hey, make a comment, knock yourself out. But if you notice in that story it says . . . she talked to me on the phone for about an hour hour which was a three way call to one in our headquarters and I . . . over and over again I said to all these reporters, I said, 'Listen, most of our great information on firearms trafficking comes from cooperative dealers who don't want a bad name associated with then and that's why we work with the NSSF who do all these campaigns' and so I said, "So, yeah, there are bad dealers. . . there's bad everything. We have bad ATF agents who get caught up doing things they shouldn't do and it happens. It's human nature. . .'
Detty: Uh, huh.
Newell: And I said ninety nine percent of our dealers are cooperative people who give us information and really are under no obligation to do so, but we appreciate when they do.' And of course, I don't know . . . there's some of that in there but of course they kinda leave that stuff off to the side because that doesn't . . . that's not juicy, you know?
Newell: But, um, I . . .
Detty: And to be honest with you I'd love for them to know the full story because, um, I'm not a bad guy and I've really gone out of my way to, to help you guys . . . I mean I've brought you some good cases, and as a result there's a whole bunch . . . I think probably right now, not counting anything from Wide Receiver, over twenty people in prison right now that deserve to be there. Um, and I would love for that story to be told, and there's just no good way to do that without putting me at risk. . .
Toward the end of the conversation, Detty gets around to asking about why Wide Receiver hasn't produced any prosecutions:
Detty: "You know, I was just curious with, uh, with Wide Receiver, you know, three years ago, I think, the U.S. Attorney here told me they were planning on arresting something like forty people and its my understanding, I think it was, November 10th or November 9th, they made six arrests here in Tucson.
Detty: But I haven't seen. . . I check the website daily and I haven't seen a press release regarding that. Is there a reason that you're waiting on that or hoping to make more arrests?
Newell: Yeah, there'll be . . . uh, we're waiting. There's some other stuff going on, uh, that's part of that, and so it'll be a wait, it'll be a bit here. Probably another month or so.
Detty: I was just curious because I, well, I mean, all the time and effort and man hours that went into that one case and I think we had at least two or three air surveillances from my house and there was the 48-hour surveillance all the way out to the border and the 50 .38 Supers and (unintelligible) and all that nonsense . . .
Detty: That uh . . .
Detty: That would be a case that you would be able to stand up and hold up the headline and say 'look what we did' . . .
Newell: Right. Exactly. Exactly. And, and we plan on doing that, its just the matter that right now there's another thing going on that, if we did that right now we'd would mess that other deal up, so . . .
Detty: Gotcha. Okay.
"There's another thing going on."
We now know that the other thing was Fast and Furious.
And shortly after this phone conversation -- within hours maybe, within days certainly -- Brian Terry encountered the muzzle end of a Fast and Furious Kalashnikov in Peck Canyon.
Addendum: Just before I put this article up this morning, I received this comment from Mike Detty:
I looked at your draft this morning and it is 100% accurate.
I am convinced that Sari Horwitz was accurate when she said that Bill Newell gave her my name as someone who was cooperating with ATF on Wide Receiver. To my knowledge, at this time, there was no other way she could have found my name in association with this case unless she got it from Newell or another ATF agent. It really didn't surprise me since I was exposed as the CI on every other case I worked for ATF.
I first heard of Fast & Furious back in spring of 2010 - though its code name was not mentioned. A field agent told me, "I have no idea on why they are letting so many guns go to Mexico or what they are hoping to do with the information but it makes your case look like small fry," he said referring to the 450 guns that were allowed to walk over the border in Wide Receiver.
Addendum: Some folks are having technical problems accessing the audio file of the entire conversation posted at David's site. When we get those worked out, I will post a notice here and independently so you will be able to verify the transcript.
Finally, I think it is important to note for the record that I did not get the tape from Mike Detty, nor from his attorney, nor from any of his friends. I would, however, like to take this opportunity to thank the Dogtown Rangers, Wiredog Platoon, Communications Intercept Section, SSGT Ralph Aloysius Bear, commanding. (Ralph is Ramsey's first cousin on his daddy's side.) ;-)
Can we trust those public servants working for US back in the District of Corruption to keep their word on anything they tell US? How can they trust one another knowing they'll each lie, cheat and steal to get what they want when they want it? Is there any social redeeming value in keeping this metastasizing, moronic monstrosity going back there? If they didn't have the printing press bent over the legal bench, profusely plying their prostitutes and players with play money it would have been over a long time ago!
Just to rub salt in the open wounds of the commie,thug,treason Democrt Party.
One other of your leaders is a self proven traitor, fraud and skunk.
Lt. now Democrat Senator John F. Kerry.
You are what you are, live with it.
Pres. Obama is yours to the end.
Well the ATF has always been a rogue agency which committed more crimes than they prosecuted, just add yet one more to the list. Bill Newell lied to congress when he catagoricaly stated that ATF does not "walk guns". He was SAC for both Wide Receiver and F&F so there is no possible doubt that he knew that was a lie.
The odd thing is that he shut down wide Receiver because of the loss of guns and failed cooperation with Mexico, yet just over a year later he was running F&F which ran on a much grander scale with no attempt to track and no cooperation with Mexico at all.
William Hoover became concerned about the loss of so many guns and requested an exit strategy in March 2010. He settled for allowing the operation to continue but "at a reduced pace". So how could ATF control the "pace" of the straw buyer purchases unless they had greater control of the buyers than we have been led to believe.
So who's going to jail for how long? Aren't leaking the infomore and spreadingthe leaked info both crimes? Have either of them even been arrested?
Has Newell lost his security clearances yet? Who"d ever trust him, and why?
Of course, being they're federal offenses, the DOJ would be the prosecution, so that's NOT going to happen, right?
When the MSM started the anti-gun crusade about "Mexican Guns" I was paying attention and did some homework just like a lot of other gun owners/citizens that have an interest in not letting either politicians or the MSM to run wild with half truths and out right false information.
My conclusion, long before the hearings on F&F etc, was (and is) that there IS a conspiracy here that includes the DOJ, White House, House and Senate Democrats (and some Republicans), The Washington Post and NBC News.
Why do I say that? I wrote, emailed, and called the Post and NBC Nightly News to challenge their Mexican Guns conclusion of 90% of guns in Mexico come from FFL's in the US. Their reply - "our researchers have worked closely with the ATF and they confirm these statistics". That from Brian Williams himself.
Great story, Mike.
This audio raises so many questions other than verifying Newell's criminal status, other than the obvious, "Why is William Newell still working for DOJ/ATF?" Did Newell let WR run longer than it should have in order to show his new bosses how to flood the Sinaloas with weps to match the 90% anti-gun story? Why weren't the straw buyers in WR arrested, because they would serve a purpose for Newell in Gunwalker? Why are the numbers of guns in Mexico so low - did WAPO ask about WR and not about Fast and Furious/Gunwalker? Why would anyone trust William Newell on anything he says?
Certainly shows why WAPO's Sari Horowitz would announce Fast and Furious as an ATF botched sting gone awry when it was a DOJ criminal op supplying weps to Sinaloas causing murders - and - why Tracy Schmaler told Sharyl Attkisson that "WAPO is cooperating" with us.
Hee Hee Hee...
Get all the bastards, Mike. Get 'em all.
William "Gunwalker Bill" Newell, Special Agent in Charge of Lesser Dogs is waist deep in criminal misconduct.
For his misdeeds, he will either be extradited to Mexico, commit suicide in Fort Marcy Park or be promoted to a federal judiciary position. ;^)
Whatever eventuates, the Dogtown Rangers will be the first to know.
I'm sorry, Dutchman, but you can los all the torpedos you want to and ain't none of 'em gonna go off, or at least none of 'em are gonna detonate fully. You NEED a national press to play it up and the national press is on board with the administration's explanation 100%
DAMN!!! It's coming. I feel it in my bones! A freaking world-as-we-know-it-ending civil war is coming and they ain't a blessed thing we can do to stop it. All we can do is try to get ready to survive it.
DAMN!!! I truly do hate leftists.
Could Newell actually be a lying sack of s--t?? To anyone and everyone he deals with? Surely there is someone in house that this turd has pissed off enough to help put a noose around his neck where it so surely belongs.
The timeline becomes ever more clear...
First there was "Wide Receiver" - which was a GENUINE attempt to track "walked" guns and see where they went. Tracking mechanisms included GPS transponders and aircraft, but these mechanisms failed for technical and logistical reasons so the operation was called off after ~450 guns.
Then Obama won the election. Desperate to come up with SOME reason to justify further abrogation of rights our Constitution says "... SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED", someone in DOJ/ATF (I'm betting Newell) says "I've got a GREAT IDEA!!" -- and Gunwalker is born.
Over the next year or so, guns are "walked" by the thousands thanks to ATF and collusion with FBI (instant-check system) CBP/ICE, etc.
Meanwhile, everyone from the Obama regime who can get in front of a camera is trumpeting the "90%" lie, preparing the mind-space of the sheeple for the travesty to come, just WAITING for the right horror-story to justify their "emergency" situation.
Next, they work with Horwitz et. al.at Pravda-on-the-Potomac to demonize the dealers - the VERY dealers who have been working for them as CIs in Gunwalker and other initiatives, giving them info not required by law.
OF course, the Dealers IMMEDIATELY see how badly THEY have been betrayed and set up -- for the only way they can defend themselves against these false charges in "the court of public opinion" is to publicly confess the fact that they've been working as "snitches" to the ATF -- which could literally cost them their LIVES at the hands of the cartels!
As ATF expected, most of the dealers just rolled over and took it - not DARING confess and get themselves killed. Besides - they still had to walk a fine line and not piss off the ATF *TOO* badly, as they all know that "hell hath no fury like a woman ATF agent scorned"!! They know that if they piss off the cartels they could end up dead, and piss off the ATF they end up in PRISON!
Some get smart - like Carter's - and lawyer-up, but most of them just roll over and take ANOTHER one from ATF "for the team." As we've seen from the other recordings, the agents which most often worked with the individual dealers had also gone out of their way to ingratiate themselves with said dealers, and reassure them that "this is all part of the plan" - I suspect they were led to believe that the news stories were just "cover" to help hide their complicity/collaboration with ATF from the cartels...
Then Brian Terry catches some bullets, and all hell breaks loose!
The "whistleblower" agents decide to step forward, making sure to CYA as much as possible, using MVB and others as a "cut-out" between them and the media/CONgress until they've received pledges of respect for their CYA plans...
And still - desperate to salvage SOMETHING from this debacle - the Regime continues to trumpet the "90% lie" and - most comical of all - claim that the reason ATF couldn't track all the guns they let walk was because the laws were too weak.
Even better, they claim that they'd have been able to track them if the dealers who were keeping them informed of EVERY suspicious sale were forced by Fed.Gov FIAT to keep them informed of EVERY multiple sale.
And so the circus continues -- only time will tell if CONgress has the testicular-tissue needed to follow this thing through to its final, ugly conclusion...
I'm praying so every day, because if the criminals with badges are allowed to walk away from THIS debacle, then we truly are UNQUESTIONABLY in a "WROL" situation.
God help us -- and GOD SAVE OUR REPUBLIC!
I think Bad Cyborg is right. It sucks and I don't want to see it. However freemen, must stand up and fight if they want to live in freedom.
Now is the time to prepare.
Watch your 6 Mike. If you turn out to a bigger PITA than the Powers That Be will put up with they will find a way to get you.
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