Wednesday, May 11, 2011

I wonder what the truth of this is? 71 to 0 shots versus a two-tours of Iraq Marine veteran? C'mon.

SWAT team fired 71 shots in raid.

The Pima County Regional SWAT team fired 71 shots in seven seconds at a Tucson man they say pointed a gun at officers serving a search warrant at his home.

Jose Guerena, 26, a former Marine who served in Iraq twice, was holding an AR-15 rifle when he was killed, but he never fired a shot, the Sheriff's Department said Monday after initially saying he had fired on officers during last week's raid.

Six days after Guerena was shot, few details about the investigation that brought the SWAT team to the southwest-side home Guerena shared with his wife and their two young sons are known. Guerena's role in the narcotics investigation is unclear and deputies would not comment on what was seized from his home.

Three other homes within a quarter of a mile from Guerena's house, were served search warrants related to the investigation that morning. The addresses and the names of people who live in the other homes have not been made public.

Vanessa Guerena says she heard noise outside their home about 9 a.m. Thursday and woke her husband who had just gone to bed after working a 12-hour shift at the Asarco Mine, she said. There were no sirens or shouts of "police," she said.

Guerena told his wife and son to hide inside a closet and he grabbed the AR-15 rifle, his wife said.


Anonymous said...

Looks like a FUOMP: a fuck-up of major proportions.

I hope the widow sues them blue.

Anonymous said...

Those deputies probably thought the AR-15 was one of the GUNWALKER guns that walked back from Mexico. Best advice when hearing a noise outdoors is to look out the window first and if you see "THE LAW" start praying.

Anonymous said...

More blood, more bodies, no law, no justice.

DC Wright said...

I can't explain it either. I mean how much time did it take them to recover after pissing themselves when they saw his weapon? And he may have been slow himself, being back in the civilian world, then having put in any number of twelve hour days at work. I know how my wife is after HER sixteen and longer days!

But still a Marine should've been the one left standing, I would think! How many SWATSTERS were actually there?

Anonymous said...

Line up those psychopath SWAT bastards and give them "something".

If someone's at my door and claims to be the cops, they'd best give me time to call 911 to confirm. Otherwise they're going to get shot when they break down my door, because I don't know if they're the police or just some ballsy scumbags yelling "police!" And of course, the no-knock variety of warrant is just an excuse for the police to murder someone: if the house belongs to a gun owner, damn right he's going to shoot at whoever kicked down his door.

The homeowner who was murdered probably realized when they kicked in the door that they were SWAT and didn't shoot, but he was pointing a gun at him so they lit him up.

Why don't cops with a search warrant just knock on the door like a civilized person would? I mean, seriously, WTF! Jackbooted thugs, indeed!

Damn, I'd better go buy me some body armor.

pdxr13 said...

read the rest of the newspaper report at the link. Here's the last paragraph:

A computer check on Guerena revealed a couple of traffic tickets and no criminal history.
Guerena was a Tucson native and Flowing Wells High School graduate. He joined the U.S. Marines in 2002. He served two tours in Iraq in 2003 and 2005 as part of the Yuma-based MWSS-173 under direct supervision of Master Sgt. Leo Verdugo.
Verdugo was with Guerena's family Tuesday afternoon. He gave them a Marine Corps jacket and gloves to use at Guerena's burial.
"He was an excellent Marine, with a bright future ahead of him," Verdugo said.
"We had just bought a home and he was working graveyard shifts and overtime just to help pay the bills, we were just starting to make this house our home," Vanessa Guerena said.
"I know I can't have him back but I want justice. I want explanations for what happened," she said.
Contact reporter Fernanda Echavarri at or 573-4224.

It sounds like Jose was set up by a rat (paid confidential informant) who knew his address and name. Someone at work or a neighbor in the complex? No drugs, drug accessories, etc. were found, but the cops on the scene knew that holding an AR-15 in your own living room is sufficient proof of guilt. Got Kevlar?

Yeah, it looks like a good man was cut down in his home by the Only Ones defenders of Pima, then allowed to die without aid on his living room carpet.

If the widow gets 30% of the SWAT unit budget as hush & go-away money, it won't be enough.

Anonymous said...

On the surface it looks like another no-knock raid gone bad. I wouldn't doubt if this turned out to be another case of a wrong address. What a tragedy. That's what happens when law enforcement violates the 4th amendment. Eventually they will run into the wrong person and some LEO's will end up being killed.
That said, what can we learn from this incident when it comes to home defense?

Anonymous said...

SOP for a bunch of overcompensating, jack-booted, type A's who hide behind their shield's. The only thing these SF wannabe's "serve and protect", are their ego's. Professional LEO's do not shoot 71 rounds at 1 person,(armed or not), this is the conduct of gangsta's and thug's.

All I can say is, this had guy had better be Tony Montana, because if this was a case of mistaken identity/wrong house...

Anonymous said...

How long must we live this way??? The war against the American citizen grows on a daily basis. The blatant brutality is unchecked.

Alex Jones and David Codrea have both stated that they receive hundreds of e-mails daily telling of no knock entries, injury and death at the hands of LEO's.

This crap makes my blood boil!!!

Newark, Ohio

Pat H. said...

Just another murder by cops. We all know what needs to be done, but few will do it.

Pvt. Zim said...

If a Marine had lifted his rifle with any intent, the world would be rid of about a dozen pig anuses, aka 'Twat team' cops, and the air we breathe would be a little nicer.
I used to think that the OK would help stop this 'us vs them' thing but it seems the pigs want it... they regularly do everything they can to paint targets on the chest and back of every brother pig in the nation. So if the stuff goes down, most of my associates will not stop to ask for a secret OK handshake; if it wears a uniform it will be assumed to be an armed and dangerous minion of the State and a target of opportunity.
Semper Fi/

ParaPacem said...

I wunder wuz dey hold dey Glocks sideways, yo, cuz dat's how ALL the gangsta bruthas do it, and the swat bruthuz is jest gang bangers in a bad suit.

Anonymous said...

You're all cop-haters! This is an isolated incident. A sad tragedy. Cops have to protect themselves you know! Nothing to see here move along. Please disperse.

/Massad Ayoob

Sigh. My sympathies to the murder victim and his family. She'll probably get a out of court settlement or they'll just claim soverign immunity.

David III said...

Let this be a lesson! Shoot first ask questions later!

fgd-anchorage said...

Sheriff Clarence W. Dupnik

Need I say more?

pdxr13 said...

Defense against SWAT wanna-bes? A stout door and frame that requires much more than a a few 12ga blasts or a strong boot-kick to open/break will buy you the few seconds needed.

A flanking maneuver or rapid backdoor exit, depending on if this is the hill you want to keep/win.

Livingroom fighting position of plywood/sandbags?


sofa said...

When they came for Jose Guerena, we did nothing, because...

Anonymous said...

Another murder by cops that will never be prosecuted...

Anonymous said...

All of you marines out there need to send a friendly letter to your local le and say no more free guerenas... knock first.... no more!!!! God bless his family.

Ernest said...

Where are his fellow marines in this? Hopefully his old buddies are closeted in a back room somewhere with some maps and the idea of taking a little vacation down south.

I think what happened was he recognized they were SWAT and didn't fire, but they didn't show similar self-control. 71 shots ... how many actually hit him? I also suspect they let him bleed out on the floor so there would only be one side of the story. The wife of a dead Iraq war veteran doesn't play in the press as bad as a wounded Iraq War veteran standing up in front of the cameras.

Fucking jack booted thugs. How much more of this are we going to allow?

Anonymous said...

When I first read the story as it broke, my initial reaction was "one less gangbanger in the world."

Then I read the first followup story: "rifle never fired, safety was on." Reaction was "OK, one less dumbass gangbanger in the world."

Then the latest story comes out, that the guy was a honorably discharged Marine Iraq vet with no criminal record (traffic tickets don't count), and that his Marine superior PERSONALLY delivers a fresh uniform for him too be buried in.

If the guy was dirty, the man who commanded him in battle would damn well NOT be delivering a uniform to him!

WTF is going on with the PCSD? Usually they don't screw up like this, but it really sounds like they fucked up by the numbers here.

Dupnik has some 'splainin to do...and the County is likely going to write a big-ass check, too.

fireplaceguy said...

This one just sounds wrong from the get-go, just like the murder of Erik Scott in last year in Las Vegas. The result? Another decorated vet with a clean past falls to the police state he once naively defended. Another family that needs our prayers.

Everyone should be reading on a regular basis. I challenge ANYONE to read a month's worth of those reports and not grieve for what was once America.

Patriotism is a fine thing, until the state is no longer worthy of defense. Then what?

(More on Erik Scott at the for those not familiar with that debacle. I also recommend Are Cops Constitutional? at

Dr.D said...

This the price of "shock and awe"


Anonymous said...

Yep, gross overreaction.

Simply put, MURDER by cop. They even had the audacity to lie about Mr. G firing when in fact he did not. There should be charges, but there probably won't be. Some should lose their jobs, but they'll probably get a promotion or a medal.

What about his wife and kids? What the heck are they going to do now that the breadwinner has been needlessly murdered by cops?

And cops wonder why the population they supposedly serve either doesn't trust them or just plain hates them.

Cops like that deserve whatever justice G_d portions to them. Personally, I have no mercy for such a blatant screw up.

Yet another reason the war on drugs needs to be stopped. It's failed miserably. Time for a real change. How many more times does it take before this country gets it and makes the change?

Bob Katt

Anonymous said...

100 heads?

John Smith said...

This is coming from the same county that wants to secede from the rest of arizona to become get this. Baja Arizona. Guess this is how they handle things in Baja...

Anonymous said...

"Another decorated vet with a clean past falls to the police state he once naively defended."

If they are casually killing their own (e.g., Brian Terry), what chance do the rest of us have?

This has gone on too long now. It is beholden on the unorganized militia to counter this somehow.


Anonymous said...

As his wife said, "I want Justice"

Dedicated_Dad said...

Dear G*D.


Larry-the-Cable-Guy used to do radio "commentaries" - he'd call in on the "hotline" and deliver said commentary after some patter with the host(s)...

He was always obviously tired/worn-out from the night before, and always INFINITELY funnier than the drivel he's done since he got "famous" - but I digress...

He opened every "commentary" with this line:


A question I seem to be asking myself more and more every day -- "WHAT THE HELL IS THIS? RUSSIA??!!"


F***ing PIGS!*


* Peace-Officers ain't pigs. If you don't know the difference, you're probably a pig!

Anonymous said...

The problem is: the media is complicit and the law covers its own ass. No one investigates whether or not this guy actually was involved in a 'drug ring'. If he wasn't selling the drugs.....that's even worse. If someone owns their own's no business of mine or the government's what they put in it. If someone else owns you.....then doesn't make you his slave?

The question is: when are we going to say enough is enough?

The answer is apparently: never.....and frankly.....that frustrates the living sh*t out of me.


Anonymous said...

I call prescience on the part of GeorgeMason1776, as we edge ever closer to "Sipsy Street."

Anonymous said...

All the talk all of the interent how angry people are and how something needs to be done.

So, when is anyone going to stand up and do anything? Or will everyone sit behind their screens and vent their anger and frustration, instead of getting motivated. Either to a rally or a protest, or even a out right riot.


Our founding fathers got up in arms over much less.

Anonymous said...

Nothing will change until the "swat" trolls begin to bleed, big time. It's got to COST them, PERSONALLY - not more taxpayer stolen loot.

Anonymous said...

As a former Marine, I am P.Oed.
Not one shot fired, proves this Marine was not engaging the thugs in police uniforms.
This Old Jarhead will not make the same mistake.
I will load my AR-10 with AP ammo and have it bedside for just such unlawful actions from the facist police forces.

Oldfart said...

Doug, it'll continue until we (that's you, me and a whole lot of other keyboard jockeys) stop punching keys and start punching tickets to hell for those who are getting away with all this. Until we get the guts/balls/courage to do what's needed we will continue to be "outraged" on a regular basis.

Anonymous said...

Since the SWAT boys have changed the "rules of engagement" they no longer deserve a warning when they bust down your door. Shoot first! Try to take as many of them down with you as you can.


Anonymous said...

Massad Ayoob, whose writings and teachings I have followed for 30 years recently wrote of "cop haters" i about how we civilians take such things out of context. I don't know what context to take this in yet, except that someone has some seriou explaining to do. Feel free to share your thoughts with Mas. I do respect him and what he has done for both law-enforcement and civilians over the years.

Anonymous said...

I wonder what the consequence of directly threatening Pima Co. Sheriff's Department Lt. Michael O'Connor and the members of his force who executed this operation would be?

idahobob said...

This IS another Waco!


Shy Wolf said...

"...Best advice when hearing a noise outdoors is to look out the window first and if you see "THE LAW" start praying..."
Right you are, Anony10.35...
"Lord, make my shots fast and accurate. Thank you."
And with the Indiana SC now saying no-warrant intrusions are legal (in that state- which sets a precedence for others to follow) we can certainly look forward to more of these.
Right on, Old Fart- time to put out the lights and make a definite statement to these pigs.
So, yes, Lord- make my shots fast and accurate. Amen.

Reg T said...

I don't know if this will be posted or not, but here goes:

Aleksandr Solshenitsyn wrote of he and other prisoners in the gulag "And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family?" Although I am a former police officer, the frequency with which good citizens are killed by SWAT responses leaves _me_ burning. (Remember Eric Scott?)

These days, with excellent body armor, many of these SWAT types are more difficult to service. Head shots are tough - small, very mobile target, and I suspect on some of these swaggering macho types it would only be a flesh wound. What if all of us decided on a particular response of our own? What if we decided that - faced with death by SWAT team - we would concentrate our .308 or 12ga slug/OO fire upon the reproductive equipment of these individuals?

It would serve at least two purposes: 1) if successful, they would not be able to pass on their defective genetic material to the gene pool. 2) Knowing that it had become customary for FreeFor to target then in this manner, some of them might choose a different occupation, or at least hang up their SWAT doo-rags. Perhaps a few fractured pelvises, emptied femoral arteries, or survivors who had to learn to pee into a bag would encourage them to stop assaulting citizens in their own homes.

There are indeed still some good cops out there. However, they are becoming fewer, and you won't find many on a SWAT team. I can't speak for anyone else, but I am quite likely to take my own advice when it comes to SWAT, whether local or Federal.

Anonymous said...

idahobob makes a good point....this IS another Waco.

Problem is: we'll never hear the facts from the main stream media.