Nor will permutations of that collectivist error, as in "kill all Muzzie kids" and "shoot everything in a burka." Such commenters need to refresh their memories by rereading and internalizing the lessons of the Three Percent Catechism.
Becoming the monster you claim to fight is stupid, self defeating and evil.
Thank you. Well said.
The 3% catechism came into play with me yesterday as I drove along an interstate. The guy in the right lane had a huge bumper sticker reading "Ban assault-type weapons and large capacity Mags"..I really had an urge to run him off the road, but that 3% catechism came to mind and i just drove on my merry way...One question though - does beating the crap out of an idiot fall under the same catechism? Or is it just gunfire?
Right on, Mike!
Stereotyping whole groups is indeed itself a big source of evil in our day, or any day!
Thanks for sticking to first principles. Far too many “patriots” forget principles as soon as their jimmies are rustled.
I agree that we must not become the monster we claim to oppose. Ware, though, especially when foisted upon us, does require monstrous things be done. The enemy is Islam. Never has a war in history been won by genocide's completion. There is a difference between identifying each enemy and destroying each and every one of them. For instance, identifying a 80 year old muslim as an enemy and claiming they must killed on the spot isn't the same thing. MEANS is important to determine. But at the same time, what do you do about that 80 year old inciting that 20 year old? ANd what is to be done when that 80 year old incites a million 20 year olds? Ignore the 80 year old because they are 80 and aren't carrying arms or beheading people themselves?
Islam has declared war and acted upon it. Islam has set the terms and they are complete surrender or die. They have fired the first shot. They are, muslims, the footsoldiers, the army,of the enemy. I hear ya Mike V, that part of the III% doctrine is avoiding becoming what we oppose but please consider this. III% is no more a suicide pact than is our Constitution. There is no seeking the moral hig ground when it comes to Islam, because we had that before it started.
Islam was crafted to be the ultimate "victim" card, transcending all other cards we see in political correctness card games today. Indeed, that card game has been going for eons, since the first man dealt with the first woman.
I caution you Mike V to take great care here. I understand and agree with your sentiment that what we say and how we say it is important. I agree that what we do and how we do it is also. But here is the fact of the matter - Islam is the enemy of freedom, it is subjugation defined. It has to be destroyed wherever it exists and unfortunately that means a large number of people are going to have to be destroyed (because they have zero intention of changing their minds...they are indeed dedicated to the death to forcing you to change yours. Your death or theirs.
We cannot play endless defense, ignoring the growing caliphate. We must go on offense. Many don't care to admit it, but that is why we have engaged Islam militarily in so many different ways spanning the last 30 years. The problem? It was attempted to hide the REAL objective's enemy...Islam itself. Kuwait's border? Hardly. Islam. WMD? Hardly. Islam. Girls in schools? Hardly. Islam.
I urge you to take great care in your dismissal of the anger out here in Citizenland and take care not to fall for political correctness yourself. I applaud you for taking on the hucksters who blame criminals for being criminals because they are black, as if their crimes result from blackness. I fight that fight o brother. Color is the cause. Color doesn't matter. That is not this, Mike V. This is not that. Islam is not a color, it is a idea. They ARE guilty BECAUSE they are muslim. They are the aggressors because they are muslims. Islam itself IS the enemy, the aggressor. Please take care not to bleed these two together. they are not the same thing and they are not the same fight. Applying the same thoughts to them is a mistake, a fatal mistake.
Please do not implode the III% by falling into the "feel sorry for the downtrodden muslim" card. If you do so then I guess III%ers cannot stand up and say what the enemy is and cannot openly say the enemy must be destroyed because it is already actively trying to destroy us, I guess I was wrong to aspire to the III%. I must have misunderstood what it was all about. I thought it was focused on telling the truth....
Ok to say that they should all be rounded up and sent back to where they came from? :-)
Thanks for the stern reminder.
I will continue to maintain -- having read the Quran with my technical writer's eyes after 9/11 in a spirit of intellectual curiosity, and even sympathy -- that Islam is bad code and critical masses of Muslims are dangerous. And that if we continue importing tens of thousands of these people to places like Kuna, Idaho, where a megamosque is being built to accommodate them, that we are saddling ourselves and our children with a threat that will ultimately only be quelled by gunfire.
Excuse me a second while I wipe off the splatter of that before it stains up the place.
Please explain, IF it dresses like a duck, and it walks like a duck, and if it fly's like a duck, and if it swims like a duck, but it really does not want to be classified as a duck to all the other barnyard animals, then who better to claim it is not a duck, if not the duck itself? Where is the quack quack imploring the world to stand with him in condemnation of the ducks barbarianism and crimes, and implores everyone to listen as he pronounces, I am not a damn duck.
There are no Muslim movements to condemn militants, instead there is only silence, there are only blank pages devoid of writings intended to highlight and protect the Religion of Peace, or to show the intellect of their choice of devotion.
A silent duck will continue to viewed by all, just as another duck.
Mike: Among civilized warring factions you don't target innocents, but in the last 48 hours I have seen video of a "burqua" try to knife a guy and have read a couple of different articles about those "kinder" killing people. In this war, and that what it is, you can't tell the players WITH a program. By their own admission, there is significant support statistically within the "moderate" population for the "extremist" that is killing you. Children are taught to kill the infidel as opportunity presents. You are either going to have to kill them or remove and isolate them because once there is enough of them mixed in your population they will be duty bound to try to convert you or kill you.
OK. Don't shoot anyone who looks muslim. Now lets talk about what we are up against. A people religiously devoted to death in service to jihad. Unlike the Russians, who wouldn't start world war three because they didn't want to see their own children burn in nuclear fire, these folks have a death wish and sometimes use their own children as remote control bombs.
I have studied the koran and the sura. I know what's in it.
We are up against a people who are instructed by their 'bible' that lying to an infidel in order to hide their true agenda and gain access to infidel lands is a holy act in pursuit of the islamic caliphate. (I don't properly capitalize the word "islam" or "muslim' because I have little to no respect for those who strap bomb vests to their children and brainwash them into walking into a crowded restaurant and pulling a trigger string.)
Granted there are some who are moderate and non-violent. How do you tell these folks from the ones who want your severed head to use as a soccer ball?
First, you close the borders to any further immigration from any and all muslim areas and countries of the world. No refugees, because we know now that murderers are hidden among them!
You infiltrate their mosques with arabic speaking agents and monitor their mullahs. Any one of them that preaches violent jihad against 'infidels' or even uses the word 'jihad' in any supportive manner, you deport without a hearing or delay before the sun sets on the day of their discovery, confiscating all their papers, weapons and cash. You photograph, fingerprint and DNA sample them and then send them back to the middle east with their cloths on their backs and nothing more than their wive(s) and children. You then put them on the terror watch list.
Muslim men between the age of 16 and 40 should be watched. If they don't assimilate, become AND ACT like Americans, they should be closely monitored for possible deportation.
We need to stop being stupid, allowing those who would kill us, just for the holy honor of jihad, into our country. That includes the ones who would 'honor kill' their own daughters just for becoming 'Americanized'.
There, Mike. How does that measure up to the Three Percent Catechism? I advocate mass deportation over murder.
I suspect there are a good number of us who could not differentiate an Islamist from Pakistan and a Hindu from India. Even so, I get what some are saying here in the comments and I empathize, but we are better than that. Once we go down that path of targeting everyone who holds a certain idea then the same can happen to us. It's already starting to happen to us, for we are lone wolf extremists and homegrown terrorists according to the US government. Do we want to see the US government come after us with the same "kill em all" approach some here are applying to Muslims? I don't. If they come for us then let it be because of something we personally did, not because of something we believe.
This country was founded in part on the idea of religious freedom and we should continue to honor that foundation of our society. It angers us when other countries target Christians for death and we should not become like them by doing the same to Muslims.
Recall what happened when Rome tried to stamp out Christianity by persecuting it. Rather than weaken the faith it became stronger. We certainly don't want that.
Again, I do empathize and think something will have to be done to put a stop to all this madness. Japan has been pretty friendly with us since we nuked them. Maybe it's time the US do the same thing in the middle east?
Dogged Infidels November 14, 2015
Number CDXXXV (435)
When Europe had the faith, it could defeat
The Muslim hordes, but now? – one long retreat.
As the faltering remains of Christendom face today a Muslim invasion organized by the millennial enemies of God, and made possible by the Western nations’ wretched politicians and vile media, it is well to remember how often in times past Christendom was threatened by Muslim invasions, and how Christendom then defended itself, by turning to God. In the summer of 1683, a huge Muslim army of anything from 150 to 300 thousand soldiers besieged Vienna and threatened to engulf Europe from the south-east. The Muslims even envisaged capturing Rome, for the glory of Islam.
With the help of a saintly Capucin, Fr. Marco da Aviano, Pope Innocent XI succeeded in putting together a Christian army from several European nations to relieve Vienna. Here is the prayer of the Capucin just before the battle:—
“O Lord God of Hosts, Behold us prostrate at the feet of your Majesty, to obtain forgiveness for our sins. Well do we know how we have deserved that the infidels take up arms to oppress us, because the iniquities committed by us every day against your goodness have justly provoked your wrath. O great God, from the depth of our hearts we ask you to forgive us; we execrate sin because you abhor it; it pains us that we have often angered your supreme goodness. For love of you we would rather die a thousand times than commit the least act to displease you. Come to our aid, O Lord, with your grace, and let not your servants break the pact which we have made with you alone. Have pity upon us, have pity on your Church, which the fury and strength of the infidels are even now preparing to oppress. Even if it is by our own fault that they have broken in on the serenity of these Christian countries, and even if all the ills coming upon us are none other than the consequence of our own wickedness, still be propitious towards us, O God of all goodness, and despise not the work of your own hands. Remember how, to save us from the slavery of Satan, you shed all of your Precious Blood.
“Will you allow it to be trodden underfoot by these dogs? Can it be that you will permit the precious pearl of the faith, which you sought out with such zeal and rescued with so much suffering, to be thrown to these swine to be trampled on? Forget not, O Lord, that if you allow the infidels to prevail over us, they will blaspheme your holy Name and mock your power, crying out a thousand times, “Where is their God, the God who was powerless to save them from our hands?” Let it not be held against you, O Lord, that you gave way to the fury of the wolves, just when we were calling upon you in our misery and anguish. Great God of battles, come to our aid! If you favour our cause, the armies of the infidels cannot harm us. Scatter these people that have wanted war! For our part, we ask no more than to be at peace with you, with ourselves and with our neighbour . . .”
The prayer continues with the request for the Christian army’s leaders and soldiers to be strengthened with God’s grace, with the spirit and courage of the heroes of the Old Testament, so that they may reduce to nought the enemies of the Christian name, and show forth God’s power. Let God look down on the Christian soldiers’ faith, hope and charity. On His behalf Marco will bless them on their way to battle. Let God hold back the arm of his wrath raised over them, and let His enemies know that there is no other God beside Him. Like Moses, Marco will lift his arms to bless the Christian soldiers. May God grant them victory, and the ruin of His and their enemies, Amen.
How politically incorrect! “Dogs” and “swine” – How racist! Intolerable! But the fact is that God granted to the Christians a sensational victory which threw back the Muslims for 300 years. Now they are back. And this time there is virtually no repentance left to call upon Almighty God . . .
The only "good Muslim" is no Muslim at all. There is no such thing as a moderate Muslim. If they don't want to kill infidels, then they are apostate and practicing Muslims want to kill them, too. See how that works? Islam is NOT a religion. It is a carefully crafted political system of oppression and tyranny. If an individual practices Islam, he is the enemy of all human beings who do not practice Islam. Period. Do not be deceived; Islam is satanic and Allah is actually the devil. So Mike, while I agree that "innocents" should be spared, it's nearly impossible for anybody who truly understands Islam to see any person who practices it's tenets as innocent. Islam is the weapon that has been fashioned against us and those who practice it are our enemies. Period.
Sorry Mike, when it comes to islam I would ask, "where is the outrage by the so called moderates of islam"? Their silence is deafening, they refuse to say anything contrary to what these barbaric assholes are doing. It tells me that if they refuse to condemn then they also are guilty. As pointed out by others it matters not whether these barbarians are men, women, or children, they all are out to kill us and I will train and train others that if confronted by any they must defend themselves. I remind you that the so called religion of peace was rejoicing in the streets at the death of the French citizens.
I agree with the lll% decree and I have always preached that I will not lose my humanity in this thing. It will be hard if we end up battling a ideal like islam.
If we had a sane, just government, the solution would simply be to cease giving Muslims any special legal accommodations and privileges over everyone else.
Since that is not going to happen, the solution is going to be to do your best to institute sane, just government in the wake of the mass breakdown of civilization resulting from the global economic collapse. Then refuse to grant Muslims special legal privileges based on their religion.
Hunting down and killing Muslims is only going to result in a massive increase in taqiyya. That's not conducive to institution of just, sane governance, it's only a way to promote dishonesty and rife criminality. And if you start hunting for "hidden" Muslims...well, there's a reason we stopped hunting witches before even really developing the foundational principles of American government.
For that matter, not all Nazis were bad, eh ?
So, with that in mind, how many of you are planning on inviting into your homes, some of soetoro-obama's forthcoming Syrian refugees (they're all Muslims, no Christians allowed) ?
Yeah....that's what I thought.
Al-Taqiyya....it is practiced on a daily basis by the illegal Indonesian/Kenyan, Barack Hussein soetoro-obama, a Muslim, ebery day from the West Wing and elsewhere.
Interesting to see you placate the Obama/Chicago thinking trite.
Mike, you are almost right here. Almost. But the the stakes are too high for almost, and you'll be dead before it really starts anyway. Sorry, but thats the truth, I don't wish it, but there it is. So you aren't even gonna be around to see the consequences of demanding we operate with one hand tied behind our backs. Why do you think you get to dictate methods when you WON'T EVEN BE THERE, DOING THE BLEEDING? I'm sure the view is nice from that high horse, but those of us who will actually be in the mud and the blood don't appreciate you trying to handicap us before we even start the fireworks. You are a man at the end of his days. Stop deluding yourself that the world you see through that lens is the same as the world everyone else sees. I hope you feel better.
Say, Mike, what about OUR innocents that are being repeatedly targeted, murdered, raped, robbed, and maimed? I guess we should just sit on our hands, or sing kumbaya or something. Allow them to target and destroy OUR innocents, right? But never EVER make a move to do anything about the millions of rat moslems they're breeding and bringing up on a diet of hate and violence. Let's keep that moral high ground, by golly, even if it costs us every thing we have and hold dear, BECAUSE.
is this like the good cop bad cop lie were always told ?
How about comments along the lines of, "The only GOOD Muslim is one that believes in in 'repent or die'; one that believes in jihad"?
Thanks for the reminder, Mike.
I don't subscribe to the "the only good muzzie is a dead muzzie" proposal. However, it is inarguable that the only muzzie you know with absolute certainty has no desire/intent to harm you and yours is a dead one. If a muzzie is breathing then he might be contemplating/planning harm to you and yours.
That said, I repudiate the entire concept of inchoate offenses. Judge a person by their actions, not their beliefs. A person ought not to be deprived of life, liberty or property for what they talk to their buddies about or say they wish would happen. A person should be able to "conspire" to do anything so long as they do not carry out whatever it is that they plot to do. "Talking treason" is NOT committing treason. The Constitution still defines treason thusly "Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort. No person shall be convicted of treason unless on the testimony of two witnesses to the SAME OVERT ACT (emphasis mine BC), or on confession in open court." Please note that it requires an "overt act". Likewise sedition (conduct or speech inciting people to rebel against the authority of a state or monarch) should only be when there is a clear, direct and unequivocal causal link between something spoken or written and some criminal act committed against the state. Thus I have to be against prosecuting/persecuting anyone for espousing any religion, philosophy or cause.
However, anybody who threatens me or mine - by that I mean actually demonstrating the ability to cause death or grievous bodily injury, having the opportunity to do so and being in close enough proximity as to put someone in jeopardy - instantly and irreversibly converts to a target. I don't care how they're dressed or what slogan they recite, they are a target. I have no desire to kill anyone. I have no qualms about doing whatever I determine to be necessary to stop them.
very good point. i don't believe any of us support wholesale genocide. the tenets of islam, on the other hand, do. they are true believers. their one purpose in life is to dominate us, here or in europe or wherever, thru whatever means necessary. i will always remember those christian children that were given the opportunity to renounce their faith and convert to islam, just before their little heads were loped off. maybe the government types that welcome in these muslims, knowing full well they will behave rather badly on a regular basis, would be a better place to focus our ire. the muslims would never make it here in any number without government help.
Failing to see the dangerous rabid dog slobbering in your face, is no excuse to die of the rabies it has because you didn't want to believe it was mauling you...Thats way too late to be dangerously stupid and dissonant to your own survival. Mother Nature doesn't offer apologies, nor should we...
Id think you would be smarter than burying you head in the sand with other multiculturalists...
Sing me, Neal Jensen (even if you personally disagree with me)
You know the fallacy of moral high ground rests on the simple fact that that same high ground is the freshly piled dirt on the grave of those who claim it....
Sign me, Neal Jensen
the terrorists dont give a rat fuck about moral high ground except to make sure your corpse rots in or on it...
Im sure the Founding fathers fought exclusively from moral high ground too....What do think Mike? Oh thats right, history doesn't tell all the details like that does it, but then again they were actually fighting FOR something besides killing royalist scumbags and those who would DENY them FREEDOM....America has become woefully SOFT and undeserving of claiming lineage to the Founding Fathers at all.
Sign Me, Neal Jensen
As a former liberal who has just witnessed too many decapitations of aid workers and journalists, I guess I have one simple question: In a religion based on violence against the unbeliever, how can you claim any of them are innocent? I don't believe it's possible any longer to maintain the myth that Islam is a religion of peace. If you choose to side with the aggressor then you cannot object to being branded an enemy.
The children of course are not to blame but they may have already been poisoned beyond the ability to cure. But as far as I'm concerned, to call yourself Muslim is to declare yourself an enemy combatant and therefore fair game, regardless of any other affiliation, gender, occupation, or nationality.
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