Sunday, May 5, 2013

More on Adam Kokesh and his Armed March on Washington

As I wrote before, I am skeptical until I receive more information on Adam Kokesh's planned armed march on Washington.
Arlington Memorial Bridge, looking from DC to the Virginia side of the Potomac.
Alex Seitz-Wald, Salon's political reporter and no friend of gun rights gives us these details
Libertarian activist and radio host Adam Kokesh is hoping to get 1,000 people to march on Washington on July 4 — armed with loaded rifles. The plan, launched with a Facebook group today, is to gather on the Virginia side of the Potomac, where gun laws are lax, and then march across the bridge with loaded rifles slung over their shoulders into the District, where openly carrying weapons is generally prohibited.
“This will be a non-violent event,” the Facebook group warns, “unless the government chooses to make it violent.” Already, over 200 people have said they’ll attend the march. Here’s the message:
On the morning of July 4, 2013, Independence Day, we will muster at the National Cemetery & at noon we will step off to march across the Memorial Bridge, down Independence Avenue, around the Capitol, the Supreme Court, & the White House, then peacefully return to Virginia across the Memorial Bridge. This is an act of civil disobedience, not a permitted event. We will march with rifles loaded & slung across our backs to put the government on notice that we will not be intimidated & cower in submission to tyranny. We are marching to mark the high water mark of government & to turn the tide. This will be a non-violent event, unless the government chooses to make it violent. Should we meet physical resistance, we will peacefully turn back, having shown that free people are not welcome in Washington, & returning with the resolve that the politicians, bureaucrats, & enforcers of the federal government will not be welcome in the land of the free.
Seitz-Wald continues:
Kokesh is a former Marine who was discharged in 2007 after violating the military’s code against engaging in political activity while in uniform. Kokesh was highly active in the antiwar movement after serving in Iraq, participating in numerous protests and getting arrested on occasion.
He started an anti-government radio show as the Tea Party picked up steam and was eventually picked up by RT, the news channel funded by the Russian government that is often critical of U.S. policy, where he promoted both the Tea Party and Occupy Wall Street in a worldview that some sociologists describe as “fusion paranoia,” a visceral anti-governmentalism that isn’t limited to typical left-right divides.
He ran into trouble when he endorsed Ron Paul in the 2012 election, which led to an FEC complaint and his termination from RT, though employees have told me privately that there were other, darker issues.
Since then, he’s taken his show “Adam vs. The Man” to the Internet, and seems to have become increasingly radicalized. “It’s time to abolish the US federal government,” he tweeted yesterday. Today he tweeted this:
When the government comes to take your guns, you can shoot government agents, or submit to slavery.
— Adam Kokesh (@adamkokesh) May 3, 2013
Whether Kokesh actually goes through with his plan remains to be seen — he says he won’t do it unless 1,000 join him — but the protest may strike a chord with gun fanatics, who stage “open carry” protests across the country to fight gun control laws. There was one in Washington in 2010, but those rallying inside District lines did not actually carry weapons.
Kokesh did not immediately return an email seeking an interview (a message on his website says he’s in Barcelona), but we will update if he does.
"Gun fanatics." Hmmm.
Some observations on "the plan" --
I can imagine that the entire DC local and federal constabulary will be out in force at the end of that bridge to deny the marchers access to Mordor-on-the-Potomac, thus providing the "physical resistance" he promises to turn back in the face of. The bridge belongs to the National Park Service but DC's jurisdiction starts at at the mid-point, so whether the DC cops set up to block the march halfway across rather than on the land side of District is anybody's guess.
On the other hand, they may decide to let the marchers into DC and then use various blocking strategies, first to separate them into manageable segments, then to attempt to arrest them in detail. That has a high probability of going south fast. Certainly though the DC police will not be allowed by their political masters to let the march proceed in defiance of their unconstitutional laws.
The optics of a confrontation on the bridge are compelling to be sure, but it will put a premium on the discipline of the marchers, the wisdom of the leadership and the preparations made to reflect that wisdom and enforce that discipline on the Virginia side -- all in a hastily improvised setting without any sure way to vett out provocateurs and John Brown wannabes looking to get themselves and others massacred.
This puts a premium on planning and leadership, which brings us back to Kokesh.
I am in receipt of several emails from folks who have had run-ins with Kokesh before regarding the man with comments like this:
"Return of Adam Kokesh -- At best an egomaniac attention-whore, but most likely something much worse. Whatever it is, the object is Kokesh ambition and aggrandizement. Does Adam really believe in anything, good or evil, larger than his own personal path to destiny? Who knows? He could easily be a tool of those who might wish to manipulate him as a willing or unknowing sock-puppet. I think we may be dealing with a more severe example of that right now, if you know who I mean, and I’m sure you do. We’re seen that sort before in American history, the filibusterers of the early Nineteenth Century trying to care out their own empires in Central America or the borderlands. They keep bubbling up like farts in a bathtub. There were bunches of them in Eastern Europe after WW I, until one of them succeeded in getting power – actually several of them in different countries."
Several readers referred me to this post: "Adam Kokesh - Fraud - Fake - Code Pink Asshat."
Mr. Kokesh joined the Iraq Veterans Against War (IVAW) in February 2007, at which time he was 25 years old. The IVAW was formed by the Vietnam Veterans Against War (VVAW), the now infamous group formed by John Kerry in 1970, and responsible for the fraudulent maligning of our Vietnam veterans at the Winter Soldier Conference in 1971. It will be recalled that John Kerry now stands exposed as having repeated false accusations from that conference, during his Congressional testimony in 1971. Similar to the VVAW, the IVAW is a virulently anti-military, anti-America group. It holds the view that our country is an imperialistic and expansionistic “One World Order” government, and that our military is but a tool of this government. Further, they believe that our soldiers are little more than marauders and murderers who, in the words of John Kerry, behave “in a fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan”.
Mr. Kokesh was active in the IVAW from 2007 to 2009, at which time he announced his candidacy for Republican Congressman from New Mexico. There are no indications that he has revoked his affiliations with the IVAW. As an active member of the IVAW, Mr. Kokesh was involved in numerous anti-militaryactivities and actions. While executing these actions, Mr. Kokesh knowingly made common cause with a wide array of other well-known, radical anti-America and communist groups. The list of these other groups includes, but is by no means limited to, the following:
SDS, Code Pink, A.N.S.W.E.R. Coalition, United for Justice and Peace, Communist Party of America, Muslim Brotherhood, (and the) Black Panthers.
In cooperation with the above-named groups and the IVAW, Mr. Kokesh: participated in multiple anti-war demonstrations in Washington DC, and other cities throughout the country; organized and incited violent demonstrations at military recruiting stations; participated in an initiative to encourage active duty soldiers to desert their military post; and, organized and participated in a Winter Soldier Conference 2, an effort designed to malign and undercut the morale of our soldiers who were fighting and dying on the battlefield. Even a most cursory search of the Internet will yield a plethora of documents attesting to the veracity of these assertions.
Character Issues
Mr. Kokesh’s personal accomplishments and achievements appear to be limited to his having served in the Marine Corps from 1999 until 2006, and his subsequent work as a political activist with the IVAW from 2007 until 2009. His MC service was basically unremarkable, in terms of citations, medals, and commendations, and it was ultimately marked by a demotion in his discharge rank from Sergeant to Corporal, and a downgrading of his discharge status from honorable to general. Mr. Kokesh’s tenure with the IVAW has been noted above and need not be repeated here.
There are no indications that Mr. Kokesh has ever maintained any private sector employment. Unless otherwise proven, it might be assumed that his ‘work’ with the IVAW was financed through contributions to that organization, finances that often originated in radical leftist organizations such as MoveOn.org.
There are no indications that Mr. Kokesh has achieved any notable academic standing. This fact, coupled with his young age and his otherwise lack of personal accomplishments, leave little that would recommend him for serious consideration for Congress.
There are numbers of incidents in Mr. Kokesh’s personal life that suggest that he employs poor judgment. Examples of this include the following: he smuggled a gun home from Iraq, and then was apprehended when he bought it onto a college campus; he has incited protestors to engage in violent actions against military recruiting stations; and, he incited unrest on a college campus by hanging racist poster around the campus, having signed the posters as being from members of the college’s conservative Republican organization.
Reader Rurik writes:
I’ve had extensive conflict vs Kokesh during 2007, when I was with Gathering of Eagles, defending the Vietnam Wall against him and his comrades. . . Treat Kokesh with the utmost reservation, his wiki entry is full of deception, shading and false claims. He severely truncates his involvement with IVAW, Code Pink, and International ANSWER.
In 2008 I was tasked with infiltrating attending the sol-called “Winter Soldier II hearings” staged by IVAW, in which Adam played a major role. Those “hearings”(which I helped to unmask, were in fact stage-managed by the old VVAW cadres, now renamed VFP; IVAW is/was their sock puppet. The whole proceeding was a classic Stalinist agitprop exercise. If you search at Obitur Dictum, you will find much about Adam there (and maybe even some reporting by me from inside) You may also want to go over to This Ain’t Hell where they have a lot of information on him, including a severe debunking of his claims about his medals and military accomplishments.
Here are some more links about him from . . . Miss Redacted.
Iraq Veterans Attempt 'Winter Soldier' Reenactment - HUMAN EVENTS
BLACKFIVE: Adam Kokesh of IVAW
Meet Iraq veteran Adam Kokesh, the new mouthpiece of the anti-war movement
DPNM: “Who is Adam Kokesh to lecture anyone on corruption?”
Say NO!! to IVAW’s Adam Kokesh, “Republican”?!!!! for Congress?
I see one of your commenters alleges he is a Communist and under Russian control. Perhaps. I think he is dedicated only to Adam Kokesh, and is the sort of anal sphincter what gives Paulbots a bad image. But as such he is also the sort of sphincter who could well be manipulated by someone else (foreign or domestic) smarter than he is. Nothing good will come of this.
It is all to evocative of Ronbo, aka Ronald Gene Barbour.
-Rurik
As I said above, "this puts a premium on planning and leadership." So, who is Adam Kokesh and who does he love? I don't know. It is certain that you could get similar nasty comments about me from folks across the spectrum from the neo-Nazis (who say I am a Mossad agent and an SPLC spy), to SPLC (who said in the 90s I was a neo-Nazi tool), to the LaRouchies (who claim I am an agent of MI-5), to the dead and unlamented cop-killer William Cooper (who claimed I was "John Doe #5"), to the disinformation businessman Alex Jones (who claims I am a government provocateur), to the Three Percent hijackers of ex-con Kerodin and Company (who claim I am all of the above and more).
I'd say that I am inclined to agree with Rurik. Character issues (as delineated above) aside, I don't care what your cause is -- to make alliance with collectivists like SDS, Code Pink, A.N.S.W.E.R. Coalition, United for Justice and Peace, Communist Party of America, Muslim Brotherhood, and the Black Panthers would make anyone a likely candidate for Lenin's "useful idiot" award at the least.
I am still waiting for the international traveler (Seitz-Wald says Kokesh is in Barcelona) to respond with more details. Until then, I'd caution readers to stay away from this likely cluster-coital situation in the making.
LATER: This was just forwarded to me: "An armed march on Washington? Let’s not. Update: Kokesh an anti-war smear merchant?"

38 comments:

Anonymous said...

"Believe none of what you hear and half of what you see."

I'm against foreign occupation of soverign countries and going to war outside the provisions laid out in the constitution. (even then I remain skeptical) Does that make me a card carrying code pink member? Hardly.

I can and will say that nothing good will come of this.

No bans or confiscations have taken place yet and current gun control efforts have been held at bay.
This whole idea reeks of attention-whoring and provacaturism.

I hope he doesn't get the numbers. =\

PHXIIIper

Anonymous said...

Dutchman,
Thank you, I think you have done a masterful job of capturing the essence of my comments and even more, of synthesizing the situation from all the other evidence. But as I read your synthesis, particularly the comment about AK's political foreign tourism, including the newest Spanish trip, one more question occurs to me ... who is paying his bills? And why? Foreign travel is not cheap, and I am under the impression that being a minor radio talker is not as profitable as for the megastars. So who pays? Your guess may be as good as mine.

-Rurik

Anonymous said...

Yep...it didn't feel right yesterday, and from what you've put out here Mike it feels even more not right. I've watched several vids of his confrontations, and overlooking the words his body language is all wrong. This is not the guy I want at the head of my line. They're (Joe and the boys; lettuce head McCain, etc.) up sh!t creek right now looking for an event to use. Don't feed that beast. BTW; why would Salon of all collectivist rags be on this one? Think people.

Arkindole

Anonymous said...

"While executing these actions, Mr. Kokesh knowingly made common cause with a wide array of other well-known, radical anti-America and communist groups. The list of these other groups includes, but is by no means limited to, the following:
SDS, Code Pink, A.N.S.W.E.R. Coalition, United for Justice and Peace, Communist Party of America, Muslim Brotherhood, (and the) Black Panthers."

Resorting to conflation is not an admirable attribute. What commonality could others find amongst your views & actions, by the same criteria?

Anonymous said...

This can only end in violence, If this man forces the issue by poking the leviathan with a loaded rifle, then we get the war we all dread.

Paul W Davis said...

Mike,
Follow the money. Where does Adam get his money to operate from? Who is sponsoring the man?

That will tell most, if not all the story. If it is from communist front groups, then there you have it. His ultimate master is the FSB.

1911A1 said...

Perhaps this little adventure might be more accurately entitled:

"How To Manufacture A False Flag Event"

or

"Getting Well-Meaning Patriots Killed For Fun And Profit"

Anonymous said...

If this guy is for real wouldn't the FB of I picked him up and thrown him in a psych hospital like they did Brandon Raub for making lot less of a fuss on his Facebook?

Occupy and the Tea Party together? Code Pink?

Sounds like we're in Carpenter's The Thing movie for real.

Anonymous said...

Mike,

I am amazed at the reaction to Adam Kokesh’s announcement he will march on Washington. It seems the only thing more relentless than the collectivist and communist agenda is our inability to set aside our squabbles and fight it.

During the 2008 (and subsequent 2012) campaign for president, organizing Ron Paul’s supporters was often referred to as “herding cats”—the metaphor being obvious. It seems that nothing has changed since then.

I wonder how many people we would exclude from our “III percent” if we had to slice our numbers infinitely the way most people are discounting Kokesh. How many would we have left? Two percent? Maybe half a percent?

If every time I had a political discussion, I discounted anyone who watched RT, or any other TV station, I would be hard pressed to find friends. (RT, by the way, is the only media who gave Ron Paul more than 5 minutes coverage. They also regularly feature Max Keiser, Gerald Celente, and other people solidly in the liberty camp. Should I ignore truth, even when spoken by a mule?) I guess I would rather get some of my news from RT than the likes of CNN or FOX – at least Russia is honest about its state-run media.

The next time I’m about to sell some of these soon-to-be-contraband PMAGS, maybe I should refuse to sell if the buyer is wearing an InfoWars T-shirt, since Alex Jones is a “provocateur” conspiracy theorist.

Or I should not accept help from my neighbor during a midnight police raid – because he is a “Jew-loving Zionist” instead of my particular brand of libertarianism.

Along the way, I’ll refuse to support anyone with “III” after their email signature. After all, being connected with the likes of Kerodin makes them guilty by association. Those scheisters!!!

I’ll also only vote Republican, since anyone who is a “capital L” Libertarian is simply unelectable. And they’re probably planted by the state to disrupt our plans to take back the Senate.

Should I not attend your Denver event, because you don’t feel the same way about a given subject? Where does the division end, Mike?

I’ll bet racist sites like StormFront drive a lot of traffic to blogs like yours. And maybe those readers are not on the same philosophical page as you. But maybe they’ll learn something from your articles on history and collectivism, set aside their childish utopian notions, and become fighters on our side. Stranger things have happened.

Simply put, why does everyone have to agree on the same strategy? Do we all have to be little Vanderboeghs to work toward restoring the republic?

Over at WRSA, the blog writer regularly links to your site. He has less erudite content than you, Mike, but still a good read. One of his themes is, “Someone has to be the idiot.” In other words, someone has to stand and shoot at some point, whether that’s now or later. It’s possible that Kokesh is that “idiot.” And I know that there are THOUSANDS of your readers out there who are simply ITCHING to march on DC, rifles slung and loaded. It’s the internet commando wet dream. And honestly, it is something that will have to be done eventually; that is a foregone fact.

And now that someone is actually doing it, we’re all a little jealous.

So why the hell can’t we cut Kokesh some slack?

Sincerely,

John from Michigan

Anonymous said...

DC has jurisdiction over the entire river.

Duane Doutel said...

Not a guy I'd care to be associated with. I wouldn't trust his judgement or fire discipline.

Pointy End Out said...

While I think the concept is great, I smell a rat.
Imagine the coverage if several well meaning or even not-so-well meaning patriots actually particpate in this, a leftist / statist "plant" opens fire on the police...ALL gun owners would be painted with the same broad media brush as killers.
And so the confiscation wars would begin.

Anonymous said...

Adam went to George Washington University, they pump out nothing but
leftist activists to infiltrate politics, bureaucratic institutions,
and NGO's. This is the classic Marxist provocateur waiting to put fire to fuse. He want to have one whack job start a fight.Says he's a Libertarian also running for the House as Republican. He's OCCUPY! Bill Ayers style through and through.

Epunthesis said...

This is what you are advocating, Mike, when you say you are breaking the law by smuggling ammo and magaizines to prohibitive states. This is what you have incited and orchestrated. Your words have consequences. It is nice to know that you are all theory and no action. Let's hope everybody else is just like you too. You are responsible for this type of activity. If this goes through, you'll have blood on your hands.

Anonymous said...

Headline should read, "Moron Adam Kokesh and his Armed March on Washington".

Anonymous said...

John from Michigan

May 5, 2013 at 1:15 PM


Beggars can't be choosy by we are not beggars. If you want to saddle up with a nut case be my guest, I'm not going to.


chevy

MI-copperhead said...

This idiot is looking to be this century's Marinus van der Lubbe. I have better things to do than waste any more time going to Mordor on the Potomac, armed or otherwise. Make the federal fools come to us to start the war, if that is what they really want.

Anonymous said...

i may not agree with adaam kokesh on every thing, not even most things really, however, this march i do agree with, and i will be attending. not just in defense of the secomd amendment, but the whole comstitution. i believe that my children only have a future if we make amstand now. not a stand to entice the feds to violence, but one to show that wemwill not fear their fearmtactics, their indefinite detention, their destruction of unalienable rights. if 1000 people go, and aremarrested or engaged, it will lead to one of two extremes in America. total compliance, or revolution and restoration. its the principle, NOT thenperson. God Bless and Godspeed...

Anonymous said...

Most of you guys who are commenting have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. If you want to know who Adam is go watch his Youtube videos and you will see his is a staunch Libertarian and just as much a III%er as the rest of us (maybe more). I am disappointed with how many people jumped to conclusions and started calling him an agent of the FSB, really?

And also the whole him being a commy and supporting OWS thing is bullshit, he actually went and did dozens of interviews exposing OWS and getting into debates with those idiots.

I support Adam and I hope those guys do the march in a organized and "safe" manner or not do it at all if they can't get the numbers cause we all know that "quantity has a quality of its own".

-TAG Ripper

Anonymous said...

I met AK at a conference once. A conversation developed about which political party liberty activists should participate in. I mentioned that the Democrats were hopeless since they were at their core wealth redistributionists and that no liberty lover could feel comfortable or welcome there. Since AK had run for Congress in the Republican Party, I would have thought he would have agreed. But, he vehemently attacked my position, saying that he thought the worst political sin was drug prohibition, and Republicans were for the chief sinners. He made it pretty clear that this was not just a philosophical commitment to liberty, but that that this was personal because of his love for drug use.

Loren said...

Fort Sumpter?

Anonymous said...

The way I see it, this Kokesh character isn't a plant, a spy, a secret communist, ect., ect., ect.

He's something even worse.

He's a totally clueless moral and intellectual idiot relativist in the mold of Alex Jones. Everything is a conspiracy, everything is given equal weight, and America is evil.

He can have his little stunt, but let me say this here and now, he is not on my side, and I hope the rest of the III% community can see why he isn't on our side.

csun said...

First division, then chaos, resulting in increased security i.e. police state action and voila', democracy hangs itself.


Just as a blacksmith cannot seize the red hot iron in his naked hand, so the proletariat cannot directly seize the power; it has to have an organisation accommodated to this task. The co-ordination of the mass insurrection with the conspiracy, the subordination of the conspiracy to the insurrection, the organisation of the insurrection through the conspiracy, constitutes that complex and responsible department of revolutionary politics which Marx and Engels called “the art of insurrection.” It presupposes a correct general leadership of the masses, a flexible orientation in changing conditions, a thought-out plan of attack, cautiousness in technical preparation, and a daring blow. Leon Trotsky

The Trainer said...

Leaving all speculation on motivation or personal alliances of AK aside, the math on this is what causes me to have a moment of pause in support:

End Result: What ROI is expected from having 1,000 or more men/women be presumably met by D.C. LEO & National Park Service, supported by DHS/SWAT armored vehicles? The stated purpose, 'we will show that free people aren't welcome in DC' is a restatement of an already known fact and therefore nullifies the need to restate what everyone knows.

'Civil Disobedience'? How about the predictable LEO perception of 'armed threat'? Add to that the ever-decreasing practice of 'de-escalation' employed by para-military LEO units.

What would cause LEO to stand down? Not much. The odds are all on their favor. 1,000 or more armed civilians 'marching' on D.C. Talk about a 'wet dream' scenario with the justification of 'officer safety' built in.

What is the probability the LEO task force will allow the 1,000+ people to turn around and peacefully leave? Very low.

What is the probability that one or more 'civilly disobedient' participants panic when not allowed to leave, refuse to be arrested and have their rifles confiscated, and open fire? Only God knows, but I see it as higher than zero.

What is the probability that a 'preemptive strike' by LEO prior to the marchers getting to the bridge by reason of displayed intent? At least as high as any other factors.

AK and those who plan to participate would be wise to take the counsel of a quote in the movie, "Apocalypse Now": "....never get out of the boat....unless you're willing to go all the way."

Going all the way in this case will mean being ready to fight, and if ready for the worst case scenario, AK's people will be wearing more than just a rifle slung on their backs, and that, I believe, is precisely what the LEO's arrayed on or about the bridge will be fervently praying for....

This adds up to a 'lose-win' scenario: The liberty movement loses and the LEO community wins.

Anonymous said...

IF this does happen I think it will be a failure. Most likely the feds will let them march into DC where the Regular U.S. Army will be waiting for them. Spit them up, go after the leaders, then round up the rest. Take them to a FEMA detention camp. Deal with them on a case by case basis. Many spies among them too.
Shooting or no shooting their goose will be cooked any way you look at it.

Anonymous said...

No matter what happens the general population will see Adam Kokesh as the aggressor and not the peaceful victim.


chevy

Freedom First 1775 said...

Since it will only take 20 men from each state to make this thing viable, I expect that something will happen, good or bad, either this specific event or a similar one. And I truly doubt it will end peacefully. So, what's a guy to do? Simply be ready and don't stand alone...

If these folks march in and blood is shed, we will wake up on July 5th to a new America. What she will look like will remain to be determined. As Mike says, determined and skilled minorities will have their say in the days following as things sort themselves out.

I have serious misgivings about this event but this nation survived it's own formation and there were no shortages of young and old firebrands, spewing fire into the events of the colonies, day and night. There were spies, agents, liars and saints. And in the end, for a short time, we had Freedom.

So, to bring this to a personal level, I suppose that a decision we all face is this, "Where will I stand on the day?" Many folks reading this will have already made that choice but your neighbors, family and friends probably haven't come to a solid decision yet. While we have the time, it would be prudent to walk trusted folks through the process of getting to a personal decision and then preparing.

Last point, Pray. Regardless of the events of the coming days, I believe that only the hand of God can steer us to a place of national healing. See 2 Chron 7:14.

God bless the Patriot in the days to come.

Freedom First
5/21 Lightfoot

Paul W. Davis said...

Oh, wait... reason is prevailing and we are winning the argument over the Second Amendment and are viewed as reasonable by a clear majority of Americans....

Time to do something that makes gun owners and advocates of Constitutionalism seem like outrageous fools.... thereby smearing every gun owner and strict constructionist in the process... and causing us to lose support.

Paul X said...

"It [IVAW) holds the view that our country is an imperialistic and expansionistic “One World Order” government, and that our military is but a tool of this government."

Er, is something wrong with that statement?

I wouldn't be too concerned. Adam is what he is, the event (if it comes off) will be what it is, and none of us have any control over them or the government's response. I plan to have some popcorn ready to see what happens.

Anonymous said...

Like it or not, I does not matter who fires first in this situation. If it be so...we will all be standing in the breach on July 5th. And we will have to take the side of the citizens no matter what they did or didn't do. The Anti-Gunners will be frothing and Executive orders will be signed. but you gotta look on the bright side It will be citizens + most LEO's, and the Military
against the BATF, FBI suits, Goofs at the TSA and a smattering of DHS.

Anonymous said...

The jury is out for me, i have listened to his show a times and he says the rigtht things, although some things are crazy too. But he was right on about this comment: " It holds the view that our country is an imperialistic and expansionistic “One World Order” government, and that our military is but a tool of this government."

Doug Rink said...

What happens if Kokesh attracts a crowd like the ones he enticed to the Jefferson Memorial a couple years ago?

Can you imagine these same folks with loaded rifles strapped to their backs?

http://youtu.be/E5nJIx8CA8I

Anonymous said...

Even if someone I trusted completely was running this protest I wouldn't attend or want to see it go forward. Having 1000 men with loaded guns marching on DC would be a situation much too easy to frame the protestors as attackers. It would only take 1 agent provacatour in the group. And even if I knew absolutely there was no such agent infiltrating the group to frame it for violence I STILL wouldn't be there or approve. It would only take one negligent discharge to start a shooting war. A nelgigent discharge from either side, I might add, although we all expect that even if the shooting starts from the gov't side the media will be inclined to say the protesters shot first (or one of the 1000 made a "furtive movement"). No more Ft. Sumpters should also include. No setting up circumstances where a Ft. Sumpter could easily be triggered by dumb luck or a misinterpreted hand movement. Also add, no setting up circumstances where our side could easily be framed for a Ft. Sumpter.

The Dutchman's magazine smuggling is a much better calculated offense. It is a practical benifit, a thumb in the eye of the oppressor, and yet because they are empty magazines instead of loaded guns it doesn't give the Pinkertons any easy "they shot first" or "they made a furtive movement with their... um... empty magazines" circumstances to either over-react to or stage.

Happy D said...

Can we call it the 50 Quisling march or the Benedict Arnold two step?

Anonymous said...

Two things come to mind about that bridge.

1. No cover.

2. The railings flanking those two statues protect you from falling down a 10+ foot drop to a walkway along the banks of the river. The drop from the bridge deck to the water is even more. So that makes egress from the body of the bridge difficult for most folks.

So, in short, someone at either or both ends of the bridge could make life very uncomfotable, exciting, and short for anyone caught on that bridge.

Can you say "kill zone" Boys and Girls? I knew you could!

Unknown said...

I know Kokesh personally. A lot of the slander levied against him is by warhawks (I noticed one of thes guys mentioning GOE, a disgustingly hawkish outfit) who advocate interventionist foreign policy, which he has opposed, as have I and any self respecting libertarian.

He worked with Code Pink in anti war efforts. I worked with the Tea Party on anti Obamacare efforts.

To call him a leftist is to call me a warhawk, both claims are false.

Anonymous said...

This is happening. He already has 2,000+ participants. This is the turning point, whether for the good or for the bad, for this Country.

Anonymous said...

i think maybe he can be thought of as a 3 percenter! while many of us would rather re-draw the line in the sand and move back again and again and re-draw the line. Adam has determined that the line has been crossed and he is going to do what all good AMERICANS are supposed to do. petition government for a redress of applicable issues related to the perceived stripping and dismantling of our Constitution,Bill of rights and destruction of our sovereignty. good? Bad? or indifferent?Adam is being an american patriot! a word people like to throw around when they wear or flag on a shirt or fly a flag on their house. go look up the definition of a patriot and you will realize that not many of us really are a true patriots.