Regardless of what happens with the Holder contempt vote, today will likely be remembered by freedom-loving people as Black Thursday. My response to a reporter a few moments ago: "You may call tyranny a mandate or you may call it a tax, but it still is tyranny and invites the same response."
"Hey, what's the address o' the Supreme Court? I wanna write 'em a nasty letter."
LATER: The other day I did an interview which will appear, I am told, on Monday. Here is a relevant portion of that which deals with the decision today.
Question: You said in an interview with the Washington Post that a handful of Americans “are armed and are capable of making such resistance possible and perhaps even initiating a civil war.” Would you support a civil war over health care law?
"Initiating a civil war" is a misquote. All of my work has been focused on preventing a civil war by making the clueless understand that one is possible. Their Weltanschauungs prevent it. I'm trying to get them to understand that we are in fact two countries now. We share a common language (most of us) and border, but we disagree on the critical question that the Founders answered with defensive violence against King George's violence -- shall the people serve the government of the government serve the people? Does it matter if we agree on traffic laws or the rules by which our kids play soccer if we disagree on something so fundamental? The health care law carries with its meeching platitudinous promises the hard steel fist of government violence at the center. If we refuse to obey, we will be fined. If we refuse to pay the fine, we will in time be jailed. If we refuse to report meekly to jail, we will be sent for by armed men. And if we refuse their violent invitation at the doorsteps of our own homes we will be killed -- unless we kill them first. It is Nancy Pelosi who first plunked the threat of violence on the table like Goering reaching for his revolver. How should principled, free people react to such threats? I am on record as advocating the right of defensive violence against a tyrannical regime. The Founders would agree. If someone on the street threatens to break into my house and steal my property or kill me, and I tell them, "If you do this, you will be killed," am I the violent one? Or is it merely good manners to warn the miscreant of the probable outcome?
I was once asked by a gun prohibitionist my thoughts on his desire for my disarmament. I began to explain as best I could and he cut me off with an impatient, "Give me the short answer." "Okay," I said after pausing briefly, "If you try to take our firearms we will kill you." He left quickly, muttering oaths about my sanity. Yet you will get the same answer from that other half of the country that such people make no attempt to understand, only deride and name-call. Such ignorance can get a whole lot of people killed. That is the point I'm trying to get across. If the Constitution as crafted by the Founders and the rule of law no longer applies, that is, if we now have the law of the jungle, then my half of the country is far better prepared to live and thrive in that jungle others force into than they are. Another formulation: If the rule of law no longer protects us from government tyranny, it no longer protects that tyranny and its acolytes from us. It is a two-way street and I hope desperately that Nancy Pelosi and her ilk understand that before it is too late.
Question: What are your thoughts about how the Supreme Court will rule on health care Thursday? What do you see as the potential implications of its decision?
See above. If the individual mandate is upheld, me and a few million of my friends will not comply and we will make ourselves so obnoxious in our refusal that sooner or later some government agent is going to try to kill us. Because the one thing a tyrant cannot tolerate is the example of someone being unafraid and saying "No." It's a bad example for the rest of the sheep and might encourage noncompliance. When that happens, you have only to read history to predict the outcome. To believe anything else is to whistle past the graveyard of history.
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To say I'm pissed at the moment is an understatement. It is simply unbelievable we have a SCOTUS who believes it is constitutional for government to tax citizens simply because they breathe. With a minimum tax of $695 per person Barak "Not One Dime of Tax Increase" Obama gave us the largest tax increase in American history while yet still having the audacity to insist it's not really a tax at all.
Time to start pillaging! Anybody know how much a U.S. Supreme Court justice's robe is going for on eBay? :-)
Dear Mike, excellent and poetic quote. I guess time is short.
Congress may now mandate whatever it wants by the tax code.
Show X hours of approved community service for the year or pay an extra tax.
Buy "green" products or else pay an extra tax.
Whatcha wanna bet congris gets cold feet on contempt vote?
I've nothing but contempt for all of 'em, supremes too.
III N TN
This government is illegitimate. The people have been betrayed by absolutely everyone. And now by the court that is supposed to represent their interests ultimately, in the founding documents and the freedoms that were bequeathed to us by them.
Anyone who disagrees with you is now your sworn enemy, an enemy of freedom and self determination, an enemy of your constitutional rights.
Remember, THEIR court did this to you because it certainly doesn't in any way represent you, nor the concepts and principles this country was founded upon. The existing system and politicians made this possible and willed it to be so. ALL of them, ALL of them are now your enemies, so declared by their own hand.
DO NOT FORGET THE MEDIA"S ROLL HERE BECAUSE THIS COULD NEVER HAVE HAPPENED WITHOUT THEIR DIRECT ASSISTANCE.
These people fully believe that they can do what they want and that there will be no personal consequences to them, which is why they are doing these things.
Traitors, all of them. It's past time to start using that word because it is the only one that accurately fits. Remember their names and remember their faces.
The litmus test is the constitution and bill of rights and we now find that they have many hidden enemies as well, even within the republican party. Even within the "independent judiciary." I guess we always knew it deep down but now there is no doubt and no hope of help from any quarter but our own.
Also remember that you are being monitored by their servants in everything you attempt to do. Say that to yourself again and again because I assure you, they are there on the other side of your screen and maybe down the road or across the street. It's that kind of world for us now, by us I mean the average citizen.
Their systems and servants aren't there to monitor anyone but you and people like you. Also, without your permission, in direct contravention of the constitution and bill of rights, paid for by you and your children.
I love this country dearly but I owe these fuckers nothing. Thieves and traitors all.
There will be no political solution to this situation so get used to the idea right out of the gate. They just removed those options from the table completely and forever more. The constitution and bill of rights mean absolutely nothing at all, anymore, forever more.
According to them.
I too think this crime just committed against America by the highest court of Injustice in the land will embolden the other enablers to not vote justly in the contempt charges.
Lock n Load. That's all we have left.
"So each man went to his own tent."
"The mandate has been upheld as a tax, with Chief Justice John Roberts, a [GW] Bush appointee, joining the liberal wing of the court to save the law."
Read my lips, if elected as President, I will appoint conservative judges to the Supreme Court.
Do ya miss me yet?
It's time for the Audacity of Rope.
"My eyes have seen The Glory...
And it BELONGS TO We The People"
I wish I knew a 3% General around here in South Dakota that I could follow into battle. God,Family,Country, in that Order.
Those are the things I taught my children to cherrish the most in life. Seems they ONLY have two now.
As I write this it is 1215. I have been away from my house since 0820 CDT and so have only just found out about SCOTUS' despicable ruling. With that to embolden the Left I see no way now to avoid a revolution. Knowing he has a complete lapdog Supreme Court, Dear Leader will doubtless proceed to implement more of his nefarious plans to drag us into a grey socialist distopia.
Now who's willing to bet AGAINST Dear leader come November?
To paraphrase Genesis 11:6 “Behold, the Left are one people, and they have all one language and one anointed Leader, and this is only the beginning of what they will do. And nothing that their Leader propose to do will now be impossible for him."
Them's high falootin words,boy.
..And exactly why I read your posts every day. You have a way of articulating things I'm feeling, but can't always put into words. When I read things like this post, it makes that light bulb click on in my head (however dim that might be).
Do I agree with everything you write? No, but I have to say you're batting in the high 900's.
We have been in a state of WAR since the Arizona decision, the Fact the Janet said they will not enforce the law and Obama has failed to Fulfill his OATH, to faithfully execute the laws of the United States or America.
John Double Oath Roberts.
Live Free or DIE!
This is s brutal loss but it is not decisive.
The Republican's putative nominee for President has promised to dismantle Obamacare.
Numerous states have amended their constitution so as to prevent the implementation of individual medical mandates.
The operational costs of enforcing this law are steep and even if the effort is successful, the law as written will assuredly bankrupt the US Treasury.
Polls reveal widespread dissatisfaction with Obamacare. Consequently, the USSC ruling further delegitimizes the regime.
This is like Gandalf's defeat by the Balrog; loss as prelude to a greater victory.
They should have outlawed the 2nd while they had the chance.
Essentially 5 black-robed thugs helped the Thug-in-Chief, along with his Congressional thug support team, to declare war on Americans.
Fine with me. Though I hoped it would never come, it was inevitable. The greed and narcissism rampant in DC has made it so. Been waitin' for this circus to get on the road a long time now. It's finally here.
"Operation Monkey Wrench" is now in effect.
may god keep each and every one of you fellow patriots and may our republic be restored one day
if mine or any of you happens to have to be the proverbial manure to refresh the tree, guess I'll see you brothers in that great big honky-tonk in the sky
Anyone else know how the penalty/tax/fine works?
Does it come straight out of your check like with Social Security? That's my guess. They'll force you to quit your job rather than pay. We'll see who's willing to put their money where their mouth is if that's the case. I'm fine with not paying AND dropping my health insurance from work....if they were actually going to send me a bill for it....but that's not how it works.
They're going to take it out of your check before you ever see it...and how are you going to protest that one?
Help me out here....
I just... can't believe it. I actually had it in my head that the same SC that ruled in favor of Heller and McDonald would easily vote in favor of the 10th Amendment... I think my anger in this matter is more directed at myself for being a fool and hoping the SC would actually uphold the Constitution.
I am beginning to feel the same fear I had in Iraq when we were headed directly into a very active firefight, combat is inevitable yet despite our fear we fought as one and we fought hard.
I am scared. Yet, more importantly, I am Resolved.
Sean, here is my understanding of it-- The "tax" is being handled by the IRS and will be treated as such. Exact details forthcoming, but imagine your 1040 asking a new question: "Do you have health insurance? If so, please attach the employer issued verification form. Otherwise, add line X to your total tax liability." If you owe the "tax" and have a refund due, then your refund will be reduced accordingly. In that case, there is no way you can choose to not pay the "tax".
If you don't have a refund due and owe the tax then refusing to pay the health care "tax" will essentially be like not paying your income tax. First letters will be sent to you by the IRS, penalties applied, threats made, etc. When armed officers finally come for you the neighbors and media will be told you are a tax evader, so look for them to applaud the agents who knock down your door.
History repeats Itself one again, Then can do anything they want if they disguise it as a TAX..ROTFLMAO
Oh by the way I believe they just outlawed the Whole Bill of Rights, they will just say for the General Welfare and tax it to death.
Talk too much , pay a tax.
Radio pay a tax.
Bullets pay a tax all for the General Welfare.
Yes, Sean that is how they will do it. They'll never do it outright like sending a sheriff after you or a tax collector, whatever. That wouldn't work because many if not most would refuse. Also they would never give us a chance to see the sunrise between their eyeballs.
They'll strong arm people via your paychecks and taxes. Why else do you think they forced as many as possible to be paid by a company paycheck? That payroll deduction will be taken before you have a chance to get your hands on your own money and say "Fuck you, I'm not buying." You can quit but then they'll tax it out of you. If you refuse they'll take your home and property...not outright but on paper like cowards. Then when you refuse to vacate or pay they'll come for you. That won't go to well. But unless there is enough people doing it they'l knock everyone off a little at a time and hand over YOUR property to some piece of welfare shit. And he won't be white either. Just to make that PERFECTLY FUCKING CLEAR.
If you are the company owner and you refuse to take those deductions from your employees they'll just do the same to your business and probably make you look like the bad guy to your employees who might end up out of work. Again...a stunt like that could get real ugly for whoever tries to take you away or take your business IF it is done physically. They'll probably emply some of all that .40 if that happens.
Some are in a position to just quit their jobs, sell their homes and give them all the finger. Money is not all it's cracked up to be. But most have families and so will likely not do it.
I don't think they EVER intended to give us a chance to get at them. We aren't untouchable. But neither are they. Nobody is unreachable. Nobody.
as Rush said, the court has said the govt can now tax any behavior.
a couple of examples from commenters at aceofspades:
couple of interesting comments at aceofspades. 2 opposite behaviors, either of which can be taxed, depending on the whim of those in office.
Don't tax abortions, just tax the failure to carry a fetus to term. You have the right to have an abortion per Roe v. Wade, but Congress has the right to make it very, very expensive if you fail to take the action Congress dictates. Same logic, not that logic matters to dirty commie bastards.
Posted by: Tex at June 28, 2012 02:21 PM (mPm2x)
95 Oh, and ace's comment about abortion made me think of this...
Remember thay in China it isnt illegal to have a second child, you just have to pay a $6000 fine to do it. It's when you can't pay the tax that they kidnap you, abort your 7 month old baby, and rip out your uterus.
Posted by: Lauren at June 28, 2012 12:53 PM (hNLFW)
A possible scenario:
"Americans who do not buy health insurance will not be found guilty of a
crime; but if they are due a tax refund, the government will withhold
money from that refund. In 2014 the penalty will be the greater of $95,
or 1 percent of income, as long as the amount is not greater than the
cost of a basic health insurance plan. In 2016 the penalty increases to
as much as $695 per adult, or up to 2.5 percent of household income." http://www.dcbar.org/for_lawyers/resources/publications/washington_lawyer/january_2011/obamacare.cfm
Anyone else know how the penalty/tax/fine works?--Sean
It is withheld from your income tax refund.
BHO could expand the penalty to include tax leans on your property and garnishing of your wages. This would be done by Executive Order.
If you quit your job or go "off the books" your house would still remain subject to a sheriff's sale.
All your bases are belong to us.
Today I withdrew my consent to be governed. The last few days prove the law and the Constitution behind it means nothing. Roberts may have thought he was being true to the Constitution but I bet he did not give a thought to the Declaration of Independence. Looks like by making the Constitution irrelevant, it makes the Declaration the document that we must now look at for guidance in our affairs.
The question that must be asked of all concerned is how committed are you to the cause of restoring liberty if it can be?
We as a nation have asked generation after generation of our young to put their lives on the line for freedom. And each time they have, and usually for someone elses freedom.
Now we lay witness to chip after chip being taken from the rock of freedom and we sit idily by. Sure we vote, sure we voice our concerns, sure we talk, but it hasnt made much of an impact has it?
They just chip away, emboldened by every good size chip they take away that makes their version of utopia more of a reality.
Some day our children will ask us what the US used to be like. Will you hang your head in shame?
Are we too comfortable, content, or just lazy to say "no more", to put our lives on the line, to put it all out there, everything at stake, realizing that we may never come home... Is it worth it to you?
That is the question.
Blogs are on fire...all kinds of creative comments and analysis. Like how the Tea Party was formed after the Reconciliation nonsense to push this monstrosity forward, I foresee massive civil disobedience and organized tactics to put cogs in the machine. Sorry IRS saps have no clue what they'll be facing. The beast has awoken. Of course the ruling class is trying to get a handle on upcoming unrest and economic collapse with police state edicts, NDAA, drones, etc.
"Clean your rifle." Sage advice that we should all do.
When the crimmigration ruling came down I thought that the Supreme Court Jesters had set us on a course toward civil war just as their predecessors had with the Dred Scott decision.
Today the Quislings on the Supreme Court set us on a course To Civil War.
What ever happens LET US make sure the Imperial Judiciary is held to account for bringing this upon us!
That they do not escape responsibility as the Taney court did.
And that we provide new Guards for our future security against another Imperial Judiciary.
How about you lead?
One soul can change the world. It may be yours.
There might just be something different going on here. The following goes beyond the group think going on in the MSM and addresses the ruling froma different perspective. Maybe "Black Thursday" might be for the Left. It is worth consideration.
Chief Justice Roberts Is A Genius
Posted on June 28, 2012 by I.M. Citizen
Before you look to do harm to Chief Justice Roberts or his family, it’s important that you think carefully about the meaning – the true nature — of his ruling on Obama-care. The Left will shout that they won, that Obama-care was upheld and all the rest. Let them.
It will be a short-lived celebration.
Here’s what really occurred — payback. Yes, payback for Obama’s numerous, ill-advised and childish insults directed toward SCOTUS.
Chief Justice Roberts actually ruled the mandate, relative to the commerce clause, was unconstitutional. That’s how the Democrats got Obama-care going in the first place. This is critical. His ruling means Congress can’t compel American citizens to purchase anything. Ever. The notion is now officially and forever, unconstitutional. As it should be.
Next, he stated that, because Congress doesn’t have the ability to mandate, it must, to fund Obama-care, rely on its power to tax. Therefore, the mechanism that funds Obama-care is a tax. This is also critical. Recall back during the initial Obama-care battles, the Democrats called it a penalty, Republicans called it a tax. Democrats consistently soft sold it as a penalty. It went to vote as a penalty. Obama declared endlessly, that it was not a tax, it was a penalty. But when the Democrats argued in front of the Supreme Court, they said ‘hey, a penalty or a tax, either way’. So, Roberts gave them a tax. It is now the official law of the land — beyond word-play and silly shenanigans. Obama-care is funded by tax dollars. Democrats now must defend a tax increase to justify the Obama-care law.
Finally, he struck down as unconstitutional, the Obama-care idea that the federal government can bully states into complying by yanking their existing medicaid funding. Liberals, through Obama-care, basically said to the states — ‘comply with Obama-care or we will stop existing funding.’ Roberts ruled that is a no-no. If a state takes the money, fine, the Feds can tell the state how to run a program, but if the state refuses money, the federal government can’t penalize the state by yanking other funding. Therefore, a state can decline to participate in Obama-care without penalty. This is obviously a serious problem. Are we going to have 10, 12, 25 states not participating in “national” health-care? Suddenly, it’s not national, is it?
Ultimately, Roberts supported states rights by limiting the federal government’s coercive abilities. He ruled that the government can not force the people to purchase products or services under the commerce clause and he forced liberals to have to come clean and admit that Obama-care is funded by tax increases.
Although he didn’t guarantee Romney a win, he certainly did more than his part and should be applauded.
And he did this without creating a civil war or having bricks thrown through his windshield. Oh, and he’ll be home in time for dinner.
I'm starting to agree in part with "The Trainer's" assessment of Roberts decision.
Below are two rather odd quotes from Chief Justice Roberts on the Supreme Court’s responsibility in handling the health care law.
“We do not consider whether the Act embodies sound policies. That judgment is entrusted to the Nation’s elected leaders.”
“Members of this Court are vested with the authority to interpret the law; we possess neither the expertise nor the prerogative to make policy judgments. Those decisions are entrusted to our Nation’s elected leaders, who can be thrown out of office if the people disagree with them. It is not our job to protect the people from the consequences of their political choices.”
Where "the Trainer" and I part ways is that I think this WILL cause a civil war. Essentially, the law, written as a "penalty" clause had no real teeth and didn't apply any criminal standard. By Justice Roberts making it a "tax".....he makes it a criminal act to refuse to pay (tax evasion).......and now the law has teeth. This is the "consequence" this activist judge has laid at our feet as WE, the people, elected the leaders that ignored the 70+% of us who contacted our elected leaders during the helath care debate to tell them we didn't want this abomination passed.
I'm not sure he was trying to drive a bigger wedge between our countrymen and start a civil war or if he was just setting up a big states rights argument/court case, while trying to help get Romney elected....but I fear the result will be armed conflict.
How hysterically funny to read through the comments here! Real patriots do not overthrow duly elected and sworn governments.
You all miss the fact that the ACA ruling will do far less damage than a couple of other 5-4 votes from SCOTUS.
1) The appointment of George 'Dumbya' Bush as President
2) Citizens United, allowing corporations to simply buy elections
With all your seditious talk, with all of your talk about inciting violence, with all of your talk about 'taking your country back', you prove over and over again that NONE of you are actual patriots, and most of you aren't even worthy of being American citizens. Why not move to Somalia? There is no government there, and he with the most guns wins. You all should be right at home.
Signed, The_Cat from MMfA
Sorry. I don't see this as a win for us or the constitution and bill of rights. You may have forgotten, the other side here doesn't pay any attention to limits that they don't like.
Chief justice Roberts is a traitor, not a hero and I damn his name for it and yours for mouthing his excuses.
This is not just any tax increase it is the largest tax increase in the history of the world. We are now in a post constitutional era. The country is ultimately lawless. If Barry and Withholder will do fast and furious of giving guns to killers, what won't they do? Fixing and election would be childs play.
Remember what these tyrants did in Waco. Remember that a dispersed force is almost impossible to control. The Taliban held off the best military in the world for 10 yrs and now they will win.
Just make sure you are not due a tax refund. Take all the money out of your checks to cover any refund.
I am now wondering how much money Roberts has in a Swiss savings account. I would put nothing past these criminals. If they will do fast and furious what won't they do?
In the last few months it has been announced that healthy men don't need a PSA test and women should only have breast screening every 3 yrs. This is obvious to ration health care as millions come into te system for free stuff. It can't be far behind that suddenly studies will appear on how guns are driving health care costs shy high. Therefore gun control will save lives and cut health care costs. WE are done as a free country.
When we retake POTUS and the Senate we should really take advantage of this brave new world of tax enforcement of actions that are in our best interest. I propose that we reinstate the militia regulations, that every qualified citizen must maintain a working firearm of specified capability, a full combat loadout of ammunition, and suitable gear for militia duty. Failure to do so subject to a $5000 tax penalty. Then we all grab a cold one, pop some corn, and set back to watch their tiny little heads explode.
To bloodyspartan: I would corrct you, sir. We have been in a state of war since the Kelo decision. It has become quite apparent that the "government" has abandoned any belief in the "Rule of Law", favoring outright tyranny. So be it. The "government", by taking such a position, has broken the contract with the People, hence, we are justified, by the Declaration of Independence, and the Constitution, AND our God-given Rights and Responsibilities, to replace this Constitutionally unrecognizable Behemoth. It is, in fact, OUR DUTY. This Battle will be fought amongst us, in full view of our children. Let there be Victory, or Death. There are no other options.
So Says TSgt B
"Clean your rifle." Sage advice that we should all do.
I thought you never put your Miliz Gewehr away for the day if it wasn't clean.
Health care costs can and will be used to control every aspect of the Peons' lives via the public burden rationale, with a "tax" levied for any conduct that allegedly raises costs. Expect to be "taxed" for every pound over what Queen Moochelle thinks you should weigh. Expect to be required to work out at the gym with a "tax" on non-compliance. Expect a Bongocare tax on beer, pop, and anything else the health nazis think is bad. Maybe such intrusion (for our own good of course) is what will be required to piss off We the Peons to the point that massive civil disobedience by the most well-armed civilian populace in the world will be the result.
I don't vote because I think it will change anything at the Systemic level. I do it so I can shoot in good conscience when it comes to that.
Tsb you might be right but then They have passed Unconstitutional Crap from the Supremes for years.
Now the Executive Branch Openly laughs.
Which rifle to clean.
Remember when they come for your neighbor they will have their backs to you.
I agree 100% with almost all of you, I have my own little point to toss out there for your preview!
Socialism FAILS, everywhere it has ever been tried, we all know that, right? So, why, rather than convert us to red flag waving socialists, actually socialism is the beginning of communism, but....instead of us becomeng them, and failing, why is it so difficult for them to embrace democratic republicanism, capitalism, instead? That's always bothered me, for me it means that MOST of the world would rather be led, force fed, nuetered, and followers, than be shining examples to the world, which leads to me to believe most folks are simplt too weak and wussinfied to secure and defend their own freedoms and accept the life of the salve rather than the high demands of freedom and liberty!
How sad is that?
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