Tuesday, February 28, 2012

Trying to save lives and souls, one unthinking collectivist at a time.

Jenna wants to ban handguns and sneers "You lose, Gun Jockey!" My reply:
-----Original Message-----
From: georgemason1776
To: jennakarene
Sent: Tue, Feb 28, 2012 6:09 am
Subject: Regarding your apparently serious proposal for another civil war. We accept, as long as you understand where this is going.
"Tyrants have no problem dealing with people who are willing to die for their principles. They will happily kill them to achieve their goals. Where they fail is with the people who are not only willing to die for their principles but are willing to kill tyrants in righteous self defense of those principles, and their property, liberty and lives." -- Mike Vanderboegh
My dear Ms. Karvunidis,
Having read your column, "Ohio school shooting: Time to ban handguns, guys," I have two questions:
First, how do you propose to do that without initiating a bloody second American civil war?
Second, how much is such a tyranny worth to you, personally?
The answer to the first question is that you can't. Oh, you may be extrapolating from your own social isolation, cultural ignorance and moral cowardice to believe that just because the big bad government, state or federal, tells you to do something at the point of a government gun that YOU would certainly do it -- so consequently we will. You may even be so poorly educated as to believe that "democracy" -- unfettered majority rule -- trumps constitutional republicanism just because your side wins a vote. Whatever the cause of your ill-thought proposal, the result would be a ghastly civil war, for if you wish to get my handguns -- or any firearms -- you will have to kill me to get them. In addition, you will have to kill my brother, you will have to kill my son and daughters, you will have to kill all my friends. And if just three percent of American gun owners feel the way I do, you will have to kill upwards of 3 million people. And, not to be ugly, but we will not go gently into your collectivist good night peaceably and will take as many freedom-stealing sonsabitches your proposal sends our way, and we intend to make that more than a one-to-one ratio. So, where are we at now, mathematically, with your proposal? Stacks of bodies in the tens of millions certainly. It seems an odd way to prevent school shootings and promote "public safety."
I had to laugh, as well, at your Borg-like characterization, also apparently from absolute ignorance, that "Resistance is Futile!":
Well guess what? Now the government has nukes, automatic weapons and sniper rifles. If it just came down to a battle of arms between you and the government, you are not going to win that one. It would be like playing road chicken with a tank. You lose, Gun Jockey! If you really want things to be fair, why don't you lobby for the right to a nuke. That will totally happen.
Please, Jenna, really, you don't know much about the military, do you? Nor military history, obviously. Who do you think makes up the military these days? The sons and daughters of gun control advocates? The draft is long gone, and you wouldn't find a "progressive's" son caught dead within a kilometer of a recruiting station. Why it is OUR children who still believe in the old verities enough to sacrifice themselves to protect this country. It is our children who, if your tyrannical order is given by your Man-Child God-King Barry Soetero, will be in the command posts, tactical operations centers and in the barracks of the tip-of-the-spear combat formations. All of them took an oath to defend the Constitution against "ALL enemies, foreign and domestic." It was not a personal "Fuhrer oath" to Barrack Hussein Obama. Which way, when your order is given, do you suppose they will point those sophisticated and powerful weapons in the event of civil war over firearms liberty -- something codified in that Constitution they swore to uphold?
And as for the efficacy of determined guerrillas versus a powerful, sophisticated military, the history of such conflicts across the centuries suggests that putting your money on the guerrillas is a safer bet. A tank is of limited utility against nimble guerrillas using Fourth Generation Warfare techniques targeted against the politicians who command them. A nuke? Come, Jenna, think it through. Of what use is a nuke when your proposal would require it to be used on your own soil, against your own people? The political blowback of the use of nukes on American soil, even among other ignoramuses who would support your proposal, would instead blow Barry right out of the White House and bring down the entire Federal Leviathan nanny-state tyranny. Of course, they don't even teach the important lessons of the American Revolution in public schools anymore (and I'm assuming you went to government schools, for no private school or home school product would be so abysmally ignorant of her own history) so perhaps it is not your fault. But now that I have explained to you the facts of life and liberty I'm sure you'll see the folly of your proposal.
Okay, how about Question Two?
How much is such a tyranny worth to you, personally?
In 1999, your previous man-child president Bill Clinton was upset at the Serbs. They were killing their ex-countrymen, the Muslim Kosovars and Bosnians, and wouldn't listen to reason. Exasperated, Clinton decided that the NATO bombing campaign would be expanded -- changing the rules of engagement by which our military operates -- to include the politicians who crafted the policies and (pay particular attention here, Jenna) the media and intellectuals who publicly supported the Serbian cause. To this end, Clinton ordered precision guided munitions sent in the middle of the night into the homes of such people, as well as the headquarters of Serbian radio and television.
It is, then, no small kindness I do you by pointing out that -- assuming you get your way -- if the previously law-abiding (but well-armed) folks whom your proposal makes criminals and guerrillas in their own country overnight decide to adopt Bill Clinton's Serbian Rules, you might want to relocate to Canada as a precaution.
Of course, all of this seems like calculated insanity to you, just as your proposal seems to us. Well, there are a lot of us who have been paying particular attention to the way the federal government really works ever since Waco in 1993. We don't live in your bubble. Waco taught us we couldn't afford to.
So, if you now concede that your proposal was unthinking, stupid and doomed to fail because of its unintended consequences and not worth the likely body count and agony to the country, I will consider this a letter well written and time well spent.
If on the other hand, you still deny inconvenient reality and stubbornly cling to your proposal, well, all I can say is, if you get your way and the government tries to enforce it, you'll find plenty of people who will take you up on it.
May God help us all.
Mike Vanderboegh
PO Box 926
Pinson, AL 35126


Sean said...

Totally? Never heard "gun jockey" before. I lose? Because she says so? And why are all the people who DIDN'T COMMIT THE CRIME TO BLAME FOR IT? Critical thinking is not taught anywhere in schools, obviously. But if'n she wants the guns banned, well, come and get them, baby.

Anonymous said...

This dipshit actually believes that this government which refuses to use nukes on our real enemies would use them on it's own people! Perfect liberal thinking.

STS2_Iver said...

Well done.

Anonymous said...

She lives in Chicago. You're wasting your breath, and your time.

Anonymous said...

mike i could not agree more with you brother
john cinque III%

Anonymous said...

"You do realize the right to bear arms was originally written so the common man could defend himself against the government's attempts to seize his house, right? Well guess what? Now the government has nukes, automatic weapons and sniper rifles."

So does this mean the government will seize our house after they succeed in taking away our guns?!

Yikes! This chick is dumb, even by the "useful idiot" metric. I sure hope she will be the one leading the shock troops that are to be sent out in the confiscation attempt.


JTwig said...

Well written, and thought-out. Of course the chance of changing her mind, as I’m sure you knew before you even wrote the letter, is zero. In fact I bet she took the second part as personal threat, and passed it onto the authorities, instead of a friendly pointing out of reality.

Anonymous said...

The woman is clearly a vaporbrain.

Frederick Thompson said...

Good answer, Mike.

It is interesting to note that not a lot of these random shootings occur in places where it is known or it is assumed that there are armed citizens. In Florida, for example, not very many car jackings, as even the dumb ass criminal realizes that a large percentage of vehicles (est 20 to 30%) have gun in them, so they have a 1 in 5 chance of getting dead. Schools are another issue as they are "gun free zones" so a person seeking to do harm with a gun would have a better chance of doing so in a "gun free zone".

I like your whole line of reasoning. The all volunteer military has all but gauranteed that Tyrant Barry will get few, if any of those Constition Defenders to fire on Americans.

Lastly, I like the point about three million armed Americans. As most gun owners own more than one gun and one round, a 3 to 5 kill ration for the other side is reasonable, leaving 9 to 15 of Barry's hand puppets DOA. Who would these people be? Cops? I don't think most cops would fire on citizens either.

Wgo does he plan to use, the OWS crowd? They'll follow him into battle, until they relalize that we are using real ammo.

Anonymous said...


Oh, boy, this broad is something else.
Google is your friend..........

We the people... said...

We'll be lucky if we get 50% of the military to take our side. I'm a veteran and currently working as a military contractor and I'm here to tell you, 50% at best.

Anonymous said...

When the idiots and tyrants demand you surrender your weapons, remind them of good King Leonidas response to the Persian god-king Xerxes – MOLON LABE! (Pronounced Mo'lon La’ve) COME AND TAKE THEM!

Considering the story of the 300 of Sparta, the 3 million of America may even survive the encounter to enjoy the fruit of Liberty.
Dearly bought and paid for, but worth it! Does anyone out there see the irony of the Spartan tale in light of today’s news of the Iranian problem and our own government, but most importantly with our troops who will be forced to engage the ‘Persians’ in coming days?
One of the 3 Million MJM

Toaster 802 said...

I left this comment for her.

"If you want to talk about a county where the citizens cower in fear, just look around. The vast majority of Americans don't protest and we just accept mediocrity out of fear. Your rights slip away every day. You are taxed for everything yet receive no government healthcare, you're spied on without your knowledge and most of us are one paycheck away from poverty in this struggling economy while other people sit on millions and pay nothing in tax."--Jenna

Your right here. Now realize that all of what you are complaining of is done to you at the point of a gun. Held by a government that no longer operates in your best interest, and is rapidly losing what it needs to be legitimate; The consent of the governed.

Clutching a politician, especially of the Chicgo way school, has done nothing but increase the tyranny you seem to realize exists. Cluching a firearm is the CONSTITUTIONAL remedy to the failure of the political system to work for We the People.

Unless you prefer the collectivist preferred tactic of begging for your life on your knees at the edge of a mass grave. That has been tried at least 150 million times around the world since 1917. However, it does not seem to work very well.

Me? I will cling to my guns and my Bible. The chances of survival seem much better...

"Learning is not virtue, but the means to bring us to an acquaintance with it. Integrity without knowledge is weak and useless, and knowledge without integrity is dangerous and dreadful. Let these be your motives to action through life, the relief of the distressed, the detection of frauds, the defeat of oppression, and the diffusion of happiness.”

--Brigadier General Nathanael Greene

Anonymous said...

Jenna...now put down the word processor, and step away, slowly - before someone gets hurt.

We simply MUST have mandatory training and expensive licensing and permits, before allowing you anywhere a machine capable of hundreds of words per minute.

Too bad about that pesky first amendment, anyway.


Mt Top Patriot said...

Darn Man! Your on fire Mr. Mike.
Well said, Bravo!
Wish I had your intellect and wit to give useless dupes like this the what for in your succinct vernacular.

Somehow reminds me of what TL Davis wrote recently concerning the advocacy of imposition of tyranny under the guise of progressive bullshit:

"...It is not ours to restore the power of the Constitution. It is ours to show them the wrath of America without the protections the Constitution offers them.

Let them restore it to find refuge from us."

– TL Davis

Longbow said...

Ha! Jenna got spanked in the comments...

Mt Top Patriot said...

My dear Ms. Karvunidis,

You talk about these things because you do not understand something inherent in what you propose. To folks like me, Them are fighting causes let me tell you.
I'd have to be brain dead living on the dark side of the moon not to see it for what it is.
While the truth is being spoken here, I ain't the only fed up pissed off serf in this land who is sick and fucking tired of having to pay for the privilege of being screwed over royally by progressive mouthpieces such as yourself along with your high and mighty sons of a bitch pals in treason, along with the useful lazy assed dupes people like you have socially engineered into an entire generation, and then to have My Liberty shoved up my ass under threat that I'm classified as a terrorist if I don't keep my mouth shut by the same people who are legally and morally bound to be protecting my Liberty to begin with!?

In your infinite wisdom of all things Liberty my dear Ms. Karvunidis, please tell me what is wrong with this picture?

What part of sovereignty of the people, shall not be infringed, and God given unalienable rights can you not understand?

You opened that pie hole on your face, you now owe an answer for your expressed advocacy of imposition of your tyranny upon me.

And by the way, I do not need, nor want, your cheesy immature world view "advice" on how to exercise my 2nd Amendment Liberty. You missed the point entirely, You lose, Tyranny Jockey!
Its not the weapons you fight with, its what you fight for.
But if you weren't one of Marxisms useful dupes, you would understand.
I guess that says it all.

Careful what you wish for.

jon said...

"It is interesting to hear certain kinds of people insist that the citizen cannot fight the government. This would have been news to the men of Lexington and Concord, as well as the Mujahedeen in Afghanistan. The citizen most certainly can fight the government, and usually wins when he tries. Organized national armies are useful primarily for fighting against other organized national armies. When they try to fight against the people, they find themselves at a very serious disadvantage. If you will just look around at the state of the world today, you will see that the guerillero has the upper hand. Irregulars usually defeat regulars, providing they have the will. Such fighting is horrible to contemplate, but will continue to dominate brute strength." Jeff Cooper.

"Anyone who claims that popular struggles are doomed to defeat by modern military technology must find it literally incredible that France and the United States suffered defeat in Vietnam; that the Shah no longer rules Iran; Somosa in Nicaragua; that Portugal was expelled from Angola and Mozambique; England from Palestine and Ireland; and France from Algeria." Allan Goetlieb.

Anonymous said...

Googled "Jenna Karvunidis." Interesting results.


Anonymous said...

Nice job. Good luck today - we are praying for you.

Kurt '45superman' Hofmann said...

Well, ,one thing can be said in her favor--at least she's consistently a collectivist, nanny-statist airhead. She also wants to ban homemade school lunches, at least in schools serving poorer communities.

Anonymous said...

Any idiot who wishes for a civil war (and thats nobody here, the point of Sipsey is prevention) is a monster.

Considering a lot of patriots might well be happy to shack up in the cities the idiot and her cronies live in, wishing for a nuke, something even the Soviets and Chinese would never do BTW is amazingly stupid. Hello lady, you live at GROUND ZERO !

As far as what "We the people" suggested, its not a numbers game exactly. If 50% of the actual fighting force is made of patriots, the tyrants lose. Much of the military is support and much little better trained than typical militia.

While I hope no wars will happen (pray for it too) also note, its not going to be a sustained campaign. Its "get rid of the bad guys "ASAP" and be done with it

Any longer than that will turn ugly and desperate when Social Security, Medicare, Food Stamps and than pretty much all supplies to the cities end,

Thats a lights out play and risks an all out genocidal Civil War and millions dead, not just from militia vs tyrant action but from starvation, thirst and disease.

Anonymous said...

if they nuke my house, then what? Won't my liberal neighbors be kind of angry about that?

She obviously hasn't been to or heard of knob creek.

Further research into her "journalism" reveals a trail of straw sales, deleted blogs, frivolous claims and idiocy.

Ain't worth the time, bigger fish to fry.

rdf67 said...

I can imagine what Jenna thought when innocent women and children perished in a fire started in a 45 mph wind in Waco as the FBI on television exclaimed, "Oh no - they are setting themselves on fire!" Not an ounce of sorrow, sympathy, not a single prayer from her lips as she thought, "They got what they asked for." Really, Jenna?

johnnyreb said...

Time to ban handguns, huh?

Because it worked so well with alcohol and drugs?

John Smith. said...

Looks like she had to close up the comments... Too many people not coming to her rescue....

Happy D said...

Ever notice how quick the victim disarmament crowd is to threaten us with heavy weapons and weapons of mass destruction?

Anonymous said...

Maybe Ms. Clueless should examine the links between drugs such as Prozac and Ritalin with school shootings. From what I've read about the Ohio shooting, the kid was flunking out , and all of a sudden became a straight A student. I'd bet real money we was pumped full of this crap. Virtually every kid who's done something like this was on a prescription mind-altering drug. She should look at the cause, not the tool used.