Saturday, August 18, 2012

Major General Jerry Curry: "Who Does The Government Intend To Shoot?"

"Those against whom the hollow point bullets are to be used — those causing the civil unrest — must be American citizens; since the SSA has never been used overseas to help foreign countries maintain control of their citizens."
In the war in Iraq, our military forces expended approximately 70 million rounds per year. In March DHS ordered 750 million rounds of hollow point ammunition. It then turned around and ordered an additional 750 million rounds of miscellaneous bullets including some that are capable of penetrating walls. This is enough ammunition to empty five rounds into the body of every living American citizen. Is this something we and the Congress should be concerned about? What’s the plan that requires so many dead Americans, even during times of civil unrest? Has Congress and the Administration vetted the plan in public.
I fear that Congress won’t take these ammunition purchases seriously until they are all led from Capitol Hill in handcuffs. Why buy all this ammunition unless you plan to use it. Unknown to Congress, Does DHS plan to declare war on some country? Shouldn’t Congress hold hearings on why the Administration is stockpiling this ammunition all across the nation? How will it be used; what are the Administration’s plans?
Obama is a deadly serious, persistent man. Once he focuses on an object, he pursues it to the end. What is his focus here? All of these rounds of ammunition can only be used to kill American citizens, though there is enough ammunition being ordered to kill, in addition to every American citizen, also every Iranian, Syrian or Mexican. There is simply too much of it. And this much ammunition can’t be just for training, there aren’t that many weapons and “shooters” in the U.S. to fire it. Perhaps it is to be used to arm illegal immigrants?
We have enough military forces to maintain law and order in the U.S. even during times of civil unrest.
We have local police, backed up by each state’s National Guard, backed up by the Department of Defense. So in addition to all these forces why does DHS need its own private army? Why do the SSA, NOAA and other government agencies need to create their own civilian security forces armed with hollow nose bullets?
Were I the JCS, and if I wasn’t already fully briefed on this matter, I’d stop the purchase of hollow point bullets, ask the secretary of Defense why all this ammunition is being purchased and spread around the country? If I got answers like the ones Congress got during the investigation of Operation Fast and Furious – I’d start tracking all ammunition deliveries nationwide to find out what organizations and units are using them, for what purpose and, if it is not constitutional, prepare to counteract whatever it is that they are doing.
This is a deadly serious business. I hope I’m wrong, but something smells rotten. And If the Congress isn’t going to do its duty and investigate this matter fully, the military will have to protect the Constitution, the nation, and our citizens.
With more than a little help from the unorganized militias, Jerry.


CowboyDan said...

Good auestion, General. You won't get honest answers, I promise you.

Anonymous said...

Gun owners are treated as the crazy
people and then you see this from our great American government.
Who the f**k is crazy now?

John Otis Comeau said...

wow! what courage. I've been waiting, hoping, and if I were a praying man would have been praying for, some high-ranking officer in the military to step up to the plate.

I'm going to share this far and wide. thanks Mike.

SWIFT said...

Fortunately, this story has grown legs. Not that the MSM is carrying a lot about it, but the internet is on fire about it. It is no longer a conspiracy theory that the ammo is to be used on American citizens. The only theory left, is speculation on how many of us will return fire. Many people aren't even aware that they have a legal right to resist excessive force. But, I always hold it is damn hard to seek legal redress with a chest full of hollow points. Better to shoot back while you have a means to resist.

CCK said...

The quantity is so large I would be inclined to think one of the purposes is to supplant the production of consumer bullets.

You know in the same vein as supporters of o getting health care wavers for their businesses.

If the ammo producers know they will still be busy and selling product do they care whom too?

David Forward said...

"Who Does The Government Intend To Shoot?"

Simple answer -- anyone who does not kneel in reverence to the corrupt tyrannical self anointed governing elites...all of us who remember what individual liberty was and seek to restore it.

Pericles said...

One of the numbers makes no sense. The Army had to go through at least 700 million rounds a year in the war zone, not 70 million. If you take the numbers of annual qualification as 40 rounds, 18 rounds to battlesaight zero and a couple of practice fire iterations, each soldier would fire some 130 rounds per year, and say 500,000 of the troops are assigned a M16/M4 series weapon, you have 65 million rounds per year just for marksmanship traiing.

Anonymous said...

If people like this man are starting to question this insanity , there may be a chance to avoid the " Hell on Earth " these lunatic's are striving for. Who will they be buying the next half billion round's for ?, The mailman ?, The dog catcher ?. Think about it a moment, all this over the last several year's. NDAA ! " Executive order's !" all the other illegal/unconstitutional B.S. they have declared to be " Law". What is their real agenda ?. Who are they really working for ?.Why would they feel they must threaten their own countrymen ?.

TL671 said...

And of course the Geneva caccords forbids the use of hollow point bullets in warfare. So, this ammo can only be intended for domestic use, where the government doesn't give a crap about the Geneva convention.

Anonymous said...

I believe that perhaps they are contemplating a radical anti gun initiative that will force the manufacturers out of business or severely hamstring their operation, and in order to preclude the necessary shortage THEY are planning on creating, they are stocking up for the next 10 years or so.
Could be wrong, but I agree, "by the pricking of my thumbs, something wicked this way comes!"

Anonymous said...


a few thoughts come to mind: it drys up domestic supply for shooters and preppers, and causes ammo costs to increase. Conversely, it's decentralized -- they've moved it closer to us when we need it. :)


Anonymous said...

As the old saying goes, follow the money. Perhaps the simplest answer is the correct one: SOMEBODY is profiting handsomely over this large of purchase.
The General is correct - answers need to be forthcoming as to who specifically authorized this purchase, why they authorized it and what the intended use is. Could be something as simple as some of barry's buddies getting extra coins out of it. Or maybe it is an overt attempt to corner the market and drive up the price so us peons can't afford ammo anymore.
We don't know at this point but it sure needs to be investigated.

Anonymous said...

No government agency uses "hollow points" for training. They're too expensive compared to ball.

Anonymous said...

The answers to his questions is very simple. Janet Nepolitano is a power hungry psychopath, like most of our Federal Cartel Executive branch, and Eric Holder/Obama are leading them.
While our putrid, do nothing for the 'merican people Congress, passes law like the NDAA that enables them. Folks, the time is coming. And you know what I'm talking about.

Anonymous said...

I saw a statistic a couple of years ago that the army expended 70K rounds for every dead enemy. Seems like a high number until you consider that there was probably a lot of spray and pray.

Anyway, 1.5 Billion rounds divided by 70K works out to about 21 thousand dead. If they think that will act like a bucket of water on a campfire they are wrong. It will be more like a bucket of gasoline on a campfire!

Anonymous said...

We should all be concerned with those ammunition orders. I believe that the high ups know that something is going to happen.
Now, like every professional organization they are preparing for those events. Why else would this be happening?
For those on the fence, and for the naysayers that can cauculate that this ammunition is to be used for "training" please re-examine your thought processes.
Our country at this time is a tinderbox. There are divisions here that havent been seen for a very long time. Our economy is in shambles and it will only get worse. Combine this with all the other bad news, drought, talk of war, energy prices, ect.
Really evaluate things. Rely on the facts.
After that, put yourself in the shoes of those people in charge. Ask yourself what you would do if you were them.
I would do exactly what they are doing. Because it would be all I could do.

Pirate Morgan said...

can I copy this post and post in on my blog?

Anonymous said...

In the recent past, Obama said he wanted to build a civilian force as strong as the military. Does the DHS qaulify?

Anonymous said...

I have my share of ammo and enough friends close by to give any threat to the US Constitution a run for their money. This article does ask the right question but in my opinion the Americans will no go without a fight.

John Otis Comeau said...

finally following the link to the original article, he's retired military. still hoping to hear this sentiment from active-duty top brass.

Michael Z. Williamson said...

He's a truther, a birther, a racist nutjob and an 0bama's-a-Muslim ranter with little background.

His statements on firearms indicate little knowledge.

The amounts in question are perfectly reasonable for agencies of the size in question.

Nice to see the loons create drama where none existed.

Anonymous said...

Michael Z. Williamson, another Barry juice drinker and Barry fudge-cicle devourer, dips his head up his posterior vent for his hero Zero's blatantly open racist associations, commie associations, radical muzzie assocations, and terrorist associations. Do we really need to list all the names for your sodomite drugged out liberal fascist muslim allegianced puppet undocumented usurping fraud lightweight?

Then we get the worn-out "birther" label from another lemming who takes cues from lamestream propaganda ministry media for anyone who asks basic question of why Zero (real name unknown, fact) has never submitted evidence of his birthplace.

Birther /börthör/ n.  1. A person who exhibits the audacity to read the U.S. Constitution, and then demands that his/her government actually obeys it.  2. A derogatory term developed and used by Leftists and Neo-Cons in a lame attempt to marginalize those who harbor the silly notions that Truth matters, and that Republics perish who refuse to uphold the Rule of Law.

But we do allow an ILLEGAL ALIEN to occupy the WH.
FORGED Birth Certificate: Confirmed.
FORGED Selective Service Registration: Confirmed.

Da Curly Wolf said...

Hey AnonyMOUSE. Mike a "Barry Juice Drinker"? ROFLOLOLOL Now THAT is funny!
*walks out of the room still laughing*

Anonymous said...

For everyone (including the Retired General), it is the Hague convention, and it does not prohibit the use of hollow points, it prohibits the use of bullets specificly designed to increase suffering. JAG has some time ago approved the use of OTM rounds as the hollow point in those increase accuracy as their primary intent. Now, the premium bonded core JHP pistol ammo for practice? Uh, no, thats just silly.

Ilex said...

OK, I just called: SSA got Agent John he was shocked, called DOE- pu on hold, transferred to VM of the Inspector General, DHS, wouldn't take message-she was not the SSA or DOE, Leon Panetta, they wouldn't give me his they passed me through to public affairs vm, Robert Hale, they wouldn't give me his ext., Rep. Dan Webster - staffer not aware but will pass msg, Sen. Bill Nelson-staffer said I was not the only call regarding this and he will be addressing this, Sen.Rubio office not aware (?). So, who do you call to get an answer? This is f*cked up!!!!!!

Da Curly Wolf said...

"For everyone (including the Retired General), it is the Hague convention, and it does not prohibit the use of hollow points, it prohibits the use of bullets specificly designed to increase suffering."

Hmmm...wonder if that includes "frangible" rounds. which would be kinda stupid since the point of frangible rounds, IIRC is to prevent the round from exiting the body of the target and harming some innocent soul BEHIND the target...