Sunday, March 3, 2013

"New Gun Control Lie: States Can Ban Anything (Contra McDonald)"

From Steve over at Backwoods Engineer:
Gun bans and confiscation at the state and city level is the new push of the gun-control Left. That's clear from the near-identical gun-ban and confiscation legislation appearing in state houses all over the country, from New York, to Missouri, to Minnesota, to Colorado, to Connecticut, to New Jersey, and beyond. These are the states where high-profile members of the Left, like VP Joe Biden, are making appearances. Sheriffs from these states are meeting with Obama. Letters are being written to the editors of Left-leaning newspapers in these states. It's where the action is.
Simultaneously, a new lie from the Left on gun control has appeared. I first saw it in a comment on a Facebook thread from The Drudge Report, but have seen it in comments on other pro-gun Facebook pages, and news websites, in different forms, but all similar to this:
"The State of Colorado [for example] can ban any and all guns. The 2nd Amendment to the United States Constitution DOES NOT guarantee citizens of their respective states a right to bear arms, it only stops the national government from disarming the States."
What a lie from Hell.


MamaLiberty said...

It's been clear for quite some time that the Colorado legisgators have delusions of absolute control. It will be interesting to see just how long the people of Colorado are willing to let them get away with it.

If most of them do... oh well. There's still room in Wyoming for those who won't take it anymore. :) Looks as if Magpul may be one of them.

And yes, we have our own legisgators to contend with.

SWIFT said...

Judging from comments I've received over the years, trying to wake people up, I can well imagine the number of people who believe this tripe. For me, it no longer matters what level, Fed, State, or local, that tries to enforce an unconstitutional gun control law. Several years ago, I made a solemn promise to myself and some friends, that I would not retreat one more inch. I bear enough guilt that I did not go to war after Waco. There are a shitload of neo-nazi's breathing air today, that should have long ago been worm food. Still, we should confront and expose this lie at every opportunity.

Anonymous said...

But the 2A has been incorporated....just like most of the other Amendments....or can the states regulate away that which was NEVER theirs in the first place? Namely, all natural rights, including the right to self-defense, freedom of religion, speech, etc.

We live in an era of's time to clean house and rid ourselves of our would be masters.

Jeffrey Quick said...

Okay... if the 2nd A only applies to FedGov, then so does the Establishment Clause of the 1st, right? So if we want to make the Catholic Church the established church of Ohio and tax people to support it, we can do that, right?

Toaster 802 said...

Article 16th. Right to bear arms; standing armies; military power subordinate to civil

That the people have a right to bear arms for the defence of themselves and the State - and as standing armies in time of peace are dangerous to liberty, they ought not to be kept up; and that the military should be kept under strict subordination to and governed by the civil power.

They tried, but it has already failed. Even the country liberals will vote a demo-rat out of office for moving on the gun issue.

But just in case, we are not resting on our laurels. And neither should you.

Charles N. Steele said...

Unlike the 1st Amendment, which explicitly says "Congress shall make no law," the 2nd Amendment says "shall not be infringed." It's not limited to the Congress, or federal govt, and there are no qualifiers, exceptions, etc.

Anonymous said...

Well of course states can ban guns - just as states can re-institute slavery, declare war on foreign nations, and prohibit abortions.

Anonymous said...

Add Florida to the list now! 2013 SB1670.

Kevin Wilmeth said...

Many of us have watched the disarmament crowd go back and forth for decades now, seizing on whatever nugget that can give them traction at the present moment. Always it involves a conflation sophistry to convince the credulous that the charter documents which are supposed to bind all use of political power, somehow do not mean what they say: either each phrase by itself or together in conjunction, whatever sells more snake oil at the moment. And so today they're selling on an absurd reading of the federalism arrangement from the state side, whereas it seems like only yesterday that the same were arguing with equal absurdity that only national had supremacy, over all things.

One can easily offer a half-dozen simple smell tests that just destroy this thinking, for anyone even dimly aware of history and basic human nature. Sadly, though, if that tactic were a viable solution, it would have succeeded long ago. We're just in a different place now.

It's hard to overstate just how infuriating that is, but it may be a sign of desperation as much as anything. Those involved in this deception are committed so deeply that they have to hang on, now. They'd never survive their own supporters, should the truth get out in full, and I suspect they know it.

They're just trying to get us to start their "people's war" for them. And they need us to do so, so they can have themselves a war scapegoat before the coming collapse strips them of whatever remaining moral authority anyone could possibly confer upon them.

John Ryan said...

At a 2nd Amendment rally Saturday. It lasted an hour or so which was long enough to ask 19 people ten questions I put together the night before.

There is a sheriff's election coming up and the incumbent, when asked a month ago if he would defend the 2nd Amendment danced around the issue and didn't stop dancing until this rally happened and another candidate was announced.

The questions were pointed regarding the 2nd Amendment and the militia and I'm happy to report but for three responses out of nineteen, people readily embraced the legitimacy of a 21st century militia and their willingness to participate in one.

These were solid citizens, level headed people who made sure they understood the questions they were being asked. And they are very concerned.

Many of them appreciated the focus they were forced to bring to bear on the subject.

William Flatt said...

Anon@8:54am is correct. All rights are incorporated and applicable in every state, especially since SCOTUS openly affirmed that 2A is "an INDIVIDUAL right", putting it indisputably on the same plane as faith, free speech, and press, to name but a few.

Mr. Steele is also correct in that because 2A does not reference Congress, 2A was and remains the FIRST CLEARLY INCORPORATED AMENDMENT by strict construction.

However, the ultimate litmus test is 'original intent', and one merely needs to look to the 13 original states' constitutions at the time of the debates (1787-1789) to see that most of the Bill of Rights was already in effect at the state level, such that once the BoR was ratified, the 13 states essentially incorporated those freedoms in perpetuity.

Subsequent states self-incorporated the freedoms guaranteed in the Bill of Rights by applying for and receiving statehood, regardless of prior sovereignty as was the case with Texas or Hawaii.

Moreover, no state can subsequently repeal basic individual rights that are explicitly enumerated in the Bill of Rights. This default was readily understood by the founding generation and treated as 'self-evident'. Unenumerated rights were once similarly regarded as self-evident, but unfortunately over the years this self-evident truth has become obscured. Hence we now have laws that dictate to us what we are permitted to put into or do to our own bodies, violating the bedrock principle of self-ownership and culminating in Obamacare, which presumes that your body belongs to the gubbint and therefore they can decide "what's good for you" over your own better informed objections.

Dr. Edwin Vieira is right, Ron Paul is right, the founding fathers are right, and so forth. The collectivists and their minions in government are wrong.

They can keep lying, and I'll keep reloading.