"A man can never have too much red wine, too many books, or too much ammunition" —Rudyard Kipling
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Sipsey Street Quiz:What is 1000 rounds of 7.62 NATO ball ammunition per rifle packed in stripper clips and bandoleers?a. A good start.b. A false sense of security.c. A bitch for one man to carry.d. All of the above.
"And remember, big boy, packaging . . . is . . . everything!"
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5 round stripper clips, 2 strippers per pocket, 6 pockets per bandoleer, 4 bandos per can, 3 cans per wire-bound crate, 8 crates per man, rifle, year.
Quiz answer is "all of the above".
As Boston T. Party recommended long ago, the goal is to have at least 10,000 rounds on hand for each battle rifle. I'll add that you may dip into that 20% to enable practice, but no more than that, you should order more as soon as you hit the 10% mark.
Also, all old guys, like me, should have gone to some sort of glass sights when they hit 55 years of age, no body eludes Presbyopia. Eotech, Aimpoint, or Trijicon have solutions, none are cheap, one of them will be necessary.
as I am a newbie... I love my m/p sw ar-15...
but several people have told me that 7.62 is the future...
any opinion?
d.
or in Mae's case dd !
D: All of the above
And I love Mae West! My kinda woman! "Is that a 1911 in your pocket, or are ya just happy to see me?"
7.62X51 NATO, a Cold War round, is where the past meets the future.
5.56X45 300M (out of a 20" barrel) or 200M (out of a 16" barrel) effective range vs 7.62x51 600M+ effective range. Bullet weight of 149gr for the 7.62 vs 55gr for the 5.56 equals more penetration and retained energy on target at any range.
You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire.
10k rounds of M855 would cost about $4k after shipping. You can do 10K of Tula M193 for about half that.
@@ What Is:
That may be one of those unending debates, but IMHO -
Bigger bullets penetrate bigger barriers. Seven six two is so universally available that it should not be a problem to find under almost any condition. Likewise, in sidearms, despite all of the 'this is better than that" argument, the fact is that the plain old 9mm is more readily available than any other handgun caliber and may be more easily picked up in areas of conflict, when opposing people don't need them any more.
@ What is Occupation. 7.62 NATO, when you need to reach out and touch someone(read "M14 The Three hundred meter war" http://westernrifleshooters.blogspot.com/2008/09/vanderboegh-m14-three-hundred-meter-war.html from Mike's book Absolved). Though 5.56 is ok for rabid poodles. (that's an M14 joke)
Answer D is correct.
Liberty and Fidelity to you all !
To what is Occupation asked, both are good.
7.62 is far more effective especially at longer ranges but 5.56 is lighter and ubiquitous.
Were I in your boots, I'd but 5.56 and learn the ins and outs of what I have. Shoot what you have and love
Assuming all the bad stuff can be prevented (and there is still time) you'll at least be a better rounded person and not one of those gun wankers who has a hundred guns he doesn't know how to use.
Heck push to shove, a decent .22 semi auto 22 and 20 bricks is something . If used well can procure better weapons, supper or get a few heads.
Train with what you have and can afford, Ar, M14, Nagant whatever. Just know your weapons uses and limits, how and when to use it, how to survive and most importantly work to prevent it from being needed.
A good, but not hard and fast, is 7.62 for point defense, 5.56 for lightweight vehicle and movement carry.
I have a short AR-15 in 6.5 Grendel caliber. I chose that because it's about the maximum power in the AR-15 frame while still having adequate magazine capacity (25 rounds). It has a trajectory similar enough to the 7.62 to use optics with 7.62 compensated reticles for it. It maintains supersonic speeds to about 1000 meters. Several companies are making ammo for it, cheap steel cased practice ammo should be hitting the supply chain in a couple of months.
For carry in a car or truck, it's hard to beat a 16 inch barrel, collapsible stocked AR-15.
For use on the ranch, I do like my FAL, it's in 7.62 and I'm about to complete my build of another FAL in
.338 Federal caliber.
I think there is room for both the 7.62x51 and the 5.56x55 in the plan. The AR platform in 5.56 is much more compact and you will carry more ammunition. I like storing the ammunition on 10-round stripper clips in ammo cans with a 'spoon' stripper clip/magazine adapter in each can.
The 7.62 is a bolt rifle.
Handguns are, I think, last-ditch guns. They are underpowered and hard to hit with but you'll have it with you. I don't go crazy with ammunition for it. Anything you can do with a handgun you can do better with a long gun.
The .22 idea is good as well. Ammo is cheap and would make good trading stock.
I agree that we older ones need glass sights.
Whatever caliber/weapon you have, know it - inside out, upside down and backwards.
I don't remember who said it
" beware the man who only owns one weapon, he probable know how to use it "
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Sorry Gentlemen. I believe this will be a handgun war. You won't know you're under attack or who the enemy is until you see the whites of his eyes. Target ID at 500 yards on a civilian clothed target is impossible.
1000 rounds is two cans of 7.62NATO, which is all of the above, in addition to being a 2-week supply for a militiaman on the American SW border.
Add fifty 20-round magazines in bandoleers and 6 m-60 ammo cans to pack them in.
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Cheers.
This morning my wife's first words, before her feet even hit the floor, were "Can we skip work and go to the range?"
Two years ago this Valentine's Day I gave her a Rock River AR15A4. She hated it until she had some range time on it. She would never have fallen in love with my Springfield M1A like that. Now my chores get put off because she wants to go shooting.
On the one hand I figure I have cover while I say hello to the 100 to 500 meter folks. On the other hand, I may have created a monster.
Get your "main squeeze" a battle rifle they can handle comfortably, that they will practice with, and get them to the range with you.
One barrel, if properly cleaned between missions.
-JRM
Considering the subject under discussion you might just want to consider the ubiquitous RPG/Variant and the like.
That is unless you really believe a 762 of any type will be sufficient against what you will be facing both airborne and on the ground.
You can bet they will follow orders and they will kill your ass. Maybe not all of them but most of them will. They prefer static, defensive targets which are underarmed and without imagination.
They hate and fear those who can and will fight back effectively, on all fronts. This is another reason why the NDAA was signed the other night.
The targets are now "domestic" and you can tell this has been so for a while because of Ruby Ridge and Waco and a hundred other incidents. The "big" one (WTC) they missed, not because they were involved but because they allocated their resources on those other aforementioned "domestic" targets. They are more concerned with watching you.
Considering that most of you just wanted to be left alone, what would make them fear you and your reactions so much, that they need to watch you so closely? Perhaps what they were doing at the time and what they planned for the future?
The constitution and your bill of rights means nothing to them and they are killing it off on a daily basis because it is inconvienient to their wishes. Fortunately, you get to pay all the bills involved too. Their authority is solely force of arms, without anyconstitutional basis, making of you, and your children, their slaves.
The answer to the quiz is: 6 basic loads with 40 cartridges left over.
I have always used what the standard NATO round is. Right now it's 5.56 and 7.62. Leo's use it, the military uses it. Heck, let the enemy re-supply you. I stay away from hard to find ammo. That's just me.
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