Ralph Peters -- Dumb Marines, Delighted Media: The Left's nostalgia for My Lai is forever
It seems many people are upset about this image of Marines pissing on Taliban dead.
If I could provide a little history and context . . .
The image above was found here. There is little doubt that had the Taliban fighters taken the Marines and been given the leisure to deal with them, such beheadings would not be off the table, were the Marines alive or dead. American soldiers have run into such enemies before. This is one of the most famous photos of the Pacific War, 1941-1945.
Japanese officer beheading American soldier.
For their part, although there is no evidence that American soldiers and Marines returned the favor and beheaded live Japanese prisoners, what happened after they were dead was apparently fair game. Here are a few images of such instances:
Japanese head staked out in front of destroyed position.
Japanese head used as a trail marker.
Japanese head hung in a tree by an American serviceman.
Here's one mounted on a Navy vessel.
Original Caption: Defense worker N. Nickolson writes to her sweetheart thanking him for his letter and "souvenir." This skull of a Japanese soldier bears the inscription: "Here is a good Jap -- a dead one!"
Just a little history and context.
27 comments:
So an American is as capable of barbarism as an Afghani...not exactly news but it's still important to call out such acts IMO.
"Hassan, why do my seventy-two virgins have pitchforks and pointy tails? They are uglier than the goat who was my best girlfriend!"
"By the beard of Allah, you speak truly, Omar. And this brothel--it is hotter than the sands of Babylon! It makes me wish some infidel Marine devil dogs would cool my fevered brow with some of his urine."
MALTHUS
I personally applaud Florida Representative, and former Army lieutenant colonel, Allen West for his take on the situation:
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/allen-west-marines-incident-shut-your-mouth-war-hell_616699.html
“I have sat back and assessed the incident with the video of our Marines urinating on Taliban corpses. I do not recall any self-righteous indignation when our Delta snipers Shugart and Gordon had their bodies dragged through Mogadishu. Neither do I recall media outrage and condemnation of our Blackwater security contractors being killed, their bodies burned, and hung from a bridge in Fallujah.
“All these over-emotional pundits and armchair quarterbacks need to chill. Does anyone remember the two Soldiers from the 101st Airborne Division who were beheaded and gutted in Iraq?
“The Marines were wrong. Give them a maximum punishment under field grade level Article 15 (non-judicial punishment), place a General Officer level letter of reprimand in their personnel file, and have them in full dress uniform stand before their Battalion, each personally apologize to God, Country, and Corps videotaped and conclude by singing the full US Marine Corps Hymn without a teleprompter.
“As for everyone else, unless you have been shot at by the Taliban, shut your mouth, war is hell.”
I was always under the impression that the picture of the Japanese soldier beheading the kneeling prisoner, was of an Australian. Perhaps I have it confused with some other photo I saw.
I am still not convinced that they weren't praying for them .
And why are we even discussing this? Why is this a matter of consuming interest to our media? Because they don't understand war and cannot comprehend any reason to ever go to war. You see, none of their "people" have been butchered, at least none that they personally knew and even if they did, "two wrongs don't make a right." Assuming of course they have no agenda and of course, they always do.
Poor blood thirsty killers. Oh, but I'm not supposed to call them that.
They got off lucky. With a little imagination, that could have turned into one hell of a party!
For some more context, remember the bodies of MSgts Shughart and Gordon being dragged through the streets of Mogadishu.
I also read about an American lady, I think an aid worker in Iraq, who was found by American troops stuffed in a trash bag. Being cleanly killed, then pissed on would have been heaven for that poor woman.
Ever hear the comment, "well just piss on them" ?? these boys took it literally
In defense of the Japanese I would remind everyone that the IJA's method of beheading a prisoner is entirely different from the method preferred by the glorious and heroic soldiers of the so-called "religion of peace". The IJA used a sword - and not JUST a sword but a katana, one of the sharpest and most efficient cutting implements ever made. With a katana whatever is swung at comes off cleanly and relatively easily. In the hands of a skilled user, beheading with a katana would be a fairly humane method of execution.
Contrast that with the hideous process of hacking a man's head off with a butcher knife! The victim is clearly in agony. Their death is more one of exsanguination since the spinal cord is the last part severed. You can hear the victims anguished, agonized breathing through their exposed wind pipe! One can only imagine the terror the victim must feel in their last moments of life.
If you ask me - I know you didn't but I'm gonna tell you anyhow - the bastards ought to be left unburied, their dick and balls draped on their head, a hog's balls stuffed in their mouth and a hog's dick jammed up their ass! Then they should be drenched in rendered pig fat and left somewhere prominently visible with a sign in Arabic, English and whatever barbarous jibber-jabber passes for language in that shit hole part of the world saying "Keep attacking Americans. We got plenty of hogs to go around!
Bullets before Burqas
Pistols before Prayre Rugs
Rifles before Ramadan
DEATH BEFORE DHIMMITUDE!!!
Funny, all that I could think of when I heard about the incident at first, as now, is the video of Nick Berg and Daniel Pearl. Sure, what these Marines did was "wrong", but no more wrong than being ordered to perform war goings-on in the first place. This is what happens when there is combat. We used to denigrate our enemies on the home front also. Now we idolize them in the news. Don't want to offend anyone 'afore we kills 'em!!
A classic example of the wussification of America. I say give these guys a medal!
In the mind of the modern leftist, pissing on the enemy you just killed is such an affront to their sensibilities...I mean even more so than the killing of said enemy.
More cognitive dissonance from the ever inconsistent thinking of leftists.
KPN3%
Major Chun, ROK, say, this VC much man, fight like hell, we honor him now with bury fast, we got more VC to kill.
We move out 10 min....!
Major Chum would piss on these ones once dead who rape little children. "Make it a fast piss we got many more these things to kill.
Here are some questions I have:
What is the mission now?
Bin Laden is dead.
Why be over there anymore? Nation building?
Is that goal worth the lives being lost on both sides?
With the US in serious economic trouble, why are taxpayers paying to build another nation?
Lastly: Why do individual military folks contribute the most money (by a large margin) to the 2012 presidential candidate who wants to bring US troops home from not only Afghanistan, but all around the world?
This is a trivial incident in the insanity of war.Those who would feed Americas finest into the meatgrinder for ten years,suddenly develop a conscience over this? The leftist hag Clinton,wife of the Rhoads scholar/dope smoking draft dodger,Billy Jeff Clinton the man who destroyed the lives of millions of Americans with the stroke of a pen.This Bitch threatens these Marines over this?...PISS ON HER AND ALL HER KIND !.
Those Marines are still dumb. Desecrating the dead is inexcusable behavior regardless of the behavior of our enemy. It was wrong then and it's wrong now.
The bottom line is that we are the good guys. There is a price to pay for that and it is unrelenting dignity, discipline and honor in our actions.
There is nobility in our fight because we remove people that behave this way. I say kill then all, but do it with honor. Else we degrade ourselves and our species.
The primary purpose of Marine Corps leadership is MISSION ACCOMPLISHMENT. the secondary purpose of Marine Corps leadership is troop welfare. Regardless of what this does for morale, it hurts mission accomplishment. These men, while they're behavior is understandable, have brought shame upon the Corps and should be given general or other than honorable discharges. This is not to appease the media or our enemy, but rather because they didn't live up to the expectations of a noble warrior.
At the risk of being crude, piss on their entire country. No, wait, piss on the entire M.E.!
Why is it that we have to be SO careful of offending those peace-loving indigenes, yet no one gives a damn if they offend US???
Dan / Chicago
What difference does it make what you do to a body of a killed enemy combatant after he has been killed. It just sends a message to other enemy soldiers that this could be you.
Peed on? Wow! Please don't. Stick a grenade in my mouth and push me over a cliff but just don't pee on my dead body. It's so unsanitary. Go ahead and use my body as a sand bag to stop bullets, or stack my body along with my fellow soldiers like cord wood to drive tanks over, but just don't piss on me. Its just pathetic to even discuss this 'revelation' when we are at war. They are dead. Within a few short days their bodies will be decaying and in a couple weeks consumed by maggots.
Fuck the left and fuck (p)islam. Strip away (p)islam's region and the left's "secular humanism" and both are the same old totalitarian collectivists.
January 14th should be "Pee on a terrorist or leftist" day.
So soon we forget, Mike ! You and I know how SAS troopers would have left these corpses, as well !
I suspect the video was done for benefit of some local "fencesitting" tribesmen.
Urine is halal in their culture, so not nearly the "desecration" our western pundits perceive it to be. >MW
Maybe if Jane Fonda stood next to the marines during the photo op everything would be okay.
"You see, none of their "people" have been butchered, at least none that they personally knew and even if they did, "two wrongs don't make a right." "
Actually, it's even worse. As mentioned above some of their people have been victims of musslim "hospitality" but the leftist press doesn't even honor its own dead for very long.
Daniel Pearl has already been mentioned.
Lara Logan: http://abcnews.go.com/Health/MindMoodNews/cbs-reporter-lara-logan-opens-tahrir-square-assault/story?id=13492964
Caroline Sinz: http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=0f7_1322334618
But at least the leftist media has been true to its principles: that the individual has no value or importance except as, in some few cases, a propaganda tool.
These are some very stupid Marines who should know better, but with the mentality of a 15 year old, what can you expect. Anything to get your vid on Youtube!
If any NCO's were present, they obviously weren't any smarter.
I'm sure by now they've been punished enough. Time to move on.
Obviously the masses haven't the balls to watch Muslims hacking heads off, they would quickly learn to shut the fuck up! We can't hold a candle to that kind of sick brutality.
What ever became of Capt. Ernest Medina and Lt. William Calley? Not the U.S. Army,s proudest performance.The Americal Div. also gave us Stormin Norman and Collin Powell if that can be considered any redemption.
Dumb sumbitch who was on the camera and posted it should enjoy a 'blanket party'.
I can't excuse it, but I CAN understand it.
Should have wrapped the sandies in pigskins and left them for someone else to find. If they were my boys, I'd kick their asses for swinging on film, give em beers for a job well done, and shipped out the jackass that posted the video.
Semper Fi
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lX8jo8wIIaU
The Church Lady tells the mussies how it is... ("Deplorable! Utterly deplorable!")
From http://barnhardt.biz/
Q: Ann,
What do you think of the Marines who peed on the dead Taliban?
A: I have little sympathy for men who live their lives wiping their anuses with their bare hands after bowel movements, and who view as the pinnacle of human pleasure inserting their genitals and depositing their semen into the feces-laden rectums of boys and other men, who suddenly get squeamish about dead bodies being sprinkled with a bit of urine - which is sterile by the way. Those dead Taliban were probably the cleanest they had ever been in their adult lives after being showered with the righteous tinkles of those Marines. Ooh-rah. That is all. Carry on.
As for me, every musloid theater should be equipped with a large hog pen. All enemy kills would then be dismembered (allah likes for them to arrive whole)and fed piece by piece to the hogs, to be digested and shat out the hogs anus, so the offending musloids could look forward to an eternity of floating about the earth as an insignificant spec of dried up pig shit. Video of this operation would of course be widely distributed to the enemy. Pissing is for pussies.
Jack, III
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