If this baker kneels before this crap he needs some sanity training. As a business owner, my beliefs trump that of anyone walking in my door. Don't like it? Take your business down the street. God is NOT my copilot; he's my ONLY pilot. My beliefs align with those in the Bible. Your mileage may vary, but that's mine. End of story.
No freaking way am I going to taste a crumb from that cake make forcibly - too much chance of 'ingridient mishap'. :^)
Why would you want anyone involved in your wedding that was not happy to do it ? Is this baker the only person in the local area ?
Baker could have handled this differently - just accept the job then decline because of a forgotten task that prevented you from doing this. Nobody gets their panties in a bunch and no lawsuit involved.
Honesty hurts apparently. Maybe local people should give the guy some extra business because of his stand ?
Wasn't it Jesse Jackson who said he spit in white people's food when he worked at a restaurant? What happened to "We reserve the right to refuse service"?
Anon 0742, I understand that business IS up at the bakery. Community support is there.
The plaintiffs are professional plaintiffs. They troll around until they find cause for offense, they sue, and then they live off the proceeds until something else offends them.
I read the other day that Colorado doesn't recognize same sex marriage, so the baker has apparently been ordered to bake a cake celebrating an illicit, if not illegal, event.
Someone should get pix and vids of the "ceremony" and of their holding out as married people, and then file a criminal complaint with the county sheriff.
Turnabout is fair play, we used to say. Maybe they won't like it when they are hoist on their petard.
If I were a baker in this place I would advise the boss to go along with it, and then to put me in charge of the next gay wedding "cake"
I'm sure I could turn it into such a spectacle of visual shock and humiliation that they would never again try this bullshit.
If you can't beat them at their game, make them utterly sorry they were ever shat into existence.
On another note, it's my estimation that this kind of religious bigotry does nothing to weaken Christianity, and in fact strengthens it considerably. Have no fear. It's hard to demand that someone abandon their beliefs when doing so may just get you shot. those days are coming...
@Thomas Rice: "Personally, I would just close the business and go Gault"
Of course, if he does that, he's in contempt of court, since he's been ordered to do things. That means more attorney's fees, fines, and possible jail time.
It would be nice if he told them to go pound sand, but like as not, he won't, for very practical reasons.
I agree with the court. If you enter a business and do not cause any problem by your ACTIONS and you pay the stated price for the goods or services, then I agree with the court. Just because a business doesn't agree with your lifestyle or color or your politics or religion, a business doesn't have the right to refuse to sell to you. Or, perhaps you would favor segregation at lunch counters again, huh? So, I agree with the court in this case. What does providing a cake have to do with approval or disapproval of gay marriage, anyway? It is just a cake, dammit.
If there is a God then he made homosexuals that way. Most homosexuals have a genetic predisposition to be homosexual. Therefore, most of them really don't have a choice. If you believe every word in the Bible is the literal truth, then you need to examine your thought processes, because you are a fool!
This cake maker is not simply refusing to sell a cake he has ready-made, like a can of beans; he is being compelled, forcibly to become a participant in something to which he has strong moral objections. Something which, by the way, in his state is not recognized by state law.
Besides that, he is compelled to be "re-educated" because he is not ALLOWED to hold these religious views.
No, it is not "just a cake".
Next on the gaystapo's agenda is compelling churches to conduct same-sex weddings. Speech codes for sermons (like they have in Canada) will come soon.
Most people are pretty indifferent to homosexuals and their pretend ceremonies, but most people don't want to have 'acceptance" shoved down their throats.
I agree with the court. If you enter a business and do not cause any problem by your ACTIONS and you pay the stated price for the goods or services, then I agree with the court. Just because a business doesn't agree with your lifestyle or color or your politics or religion, a business doesn't have the right to refuse to sell to you. Or, perhaps you would favor segregation at lunch counters again, huh? So, I agree with the court in this case. What does providing a cake have to do with approval or disapproval of gay marriage, anyway? It is just a cake, dammit.
If there is a God then he made homosexuals that way. Most homosexuals have a genetic predisposition to be homosexual. Therefore, most of them really don't have a choice. If you believe every word in the Bible is the literal truth, then you need to examine your thought processes, because you are a fool!
"I agree with the court. If you enter a business and do not cause any problem by your ACTIONS and you pay the stated price for the goods or services, then I agree with the court. Just because a business doesn't agree with your lifestyle or color or your politics or religion, a business doesn't have the right to refuse to sell to you."
People have strange ideas about equal treatment under the law. That was about treatment BY GOVERNMENT. It never was about forcing private citizens to treat others equally. Read about it here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equal_Protection_Clause
People may associate with whom they please, and just by starting a business they do not lose that right.
As to whether Jack Phillips stands up to the court and refuses, I hope he does. The guy must be in his 60's by now. The one good thing about getting old is that you don't have to put up with crap any more. http://ncc-1776.org/tle2013/tle745-20131117-04.html
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If this baker kneels before this crap he needs some sanity training.
As a business owner, my beliefs trump that of anyone walking in my door. Don't like it? Take your business down the street.
God is NOT my copilot; he's my ONLY pilot. My beliefs align with those in the Bible. Your mileage may vary, but that's mine. End of story.
Glad I don't have to eat that cake. Hopefully there's more than spit in it.
No freaking way am I going to taste a crumb from that cake make forcibly - too much chance of 'ingridient mishap'. :^)
Why would you want anyone involved in your wedding that was not happy to do it ? Is this baker the only person in the local area ?
Baker could have handled this differently - just accept the job then decline because of a forgotten task that prevented you from doing this. Nobody gets their panties in a bunch and no lawsuit involved.
Honesty hurts apparently. Maybe local people should give the guy some extra business because of his stand ?
Wasn't it Jesse Jackson who said he spit in white people's food when he worked at a restaurant? What happened to "We reserve the right to refuse service"?
Anon 0742, I understand that business IS up at the bakery. Community support is there.
The plaintiffs are professional plaintiffs. They troll around until they find cause for offense, they sue, and then they live off the proceeds until something else offends them.
I read the other day that Colorado doesn't recognize same sex marriage, so the baker has apparently been ordered to bake a cake celebrating an illicit, if not illegal, event.
Someone should get pix and vids of the "ceremony" and of their holding out as married people, and then file a criminal complaint with the county sheriff.
Turnabout is fair play, we used to say. Maybe they won't like it when they are hoist on their petard.
If I were a baker in this place I would advise the boss to go along with it, and then to put me in charge of the next gay wedding "cake"
I'm sure I could turn it into such a spectacle of visual shock and humiliation that they would never again try this bullshit.
If you can't beat them at their game, make them utterly sorry they were ever shat into existence.
On another note, it's my estimation that this kind of religious bigotry does nothing to weaken Christianity, and in fact strengthens it considerably. Have no fear. It's hard to demand that someone abandon their beliefs when doing so may just get you shot. those days are coming...
Personally, I would just close the business and go Gault,
It certainly isn't worth conforming!
Resistance is to only path.
"Hopefully there's more than spit in it."
If there isn't when he bakes it, there may well be when it's served, so why worry about it?
@Thomas Rice: "Personally, I would just close the business and go Gault"
Of course, if he does that, he's in contempt of court, since he's been ordered to do things. That means more attorney's fees, fines, and possible jail time.
It would be nice if he told them to go pound sand, but like as not, he won't, for very practical reasons.
I agree with the court. If you enter a business and do not cause any problem by your ACTIONS and you pay the stated price for the goods or services, then I agree with the court. Just because a business doesn't agree with your lifestyle or color or your politics or religion, a business doesn't have the right to refuse to sell to you. Or, perhaps you would favor segregation at lunch counters again, huh? So, I agree with the court in this case. What does providing a cake have to do with approval or disapproval of gay marriage, anyway? It is just a cake, dammit.
If there is a God then he made homosexuals that way. Most homosexuals have a genetic predisposition to be homosexual. Therefore, most of them really don't have a choice. If you believe every word in the Bible is the literal truth, then you need to examine your thought processes, because you are a fool!
- Old Greybeard
I wonder what ground up glass would taste like in a cake?
This cake maker is not simply refusing to sell a cake he has ready-made, like a can of beans; he is being compelled, forcibly to become a participant in something to which he has strong moral objections.
Something which, by the way, in his state is not recognized by state law.
Besides that, he is compelled to be "re-educated" because he is not ALLOWED to hold these religious views.
No, it is not "just a cake".
Next on the gaystapo's agenda is compelling churches to conduct same-sex weddings. Speech codes for sermons (like they have in Canada) will come soon.
Most people are pretty indifferent to homosexuals and their pretend ceremonies, but most people don't want to have 'acceptance" shoved down their throats.
I agree with the court. If you enter a business and do not cause any problem by your ACTIONS and you pay the stated price for the goods or services, then I agree with the court. Just because a business doesn't agree with your lifestyle or color or your politics or religion, a business doesn't have the right to refuse to sell to you. Or, perhaps you would favor segregation at lunch counters again, huh? So, I agree with the court in this case. What does providing a cake have to do with approval or disapproval of gay marriage, anyway? It is just a cake, dammit.
If there is a God then he made homosexuals that way. Most homosexuals have a genetic predisposition to be homosexual. Therefore, most of them really don't have a choice. If you believe every word in the Bible is the literal truth, then you need to examine your thought processes, because you are a fool!
- Old Greybeard
June 5, 2014 at 5:17 PM
Statist.
Shane
"I agree with the court. If you enter a business and do not cause any problem by your ACTIONS and you pay the stated price for the goods or services, then I agree with the court. Just because a business doesn't agree with your lifestyle or color or your politics or religion, a business doesn't have the right to refuse to sell to you."
People have strange ideas about equal treatment under the law. That was about treatment BY GOVERNMENT. It never was about forcing private citizens to treat others equally. Read about it here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equal_Protection_Clause
People may associate with whom they please, and just by starting a business they do not lose that right.
As to whether Jack Phillips stands up to the court and refuses, I hope he does. The guy must be in his 60's by now. The one good thing about getting old is that you don't have to put up with crap any more.
http://ncc-1776.org/tle2013/tle745-20131117-04.html
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