"Obviously, our people in Georgia are very interested in ‘Absolved’ and the arrests over there. I saw on your blog that you won’t talk until someone tells you how the story broke. It’s pretty simple – the feds sent a news release yesterday. Also yesterday, the indictment was unsealed. It mentions ‘Absolved.’"
BACKGROUND OF THE INVESTIGATION
5. On March 17, 2011 the government's confidential human source (CHS1) consensually recorded a clandestine meeting involving members of a fringe group of a known militia organizationl with the fringe group calling itself the "covert group." The meeting occurred at the residence of Frederick W. Thomas (THOMAS) located at 2265 Dean Mountain Road, Cleveland, Georgia, 30528 1 and attendees at the meeting included THOMAS, Emory Dan Roberts (ROBERTS), and others. At the outset of this meeting, the attendees began discussing and then displaying various weapons each one was carrying on his person. THOMAS mentioned to the group that he had enough weapons to arm everyone at the table. ROBERTS and CHSl either did not have weapons, or did not make them visible.
6. THOMAS became the primary speaker for the meeting and began discussing overt and covert operations for the group. He mentioned a fictional novel he had read on-line in which an antigovernment group killed a large number of federal Department of Justice attorneys, and then he stated, "Now of course, that's just fiction, but that's a damn good idea. 1I THOMAS described a scenario in which he felt would be the "line in the sand" that would result in the activation of militias. THOMAS believed that soon, during a protest action, a protestor would be shot. It is his opinion the militias would act and respond by openly attacking the police. He then openly discussed having compiled what he called the "Bucket List" which is a list of government employees, politicians, corporate leaders and members of the media he feels needed to be "taken out" to "make the country right again." THOMAS told the group he sent the list to a web blog.
7. During the meeting, THOMAS made the following statements:
a. "The right people have to be taken down, and taken down soon."
b. "There is no way for us, as militiamen, to save this country, to save Georgia, without doing something that's highly highly illegal. Murder. That's fucking
illegal, but it's gotta be done."
c. "When it comes time to saving the Constitution, that means some people gotta die."
8. When murder was mentioned, ROBERTS said he knew people in Habersham County [Georgia] who had a substance that could kill people with a very small amount. CHS1 suggested ROBERTS was talking about ricin, and someone else agreed, adding that ricin is made from castor beans. The conversation then went into a discussion about castor beans and possible ways to obtain them.
9. THOMAS spoke of the need for the group to acquire more weapons, ammo, food, and survival gear and then discussed the need for the group to establish a silent means of taking people out. THOMAS suggested silencers for handguns, stating, "In order to do what we want to do, take out the right people, we have to have some silent means of doing it. That means suppressors on handguns."
10. THOMAS stated they needed to find a machinist with the ability to manufacture silencers and not register them with the ATF. THOMAS said this was necessary to prevent them from being traced back to an owner if they were lost. THOMAS also mentioned a gun store near the Georgia/South carolina border that manufactures silencers and he commented that they should consider "hitting the truck," meaning they should steal the silencers from the trucks.
11. On April 3, 2011, CHSI consensually recorded a meeting with THOMAS and ROBERTS at a restaurant in northeast Georgia. The attendees talked about acquiring ammunition and equipment, particularly silencers for firearms. THOMAS suggested that they buy, steal, make, or attack a manufacturer's truck in order to obtain the silencers. THOMAS also talked again about his "Bucket List" of people he thought should be killed. During the meeting, THOMAS stated that he thought they could "fight off a SWAT team." He also stated, "I've been to war, and I've taken life before, and I can do it again."
12. On April 16, 2011, CHSI consensually recorded another meeting of the "covert group, /I again at the residence of THOMAS located at 2265 Dean Mountain Road, Cleveland, Georgia, 30528. Attendees included CHSl, THOMAS, ROBERTS and others. During the meeting THOMAS discussed the need for the group to start moving forward with taking action in some of their previously discussed plans, including a number of assassinations on various government officials.
13. THOMAS also explained to the others present that he intended to model their actions on the plot of an online novel called Absolved. The plot of Absolved involves small groups of citizens attacking United States federal law enforcement
representatives and federal judges. THOMAS expressed his belief that they should conduct a number of assassinations on various government officials, and he particularly expressed a desire to kill Department of Justice (DOJ) and Internal Revenue Service (IRS) employees.
14. During the meeting, THOMAS made the following statements:
a. "Civilian government operatives is who we're going to be shooting at: IRS, ATF, FBI, and the COpS."
b. "Who is the primary topics, targets? DOJ. Everybody in DOJ. That includes judges, ATF, IRS, and the hierarchy thereof."
c. "I could shoot ATF and IRS all day long. All the judges and the DOJ and the attorneys and prosecutors."
15. On April 29, 2011 and April 30, 2011, CHS1 consensually recorded conversations between, CHS1, THOMAS and ROBERTS while traveling to and from a meeting held in south Georgia on 04/30/2011. During a conversation on April 30, 2011, THOMAS mentioned that, while at the meeting, he spoke to a second confidential source (CHS2) about acquiring silencers. THOMAS reiterated the need for the group to obtain silencers to shoot people quietly. THOMAS suggested they obtain unregistered, .22 caliber long rifles, cut them down and thread them to accommodate a silencer. During the ride, THOMAS asked ROBERTS whether he (ROBERTS) thought they should try to grow their group larger, "or stick to what we are planning on, assassinating 4 or 5 guys and that's it?" ROBERTS replied, "I think probably we need both."
16. On May 17, 2011, CHS1 met with THOMAS and ROBERTS to further discuss the group's plans. (This meeting was not recorded. ) CHS1 reported that THOMAS indicated the group was ready to move forward with acquiring silencers. At some point in the conversation, explosives were mentioned and THOMAS became very excited and said the group really needed to get some explosives. THOMAS mentioned that he is very disgruntled with the IRS and the Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms (ATF). THOMAS indicated that he was considering driving to the Atlanta area to survey/locate IRS and ATF buildings.
The warrant also says that "Agents also learned that THOMAS's e-mail address (is) ahab627@windstream.net."
I checked my email logs alphabetically for sent and received and found no emails displayed from that address, but there was an "Ahab" who posted comments on the blog using blogger and I rather suspect that this was him. I have made no effort as yet to track down his posts, if they are his.
13 comments:
It's the 1990's all over again, where every 3rd person in a "militia" group is an informer.
I note with interest the repeated reference to "consensually recorded" throughout the background. I understand WHY it is there. I question, however, if the individuals were REALLY stupid enough and vain enough to agree to that, or if that is merely more "Law Enforcement" perfidy.
I would note that their standard tactic is, as always, infiltrate to incite and indict. If you have a "friend" acting in that way...
Wow! Isn't this blowing up suddenly. Is the book's purpose to actually encourage or foment violence or did these seniors merely misconstrue and take things too far? These Wall Street demonstrations might be the tip of the proverbial iceberg. Will be intersting to see of the U.S. government resorts to overt violence to quell the brewing discontent.
Oh jeezus. A bunch of pissed off old men talking sh!t, and now they're getting sent off to the big house. Gawd this country is getting more fucked by the minute.
I'm still a whole lot less afraid of the most screwy, far-out militia than I am of the federal gov't. At least a person who isn't a multi-billionaire can negotiate with a militia group.
"consensually recorded"???? That right there tells me these boys were just playing....
Pickdog
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Every action ascribed to Thomas fits the M.O. of the typical FBI instigator, um, I mean, confidential informant.
Remember that in the Hutaree case, the instigator was the one who wanted to do all the bombing.
Huh. Some of the loons that hang around here listening to retarded ranting about the need to take up arms against the communist takeover of America and similar stupidities turn out to be real live terrorists. Go figure.
Hope they'll be investigating your ass soon, Mikey. I won't be surprised if it turns out you were having 'advisory' phone meetings with these guys.
Is there such a thing as a "non-fictional novel?"
I see you're getting the standard number of Federal trolls through here. Do they remember that you collect their IP addresses? Not that ANYTHING would happen with them, of course. After all, since they ARE Federal "Law Enforcement", they have no duty to follow ANY laws. I mean, come on! Look at their fine performance in Fast and Furious! How many laws did they break there? And ain't DIDDLY happened to ANY of those fine "Law Enforcement" officers yet...
"Hope they'll be investigating your ass soon, Mikey. I won't be surprised if it turns out you were having 'advisory' phone meetings with these guys."
Guess you never read the "No Fort Sumpters" post that Mike has put up several times.
They're readily available via search, but perhaps Mike needs to post a copy again. Not that you'll read it, but hopefully everyone else will.
AJ Said: "...I'm still a whole lot less afraid of the most screwy, far-out militia than I am of the federal gov't..."
WINNER!
Likewise for Musloid Turrrists too, BTW...
"Remember that in the Hutaree case, the instigator was the one who wanted to do all the bombing."
My understanding is that the Fed badgered Randy Weaver for days before Weaver agreed to shorten some barrels for him. Weaver never did agree to become a CI and infiltrate any extremists group for the Feds. That refusal, and the federal CI's attempts to obtain leverage to change his mind was what got him in all the trouble.
LET ME JUST START BY SAYING I AM THE DAUGHTER OF ONE OF THE SO CALLED TERRORISTS, I AM TOTALLY DISGUSTED WITH THE MEDIA MAKING THESE GENTLEMEN OUT TO BE TERRORISTS. NONE OF THEM WOULD HURT ANYBODY, ESPECIALLY MY FATHER!
MY FATHER IS AN HONORABLE MAN WHO LOVES HIS COUNTRY AND WOULD BRING NO HARM TO ANYONE! HE RAISED ME GOOD MORALES AND VALUES. JUST BECAUSE HE HAD A FEW GUNS THAT MAKES HIM A TERRORIST? THEN I GEUSS THAT MEANS ALL GUN OWNERS ARE TERRORISTS TOO RIGHT? THE MEDIA HAS DESTROYED ALL OF THESE MENS CREDIBILITY ASWELL AS THE FEDS. THE SO CALLED INFORMANT IS A SHADY CHARACTER, MY QUESTION IS WHY HASN'T THE INFO ABOUT HIM BEEN RELEASED SO PEOPLE CAN UNDERSTAND WHY HE DID WHAT HE DID TO MY FATHER AND HIS FRIENDS? COME ON PEOPLE WHAT CAN 4 RETIRED OLD MEN WITH HEALTH PROBLEMS POSSIBLY GAIN FROM ANY OF THIS? THE FEDS HAVE PUT THE FAMILIES OF THESE MEN LIVES IN TOTAL HELL. MY FATHER IS NOT A KILLER!I'M TIRED OF PEOPLE WHO WANNA MAKE A BUCK OFF OF THIS, THESE MEN ARE INNOCENT! I WILL STAND BY MY FATHER NO MATTER WHAT! HE WORKED HIS ASS OFF SO HE COULD RETIRE AND LIVE A GOOD LIFE, WHY THE HELL WOULD HE JEOPORDIZE THAT?
THE MEDIA DOES NOT HAVE ALL THE FACTS AND THEY ARE PAINTING A VERY UGLY PICTURE OF THESE MEN AND THEY ARE TEARING APART THE FAMILIES. JUSTICE IS NOT GOING TO BE SERVED TO THE RIGHT PEOPLE, WHY? CAUSE ONLY CERTAIN THINGS WERE TOLD ABOUT THE CASE, THINGS THAT MAKE THEM APPEAR GUILTY WHEN THE TRUTH OF THE MATTER IS THERE IS A SLIMY LOW LIFE OUT THERE WHO SET THEM UP!
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