Can somebody tell me if there is more to it than McQueary seeing a dude molest a kid in the shower, telling Paterno, the A.D., and the vice president of finance, and Paterno telling the A.D. and the president?
That looks like a conspiracy to an organized cover-up, but the state law required McQueary to tell the people in charge of the place, not the cops.
The VP/AD/president, being the people in charge (maybe Paterno would qualify for this group, but the cops say not) are the ones who should be charged as accessories to the rapes.
This is a classic story of how a pedophile grooms his victims. That the asshole was caught in the shower raping a 10 year old boy by a university coaching assistant and nothing was done (other than taking away his locker room keys) is proof that the whole athletic program should be terminated. Paterno knew and did not immediately call the police.
Is there any crime greater than an adult stealing innocence from a child by perverting a beautiful thing God gave for married couples to seal their love and raise a family? Maybe there is, by those who know the abuse is taking place and they do nothing! Where is their conscience? How much energy or how many drugs does one need to suppress the knowledge this abuse is taking place with nothing being done to stop it? By what process are people like this raised in our society? These sexual abusers and enablers should be given no quarter, even a quick exit, so as to receive their just desserts, this is the justice called for! OOPS: DA Who Never Charged Sandusky Has Been Missing Since 2005
HE WILL BE GOOD WHEN HE GETS TO PRISON. CONVICTS DONT TAKE THIS KINDA STUFF LIGHTLY. BASH HIS HEAD IN AND SUCH.LIKE MOST MEN IN POWER THEY ARE PEDOPHILES. I HAVE HEARD ALOT OF POLITICIANS ARE PEDO'S AS WELL.BOTH REPS AND DEMS.
Paterno knew and did not immediately call the police.--Anon@8:47 AM
Even if this is not considered to be a civil offense in Pennsylvania, it ought to be(misprison of felony immediately comes to mind) and it is without any doubt the blackest of moral failings. ;^(
I read the first page, then stopped. I have two sons, 2 1/2 and 4 months. I don't need that. I have enough to worry about. I know what the charges are, and I know about the Franklin Cover up. I know what I need to know.
I respectfully disagree; 1. As far as I can tell, Paterno had no legal, civil duty to call the cops; 2. This grand jury finding has nothing to do with the alleged incident for which he was fired; 3. The last time I checked (day before yesterday) no victim had come forward. Without a victim there can be no crime. That being said, the law most definitely is an ass sometimes.
Paterno's failing was not a civil one. It was a moral one. "Joe, you shoulda called the cops", sez I. In trying to protect his beloved University, he failed the kid AND failed the University. His motives were probably pure, but his execution was not. FWIW, I don't think he was trying to protect Sandusky.
Also, FWIW, I'm a cop who's sole duty is to investigate cases of child sexual abuse for the District Attorney. I don't care anything about JoePA.
Mike, thanks for all your work with Gunrunner. Burn 'em, my friend.
I tend to agree that McQueary did what he had to do - but not what he should have done. Considering he was around 28 years old at the time it seems he should have been able to figure out right from wrong immediately, without having to ask his Dad's advice. At best it is a moral failure rather than a legal failure but that should disqualify him from his job at the school.
A bigger issue (for me) is why the police failed to prosecute in '98 when they had a child an mother make a complaint. If they felt they didn't have enough information they should have kept at gathering facts until a case could be made. Certainly that could have been done in less then 12 years.
The school needs a complete house cleaning and likely the local DAs office and police force. Little is being said or written about them.
However, an evil that a 38 slug to the temple would end permanently. Joe Paterno's duty as management was quite clear in this case. He failed that duty miserably. May God have mercy on his soul.
You're just all so judgemental! It was in that poor man's genes for him to want to share the act of love with a child. How can you blame him? (bitter sarc button off!)
This is just the next step when you allow the Queer nation to have their way in defining deviance down through their "Heather Has Two Mommies" education programs!
Not trying to piss anyone off, only trying to gather insight.
As I try to put myself in JoePa's shoes, if someone were to come to me and say "psst, Mike V. or someone I know molested that child". I honestly don't think I would have gone to the cops. Before anyone pops a microchip on me, let me say why then I would like to listen to feedback.
The reason I wouldnt have gone to the cops is because since I was not a witness it would be merely heresay. If the crime happened it would be incumbant upon the actuall witness to go to the cops. I would council said person to go to the cops and would do everything in my power to assure the truth comes to the surface. But if the witness decides not to go to the cops then i would assume that he was probably not telling the truth. The mere existence of a rumor of this type can and will ruin a person. I don't know how I would sleep at night if I fell for some persons malicious rumor and called the cops and ruin an innocent person.
If you guys were in joe's shoes would you have immediately gone to the police?
@ JJET - No 'victim' means no crime? Did you actually INTEND to write that??? So if someone raped your one year old daughter, secretly, and she couldn't speak... or buggered your elderly father in a nursing home, who'd had a stroke and couldn't talk, that would be perfectly cool with you, right? Hey, if your kid or your Dad were unable to 'come forth', then who's to say aything wrong went on?
And you claim to be a COP??? God help any kid who expects help from someone like you! Maybe someday you can meet Joren Vandersloot and have a beer - after all, no body, no crime. Right?
Paterno fulfilled his legal responsibility but not his moral one. I had to ask myself if I had been he...reported a child rape to my boss...then continued to see the perp at work everyday...wouldn't that put up a major flag? Answer was Oh hell yeah it would. I'd be in all their faces. As far as I'm concerned they are ALL guilty including McQueary. Maybe him more so than Paterno because he didn't rip the dick off that homosexual child molester the day he saw him do the deed.
Biggest story of the decade? LOL Yeah they wish it would be so people had somebody other than their boy obama to spit at.
Marquice- If you guys were in joe's shoes would you have immediately gone to the police?
November 14, 2011 4:04 PM
If I were Joe, I would have told McQueary to go to the cops, and NOT the campus cops. I'd also try to find out who the kid's Guardian Ad Litem was, and put them on the case.
I would also like to add that being accused of something doesn't mean one did it. and further I would add that more so than any other crime, an accusation of sexual assault on a child, in particular, and sexual assaults in general, tends to elicit a response from most people that tends to shut off their brain to the possibility of the accused actually being innocent, or for that matter any type of impartiality toward the accusation. In my opinion, the false use of that accusation is being used against Sgt Dyer right now. and remember it was not too long in the recent past where those boys at duke university were drug through hell on a rape accusation that turned out to be false. And if you remember back further, there was the Day care thing, where it went on and on, and it was finally figured out that the accusations were false, there was even a movie about that one. Sandunksy might be a piece os shit pedo, but just remember, false accusations of such activity are far from uncommon
Your ad hominem attack does nothing to prove or disprove my statement.
FWIW, under the eyes of the law if no victim can be found the State cannot prosecute the alleged perpetrator. Basic Law 101.
You, evidently, missed my comment that sometimes the law is indeed an ass.
And, no, I do not call myself a "cop" except as shorthand used in a post with limited space. I am a Peace Officer- an entirely different title than "cop". We Texans understand the difference. You may not. Hence I used that shorthand reference.
Do not presume to impugn my character, Sir, unless you care to do it to my face.
I will assume that your diatribe was the result of failing to understand the intent of my post or that I did not articulate my views properly, and let it go at that.
If someone saw the "act " and did NOT put a stop to it right then & there ,then that person did wrong too ! I do not care who you are , IF I see it happening I will put a STOP to it !!! Afterward may be call the police maybe not.
Some folks have tried to put a fine point on sharing hearsay with the police as if cops can't use it as a reason to commence investigating what appears to be a crime. That doesn't wash.
It may not be usable in court, but a cop can gather information from anywhere about anyone or anything. Someone can overhear a conversation about someone planning a crime and share that with a cop, who can perhaps keep a crime from being committed or at least help to solve a crime after the fact.
For example, if you hear a creep talking about how his brother said he's going to stick up a store, are you not supposed to tell the cops and prevent a robbery or worse?
How 'bout if he says his cousin's got a hidey hole in the park where all the fine looking girls go by and he's gonna get some of that whether they like it or not?
You can't testify that you heard the crime being planned, but you can share the info and save a lot of grief for a lot of people.
Take a look at "The Lords of Bakersfield" to learn how a group of prominent "Closet Queens" ran the city Gubmint, Courts, Media etc and groomed their "young boys" to become the next generation to run Bakersfield, California. Quite interesting when one looks at the power structure of a lot of towns.
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So whom else agrees with the MSM that these kiddie piddlers might well end up being the biggest story of the decade ?
Well , not me .
Sorry I don't ever read them nor any other Marxist rag including newsweek. I'll just read your comments.
I did. And I did. And then I cried for those children.
I didn't read all of that.
Can somebody tell me if there is more to it than McQueary seeing a dude molest a kid in the shower, telling Paterno, the A.D., and the vice president of finance, and Paterno telling the A.D. and the president?
That looks like a conspiracy to an organized cover-up, but the state law required McQueary to tell the people in charge of the place, not the cops.
The VP/AD/president, being the people in charge (maybe Paterno would qualify for this group, but the cops say not) are the ones who should be charged as accessories to the rapes.
I made it to page 5 and I just couldn't go on.
Sick, disgusting and ugly EVIL!
There is no punishment too great for this.....
I am standing with Ted Nugent.
Dead offenders cannot be reoffenders.
dirty!!!
This is a classic story of how a pedophile grooms his victims. That the asshole was caught in the shower raping a 10 year old boy by a university coaching assistant and nothing was done (other than taking away his locker room keys) is proof that the whole athletic program should be terminated. Paterno knew and did not immediately call the police.
Is there any crime greater than an adult stealing innocence from a child by perverting a beautiful thing God gave for married couples to seal their love and raise a family? Maybe there is, by those who know the abuse is taking place and they do nothing! Where is their conscience? How much energy or how many drugs does one need to suppress the knowledge this abuse is taking place with nothing being done to stop it? By what process are people like this raised in our society? These sexual abusers and enablers should be given no quarter, even a quick exit, so as to receive their just desserts, this is the justice called for! OOPS: DA Who Never Charged Sandusky Has Been Missing Since 2005
HE WILL BE GOOD WHEN HE GETS TO PRISON. CONVICTS DONT TAKE THIS KINDA STUFF LIGHTLY. BASH HIS HEAD IN AND SUCH.LIKE MOST MEN IN POWER THEY ARE PEDOPHILES. I HAVE HEARD ALOT OF POLITICIANS ARE PEDO'S AS WELL.BOTH REPS AND DEMS.
Paterno knew and did not immediately call the police.--Anon@8:47 AM
Even if this is not considered to be a civil offense in Pennsylvania, it ought to be(misprison of felony immediately comes to mind) and it is without any doubt the blackest of moral failings. ;^(
MALTHUS
I read the first page, then stopped. I have two sons, 2 1/2 and 4 months. I don't need that. I have enough to worry about. I know what the charges are, and I know about the Franklin Cover up. I know what I need to know.
I respectfully disagree;
1. As far as I can tell, Paterno had no legal, civil duty to call the cops;
2. This grand jury finding has nothing to do with the alleged incident for which he was fired;
3. The last time I checked (day before yesterday) no victim had come forward. Without a victim there can be no crime. That being said, the law most definitely is an ass sometimes.
Paterno's failing was not a civil one. It was a moral one. "Joe, you shoulda called the cops", sez I. In trying to protect his beloved University, he failed the kid AND failed the University. His motives were probably pure, but his execution was not. FWIW, I don't think he was trying to protect Sandusky.
Also, FWIW, I'm a cop who's sole duty is to investigate cases of child sexual abuse for the District Attorney. I don't care anything about JoePA.
Mike, thanks for all your work with Gunrunner. Burn 'em, my friend.
How is this guy avoiding flying .223's? Bunch of pansies up in Happy Valley.
I tend to agree that McQueary did what he had to do - but not what he should have done. Considering he was around 28 years old at the time it seems he should have been able to figure out right from wrong immediately, without having to ask his Dad's advice. At best it is a moral failure rather than a legal failure but that should disqualify him from his job at the school.
A bigger issue (for me) is why the police failed to prosecute in '98 when they had a child an mother make a complaint. If they felt they didn't have enough information they should have kept at gathering facts until a case could be made. Certainly that could have been done in less then 12 years.
The school needs a complete house cleaning and likely the local DAs office and police force. Little is being said or written about them.
Good God.
However, an evil that a 38 slug to the temple would end permanently. Joe Paterno's duty as management was quite clear in this case. He failed that duty miserably. May God have mercy on his soul.
You're just all so judgemental! It was in that poor man's genes for him to want to share the act of love with a child. How can you blame him? (bitter sarc button off!)
This is just the next step when you allow the Queer nation to have their way in defining deviance down through their "Heather Has Two Mommies" education programs!
Not trying to piss anyone off, only trying to gather insight.
As I try to put myself in JoePa's shoes, if someone were to come to me and say "psst, Mike V. or someone I know molested that child". I honestly don't think I would have gone to the cops. Before anyone pops a microchip on me, let me say why then I would like to listen to feedback.
The reason I wouldnt have gone to the cops is because since I was not a witness it would be merely heresay. If the crime happened it would be incumbant upon the actuall witness to go to the cops. I would council said person to go to the cops and would do everything in my power to assure the truth comes to the surface. But if the witness decides not to go to the cops then i would assume that he was probably not telling the truth. The mere existence of a rumor of this type can and will ruin a person. I don't know how I would sleep at night if I fell for some persons malicious rumor and called the cops and ruin an innocent person.
If you guys were in joe's shoes would you have immediately gone to the police?
@ JJET -
No 'victim' means no crime?
Did you actually INTEND to write that???
So if someone raped your one year old daughter, secretly, and she couldn't speak... or buggered your elderly father in a nursing home, who'd had a stroke and couldn't talk, that would be perfectly cool with you, right? Hey, if your kid or your Dad were unable to 'come forth', then who's to say aything wrong went on?
And you claim to be a COP???
God help any kid who expects help from someone like you!
Maybe someday you can meet Joren Vandersloot and have a beer - after all, no body, no crime. Right?
Paterno fulfilled his legal responsibility but not his moral one. I had to ask myself if I had been he...reported a child rape to my boss...then continued to see the perp at work everyday...wouldn't that put up a major flag? Answer was Oh hell yeah it would. I'd be in all their faces. As far as I'm concerned they are ALL guilty including McQueary. Maybe him more so than Paterno because he didn't rip the dick off that homosexual child molester the day he saw him do the deed.
Biggest story of the decade? LOL Yeah they wish it would be so people had somebody other than their boy obama to spit at.
Marquice-
If you guys were in joe's shoes would you have immediately gone to the police?
November 14, 2011 4:04 PM
If I were Joe, I would have told McQueary to go to the cops, and NOT the campus cops. I'd also try to find out who the kid's Guardian Ad Litem was, and put them on the case.
I would also like to add that being accused of something doesn't mean one did it. and further I would add that more so than any other crime, an accusation of sexual assault on a child, in particular, and sexual assaults in general, tends to elicit a response from most people that tends to shut off their brain to the possibility of the accused actually being innocent, or for that matter any type of impartiality toward the accusation. In my opinion, the false use of that accusation is being used against Sgt Dyer right now. and remember it was not too long in the recent past where those boys at duke university were drug through hell on a rape accusation that turned out to be false. And if you remember back further, there was the Day care thing, where it went on and on, and it was finally figured out that the accusations were false, there was even a movie about that one.
Sandunksy might be a piece os shit pedo, but just remember, false accusations of such activity are far from uncommon
Mr. White, Reservoir Dog Groomer,
Cool your jets partner.
Your ad hominem attack does nothing to prove or disprove my statement.
FWIW, under the eyes of the law if no victim can be found the State cannot prosecute the alleged perpetrator. Basic Law 101.
You, evidently, missed my comment that sometimes the law is indeed an ass.
And, no, I do not call myself a "cop" except as shorthand used in a post with limited space. I am a Peace Officer- an entirely different title than "cop". We Texans understand the difference. You may not. Hence I used that shorthand reference.
Do not presume to impugn my character, Sir, unless you care to do it to my face.
I will assume that your diatribe was the result of failing to understand the intent of my post or that I did not articulate my views properly, and let it go at that.
Deal?
Again, thanks for all you're doing, Mike.
If someone saw the "act " and did NOT put a stop to it right then & there ,then that person did wrong too ! I do not care who you are , IF I see it happening I will put a STOP to it !!! Afterward may be call the police maybe not.
Some folks have tried to put a fine point on sharing hearsay with the police as if cops can't use it as a reason to commence investigating what appears to be a crime. That doesn't wash.
It may not be usable in court, but a cop can gather information from anywhere about anyone or anything. Someone can overhear a conversation about someone planning a crime and share that with a cop, who can perhaps keep a crime from being committed or at least help to solve a crime after the fact.
For example, if you hear a creep talking about how his brother said he's going to stick up a store, are you not supposed to tell the cops and prevent a robbery or worse?
How 'bout if he says his cousin's got a hidey hole in the park where all the fine looking girls go by and he's gonna get some of that whether they like it or not?
You can't testify that you heard the crime being planned, but you can share the info and save a lot of grief for a lot of people.
Take a look at "The Lords of Bakersfield" to learn how a group of prominent "Closet Queens" ran the city Gubmint, Courts, Media etc and groomed their "young boys" to become the next generation to run Bakersfield, California. Quite interesting when one looks at the power structure of a lot of towns.
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