Monday, June 15, 2015

"Merging ATF into FBI is a formula for disaster."

"Son, you can't fix anything until you figure out why it broke." I concur.
MBV: Again, if John Dodson has worked for the FBI instead of ATF, his remains would have been found months later in the Arizona desert and no one would have ever heard of Fast and Furious.

4 comments:

Anonymous said...

This has been proposed before shortly after they screwed the pooch at Waco. The primary reason it didn't happen then is still the primary reason it won't happen now. BATFE has around 5000 personnel. FBI regards them as uncontrollable thugs. FBI only wants controllable thugs. Apparently FBI has final call on taking BATFE's surplussed people or not. That leaves open the question of what to do with 5000 people, most of whom have some sort of Civil Service protection and/or vested pension rights.

FBI won't take them. You can't fire them without cause. And layoffs under Civil Service rules can be quite messy and time consuming.

BATFE ain't going anywhere.

Anonymous said...

Tobacco is already partially transferred to USDA. More "regulatory authority" of it will be transferred here and there as time passes. This attrition tactic is how pensions will be dealt with outside outright transfers to other alphabet agencies. as this occurs, the current ATF will just fade away into obscurity. rules made will be struck down as time passes, judicially, and other entities (probably states themselves) will take up "rules" of their own. The NRA state preemption) act plays into this path.

The way to destroy the ATF is to do a full court press judicially. It is truly the only way. We must nail the "laws" that it uses to make "rules" all the while refusing to vote for those who FUND ATF. Another path is to elect a President who simply refuses to reform (form again) that entity called the BATFE. Unlikely, but it is possible.

HappyClinger said...

Well, if the FBI can acquire and deploy a fleet of aircraft to fly over major US cities for the last DECADE unbeknownst to Congress that supposedly has to approve funding for such things, and the ATF can supply drug cartels with weapons paid for with US taxpayer money so they can push gun control in violation of our Constitution, and NO ONE IS IN JAIL YET, a merger of the two entities would indicate what it's time to do and quick. I'd repeat it here but I don't want to go to jail for trying to uphold the law.

Anonymous said...

Back in 1993 after the Waco massacre someone asked the head of the Secret Service why they didn't merge the ATF the FBI and the Secret Service. He replied that When you mix dirty water with clean water you end up with DIRTY water........