Tuesday, June 22, 2010

Loose lips sink ships. And more is drowning here than McChrystal's career.



This story did not happen accidentally. There is a struggle for control of the military. It is not exclusively between Oath Keepers and Oath Breakers but that is one of the fault lines. I repeat, this story did not happen accidentally and it is not really about dissing the Obamanoids.

37 comments:

dakotas5 said...

I have to agree with you sir, maybe not for the all the same reasons. I'm sure a lot of them are the same though. Have been thinking all morning that a McChrystal/Palin ticket may help get this country headed back towards were it needs to be.

Anonymous said...

Be thankful that a struggle for control of the military exists. The [divided/split] military may ultimately prove to be the patriot's best ally and source of trained personnel. A military that is internally split and under multiple splits / struggles for control is not one that is effective at controling or harming the US population. It also hints at severe morale problem.

Anonymous said...

The good General folded like a lawn chair. If he actually had any balls he would have realized once that article hit the press his career in the Army is done. He should have nutted up and came out saying "you damn right I said those things and I will now resign and spend my time in public doing everything I can to opose this administration". Alas he resorted to the now canned response "I am sorry that people heard what I said in not so private circumstances. My inability to understand that there is no such thing as off the record has resulted in someone hearing what I actually think about them. I am not man enough to admit that I actually do think these people are douche bags so I offer my most contrived appologies"


Grenadier1

MikeH. said...

If that control is grabbed, we better pray the masses, in the military, will be the Keepers and not the breakers.

MikeH.
III
http://behindtheparapet.blogspot.com

Chuck Martel said...

As I read the article, there are no direct quotes from McChrystal. What you have are quotes attributed to him from anonymous sources or quotes attributed to unknown members of his staff. I wouldn't put much stock in it.

Anonymous said...

This Ain't Hell is also following this story:
http://thisainthell.us/blog/

B Woodman
III-per

Taylor H said...

Looks like American public opinion isn't the only thing that's sharply divided.

Anonymous said...

You may be right.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0610/38842.html

Allah Hugh Fubar said...

Well - first, the man surely knows where the sympathies of Rolling Stone magazine lie - pro left, pro Obongo, uber liberal. So he and his staffers couldn't have thought that their comments would go into a vacuum.

Second - I personally haven't had much use for Generals in recent years, exceptions being Schwartzkopf and Petraeus, so when Obongo hand picked one to be his personal servant, I didn't expect much. And I seem to be watching a replay of the 'policy against victory' that turned our years in Vietnam into a debacle... telling our guys to avoid areas where they might have to use lethal force... WTF????????? That would mean stay in the barracks, listen to some music, play a few hands of poker and walk the perimeter now and again. As I have said before, when the 'brassholes' make up the rules of engagement, there is NO correlation between their rules and real life. Don't fire unless fired upon?? Don't dust that raghead s.o.b until after you see if his RPG really hits your guys, or if he was just playing around????

Word is, Obongo has already picked a successor for Mac. First he just needs to get Major Hassan out of a minor legal glitch down at Fort Hood, but with Eric Holder being his puppet, and Gates being his clown, it shouldn't be long before Hassan is over in the sandbox calling in arty fire toward the infidels.

Anonymous said...

He just resigned. Amazing how fast that happened, huh?

http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2010/06/22/latest-mcchrystal-developments/

Anonymous said...

I have to admit I'm having a hard time making sense of this. Was GEN McChrystal blindsided by the author of the article? If so, it's hard to feature that GEN McChrystal didn't know what his aides were saying to the reporter, or that what they were saying would likely end up in print. Or was he set up by some of his subordinates? If so, why? And what about what GEN McChrystal allegedly said? He had to know what the likely result would be, given Obama's arrogance, narcissism, and paranoia.

If anyone could expand on and clarify this issue in the comments, I'd be grateful. And Mike, as always, I'd welcome your further insights.

Dave
III

Dennis308 said...

Just hope the Majority of the Military feels the same way about Obumass as these Soldiers do.
It would be nice knowing that even if they couldn't support US they would not be against US.

Dennis
III
Texas

Anonymous said...

As far as I can tell, this story is about the divide between fighting generals and political generals and the supporters of each kind and which kind is going to run the military. I would have said Gen. McChrystal was a fighting general because of his prior SOCOM command; not sure about that today WRT the ROE in Afghanistan. Gen. Casey of Fort Hood is undoubtedly a political general; to wit, his denial of Islamic terrorism. I can see what you mean, Mike, about a fault line between Oath Keepers vs Oath breakers, but I don't know that it's the defining line. Tell me more of your reasoning.

Ahab said...

General McCrystal is a man of honor, who is unafraid to speak his mind. He's been called naive, not politically astute, a significant failing in the politically correct military of the present day. If we had more McCrystals we wouldn't have the politically stifled military and naval service we have, now. Admiral Mullen, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs is a prime example of PC run amuck, and one of the worst examples of leadership coming out of the pentagon in decades. If the Obummer fires McCrystal, I hope the general takes it back to him by running for president. I think he'd win against the Obummer.

pdxr13 said...

Barry can fire Gen. McChrystal at any time for any or no reason, but for what advantage? Would it be for pure personal payback, or is the General too effective for someones liking?

We could have the first General Officer POTUS since IKE in 2012 if things work out just right. Is there an uncontaminated Rep./T-P VP-candidate in the house?

This might be an acceptable scenario for Mrs. Clinton and Mr. Emanuel, who both are curiously silent recently.

Cheers.

Anonymous said...

So now we see how truly tight wound our president is if a few wise cracks made about the white house staff made Obama angry! Guess he doesn't believe in free speech and expression if he is considering firing someone for saying something critical.

Anonymous said...

This is barely the beginning.
Obummer knows he's in deep doo-doo......as are we all.

Anonymous said...

This is smoke and mirrors to divert our attention from the multitude of the administration's ongoing failures.

Anonymous said...

If a reporter sat in our office...?

AFSC 2A5*3

Anonymous said...

Administration failures, as Anonymous at 5:17 pm said? Oh no, my man. Obama knows exactly what he is doing: he's trying to destroy this country and he's got a good start on it. Things like foreign wars and outspoken generals merely distract him from destroying the US economy and our republican democracy. Wake up!

Dakota said...

I have been puzzled by this somewhat. First of all the General is not a fool. He did the interview with "Rolling Stone" for pete's sake. He knew what he was doing and did it on purpose.

Remember .....nothing in politics happens by accident. I don't know why .... but I think we may find out down the road.

I hate coincidences also .... they make me very nervous

Anonymous said...

After reading the Rolling Stones article, I see nothing wrong with what Gen. McCrystal had said. The majority of anti-Obama rhetoric and opinions where those of the author. Though even if it were Gen. McCryastal expressing them, I would see no problem.

Anonymous said...

My take is that he was tired of the BS. Planned on retiring (or getting fired), and was the spokesman for a lot of people. When your superior tells you to jump on a cooked grenade, you tell him to puck off. And he did.

Kansas Scout said...

You are completely correct as usual. This was a set up job. This will cause a lot of shit to spray in all directions with nobody spared. No winners here. If your read the article carefully, McCrystal said nothing wrong!

Anonymous said...

Sometimes there is a very superficial layer to the current political agenda. That alone will mask the inevitable.
Look at http://www.debka.com/
and http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/Flash.aspx/177235

OK maybe you have no interest in the biblical conditions of our situation. It is beyond now our fore fathers and our predestined ideology because so many have trumped the lie of what is and what was. .02

Keep up with ISREAL as an indicator. Obama regime bent X2 on destruction. Next phase is survival not winning back our beloved country we will fight for that later now survival. Weird I know but put it in a sack and carry it for a snack later.

There is a much bigger storm coming. Unless we turn a few degrees. O K nuff said.

Kansas Scout said...

Keep in mind the very large recent appearance of our fleet in the Gulf next to Iran. War is imminent there. To change Commanders in Afgan would be insane right now. The mideast is about to go shtf . This will be another demonstration of Obammers incompetence.

monkeyfan said...

My gut feeling is that the General is getting out of Dodgeganistan while the getting's good.

WV: pusnesse

Yup. That's apparently what he called 0bama.

Anonymous said...

McChrystal, CFR POS
http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/usnews/foreign-policy/3849-gen-mcchrystal-goes-to-washington-

Wayne B

Crustyrusty said...

McChrystal is crazy.

Like a fox.

He knows what he's doing.

Witchwood said...

The article is mostly irrelevant. McChrystal should have been canned long ago for his adherence to "COIN," a false ideology that has wasted God-knows how much blood and treasure and kept this country in an unwinnable conflict in Afghanistan. Diana West sums it up well.

This is not someone I want in the White House. I don't want a hockey mom there either. If this country makes it to 2012 I want someone who will cease thinking that the United States is the policeman of the world, liquidate foreign bases, and discharge half the military.

Pat H. said...

Witchwood, you're right on the money, except the US government's military could be 90% smaller than it is today and do it's duty, it's ONLY duty, that is to defend America.

McChrystal is one of the most corrupt officers in the military today, millions if not billions of dollars have simply become missing during his tour in Iraq, likely the same has happened in Afghanistan too. Why else would the corrupt, murderous, drug peddling Karzai voice support for McChrystal? It isn't because they're drinking buddies.

McCrystal and Palin would be a disaster in the executive branch, they'd be tools of the neocons, more of what we need the least.

Kerry said...

Of McChrystal or President 'Noisome Pestilence', (Psalm 91), which is more skilled in strategy and tactics? Of course he knew the Pestilence would respond, and of course he would (pretend to?) apologize, and probably be called to the WH. Can he now then give Mr, Pestilence a piece of his mind, damn the torpedoes (or being forced to resign), full speed ahead...?

Look at Pres. Pestilence's quick responses to Sen. Harmon on his 'shakedown' comments, the "You lie!" quick turnaround, the "I don't have all the facts but clearly the police acted stupidly" and other instances I cannot recall. Pres. Pestilence pushes a narrative, but takes no real action. Thoughts...?

Terence said...

This guy pulls a Cronkite on you, and you're all supporting his defeatist statements? Good.

Anonymous said...

There is no value in closing our overseas bases, at least not most of them. And our military is already understaffed and should be about 2 million active duty. While I agree Afghanistan is a mistake the way it is being prosecuted I do think we have a role there. But it should be a ruthless search and destroy not a no win shooting gallery.

Anonymous said...

Perhaps MCCrystal - perfumed prince though he is - is also an oath keeper and preferrd being fired by Obama to being ordered to lose by Obama.

Anonymous said...

I'm not shedding a single tear for McChrystal. As Allah Hugh Fubar wrote at June 22, 2010 11:06 AM: "....I personally haven't had much use for Generals in recent years....". I agree and McChrystal, who should have known better, was one of the morons who VOTED for Barak Hussein Obama !

How appropriate....McChrystal put his faith in obama and obama showed him the door.

DAN
III

Anonymous said...

In regards to the earlier comment about Adm. Mullen being PC run-amok, all I have to say is that I served under Mullin before he hit 4-star. He was *very* much a "Bow and kiss my ring" "enlisted are here to do the work and not be seen/heard from as they are less than people" type person. When he cycled out, I was fucking happy.