Sons of Liberty burn and sack the house of the Massachusetts lieutenant governor, Thomas Hutchinson. To all free Americans who still hold dear the Founders' vision of a constitutional Republic and who wish to remain free --
Nancy Pelosi's Intolerable Act is within days of passage by devious means so corrupt and twisted that even members of her own party recoil in disgust.
This act will order all of us to play or pay, and if we do not wish to, we will be fined.
If we refuse to pay the fine out of principle, we will be jailed.
If we resist arrest, we will be killed.
They will send the Internal Revenue Service and other federal police to do this in thousands of small Wacos, if that is what it takes to force us to submit.
This arrogant elite pretends that this oppression is for our own good, while everyone else understands that this is about their selfish, insatiable appetite for control over our liberty, our money, our property and our lives.
The majority of the people have made it plain that they do not want this tyrannical transfer of power wrapped in soft lies.
It does not matter.
Pelosi and her ilk apparently do not understand that this Intolerable Act has some folks so angry that they are ready to resist their slow-rolling revolution against the Founders' Republic by force of arms. Why should they? For in the past seventy-five years of being pushed back continually from the free exercise of our God-given rights to life, liberty and property, WE HAVE NEVER SHOVED BACK. Rather, it was we, the law-abiding, who backed up each time, grumbling.
These are collectivists. They do not hear you grumble. They do not, it is apparent after the past year of town halls and Tea Parties and nose-diving opinion polls, hear you SHOUT. They certainly do not hear the soft "snik-snik" of cleaning rods being used on millions of rifle barrels in this country by people who have decided that their backs are to the wall, politics and the courts no longer are sufficient to the task of defending their liberties, and they must make their own arrangements.
The Imperial Democrats do not care what you think. They will not hear you. They are every bit as arrogant and isolated as King George the Third was from the liberty-loving American colonists in 1775.
And yet, if we are to avoid civil war, we must get their attention BEFORE the IRS thug parties descend upon us each in turn -- when we will be forced into dozens of defensive slaughters and then, to end it, forced yet again to call Pelosi and the other architects of this war upon their own people to final account.
We are the law-abiding of this country, yes. We always have been. But when the "law" is distorted and twisted into an unconstitutional means of oppression, backed by the entire weight of the federal Leviathan, it is not "law" at all, but mere illegitimate force.
John Locke said it best:
"Whenever the legislators endeavor to take away and destroy the property of the people, or to reduce them to slavery under arbitrary power, they put themselves into a state of war with the people, who are thereupon absolved from any further obedience."
When the law becomes a deadly tool of tyranny, it is no longer a good thing to be obedient and "law-abiding." It is, in fact, suicidal.
Yet, given the federal mandarins' willful ignorance of our very existence and conviction that we have no opinions that they are bound to respect, is there anything that can be done to prevent civil war?
Yes, there is.
We can emulate the Sons of Liberty of old.
We can break their windows.
These windows are not far away from where you are reading this right now. In virtually every city and county in this land, there is a local headquarters of Pelosi's party -- the Democrat party. These headquarters invariably have windows. When the Sons of Liberty wanted to express their opposition to the actions of the King's ministers, they would gather in front of the homes and offices of his tax-collectors and government officials in Boston or New York and break their windows. Glass was expensive. The King's minions were often the most well-to-do. The Sons of Liberty hit them in their pocketbooks.
Most importantly, however, was the message to the royal functionaries that there are personal consequences for oppressing your fellow citizens. The King is far away, and you are here, among us, the people.
This is the message that modern Sons of Liberty should get across to the Royalists of today. Now. Before we have to resort to rifles to resist their "well intentioned" tyranny.
This is not to say that the GOP (I refuse to call them "Republicans" for that is a misuse of the word) does not bear a large measure of responsibility for the situation we find ourselves in today. However, they have opposed this Intolerable Act. Yet, if we do a thorough job of breaking Democrat windows, I am sure that the GOP will profit from the example.
So, if you wish to send a message that Pelosi and her party cannot fail to hear, break their windows.
Break them NOW.
Break them and run to break again. Break them under cover of night. Break them in broad daylight. Break them and await arrest in willful, principled civil disobedience. Break them with rocks. Break them with slingshots. Break them with baseball bats.
But BREAK THEM.
The time has come to take your life, your liberty and that of your children and grandchildren into your own two hands and ACT.
It is, after all, more humane than shooting them in self defense.
And if we do a proper job, if we break the windows of hundreds, thousands, of Democrat party headquarters across this country, we might just wake up enough of them to make defending ourselves at the muzzle of a rifle unnecessary.
Sons of Liberty, this is your time.
Break their windows.
Break them NOW.
And Nancy, if this be sedition, if this be treason in your eyes, then make the most of it.
Mike Vanderboegh
PO Box 926
Pinson, AL 35126
GeorgeMason1776@aol.com
http://sipseystreetirregulars.blogspot.com
If you agree with this message, spread it far and wide. The night is coming, and there are many windows to break. We'll need all the help we can muster.
LATER: There are those who feel that I have crossed a Rubicon here, and perhaps I have. I can only say that while wading the river, I met Nancy and her fellow jackasses coming the other way. I rather suspect they will make the opposite bank first. -- MBV
178 comments:
It is time. Now. Do it. I want to see this making news all over America in the next 48 hours.
Operations Order #1?
Gee, I'd love to, but they haven't come back since our last town hall meeting :)
Article IV, Section 4, of the Constitution of the United States of America:
"The United States shall guarantee to every state in this union a republican form of government, and shall protect each of them against invasion; and on application of the legislature, or of the executive (when the legislature cannot be convened) against domestic violence."
The federal government, if they pass this 'bill' has abrogated the Constitution. I'm a veteran, and if they no longer adhere to their oaths to support and defend it, neither am I obliged to abide by their diktats.
Alea Jacta Est? We shall see.
"Extremism in the Defense of Liberty is No Vice"
Barry Goldwater
So what do we write on the stones?
"So what do we write on the stones?"
NO
If they will not come to you then seek them out.
Track them down in their lairs and strike their windows with your 3% stones!
I want to be the first to say it
"LETS ROLL!"
Grenadier1
I will follow your advice because I've had it up to here. But let me ask you a question. Is this our Fort Sumter?
Passing it along.
Our Republic is facing a crisis the likes of which has not been seen since the Founding Fathers fought to free us from the tyranny of King George III. The time grows short. Before all out civil war breaks, we must give the tyrants in Washington something to think about.
patrickhenry3
Seems like a bad idea to me. The legal proceedings would tie up our own resources, time and attention. It would look like plain hooliganism and the political message would get lost in the noise of the media coverage.
Doing a light injury to the enemy and then standing to receive the return volley seems unwise to me.
Anonymous said... "I will follow your advice because I've had it up to here. But let me ask you a question. Is this our Fort Sumter?"
No. Fort Sumter was fired on by artillery. INITIATING conflict by daedly shots fired unilaterally whether bullets, bombs or artillery shells constitutes a Fort Sumter.
Rocks through windows are subtle hints compared to that.
Mike
III
The local DemParty office is a mail drop at a UPS Store.
Maybe I'll mail them the rock...
Oleg,
In Europe it might be put down to "hooliganism," here, especially if it happens in many places, it will strike the enemy between the ears like a thunderclap.
In any case, we have a moral responsibility to warn them, before shooting becomes necessary.
Mike
III
As an aside to this post, I just rec'd an ammo order from Mike's recommendation (AIM) on an earlier thread. A poster questioned/heard rumors about the quality. Don't worry. This stuff is beautiful.
Folks:
Use your imaginations.
The objective is communication.
The means are almost limitless.
Hypothetical example: anyone have access to a "honey truck" (septic pump-out tank)?
If I did, I would be sending a very special and copious message.
Worth the time to read...
http://wcvarones.blogspot.com/2010/03/think-youll-get-revenge-in-november.html
Anonymous (March 19, 2010 9:03 AM) said..."I will follow your advice because I've had it up to here. But let me ask you a question. Is this our Fort Sumter?"
No Sir! we are throwing rocks, NOT bullets!
-BubbaMan
Is it premature to do this BEFORE they actually pass Obamacare?
Yes,
Taking It To the Streets time has arrived.
If someone were to circulate all the home addresses and names of all the family members of the congress critters that are attacking us, it might get some attention.
If we let them drive us to violence, they've won. That's exactly what they want, exactly what they say about us. We've got to hit them in a way that really hurts - we have to impeach them. Various groups are drawing up articles of impeachment. We must also vote in a conservative House and conservative senators in Nov. who will not only impeach but who will dismantle all the unconstitutional laws on te books and get rid of the bloated govt.
Violence only plays into the LEftist's hands - it gives them an excuse to use repressive actions, like martial law. That's exactly what they want - don't give it to them.
http:/heirsinhope.blogspot.com
SueK:
Thanks for the link.
Think You'll Get Revenge in November? Think Again.
III on my rocks. Which window should I break first? If this bill passes we will cancel our current policy so we that can stand strong with our fellow patriots.
NIP
III
If I had $20 to bet with, I'd bet that it says come Monday, every single Dem party HQ window in America is alive, well, and unbroken come Monday morning.
Every single one.
Anonymous @ 10:27am just issued a dare!
Drusilla -- Quite honestly, I'm tired of hearing that argument.
It's like the rapist who says he is going to have his way with you regardless if he has your consent or not. You do not have a choice in the matter, for you are going to be victimized by him one way or another. Some would say, don't fight because rapists are actually wanting to control you and they enjoy it when you resist.
He wins even if you fight so give in and let him have his way, right? I don't think so!
You have a chance of not being a victim ONLY if you fight with such passion that he cannot control you. There is a small chance you might still be a victim in the end, but you'll hurt him in the process too. If you are totally successful he will never try to victimize anyone else ever again.
Obama knows most Americans will submit because they will choose peace over war any day. He is counting on any resistance to be small enough to contain as if we were a pesky gnat invading his picnic. He hasn't counted on the uprising being too great to contain and that is his weakness. We need to be like a Grizzly which invades a picnic and sends everyone running for their lives.
@ drusilla
BWAHAHA yes your blessed "conservatives" will save you won't they? Fat chance of that.
Making a statement like this will not help the cause. Your local media will simply crack it up to a bunch of angry republicans. they will ignore the message or the intent of the action.
Though I am with Concerned ... I think a honey truck incident would be hilarious.
I don't have a solution ... but I do know that announcing plans like this is dumb as hell. Do you honestly think that the NSA doesn't track blogs like this? Unless everyone here is running through an onion router, you've just showed your hand before the poker game is up.
The last time I heard a man dare my Dad, my Dad killed him with 1 shot. Never dare a man!
For those needing a little more anonymity. A thick piece of glass thrown through the air in poor lighting is hard to see. And will most likely be lost in the debris of the window.
Not that I have or would ever do such a thing.
Walking in a group as one throws the stone is good cover as long as nobody talks.
It is hard to pull fingerprints off of rough surfaces like knurled metal or the threads of bolts don't touch the smooth parts.
Beware the lessons of history.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kristallnacht
Drusilla : With much respect - those words are indicative of the attitude that has caused one retreat after another for decades. The thought that "we can't let ourselves become like them!" is so often used to justify inaction, to allow us to shrink from doing that which is truly horrible but necessary. The same sentiment could have been used to avoid involvement in fighting Nazi Germany.... or the British Crown in the 1700s.
As far as any challenges from someone who signs himself "Anonymous" - that is worth a chuckle, eh?
My $20 bet is NOT "a dare."
It's a commentary on the nature of Internet commandos.
All talk. All bluster.
And that's it.
That, or agents provocateur trying to get the easily-stirred ones to identify themselves through easily-tracked acts of vandalism.
Hey, anybody want to face terrorism charges for breaking a couple of windows?
You think you WON'T get charged with terrorism under the Patriot Act?
Go ahead....do it....because Mike Vanderboegh told you to.
Two points:
Anonymous said... "Beware the lessons of history. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kristallnacht" March 19, 2010 11:48 AM
Big difference: Kristallnacht was agents of the party that controlled the government terrorizing innocent citizens. What we are talking about is breaking the windows of the party that controls the government to restrain that party from further attacking innocent citizens.
The only commonality is broken glass.
Then big, brave darer Anonymous sez:
"My $20 bet is NOT 'a dare.' It's a commentary on the nature of Internet commandos. All talk. All bluster. And that's it.
That, or agents provocateur trying to get the easily-stirred ones to identify themselves through easily-tracked acts of vandalism. Hey, anybody want to face terrorism charges for breaking a couple of windows? You think you WON'T get charged with terrorism under the Patriot Act? Go ahead....do it....because Mike Vanderboegh told you to." March 19, 2010 12:07 PM
Uh, huh.
I have put my name on the line for a sedition charge. Anyone who busts a window will put themselves on the line. What then do YOU put on the line, Mr. brave Anonymous? Talk about all bluster. Hell, you won't even sign your real name to a position supporting the tyrannical regime. What a putz.
We have a duty to warn people before shooting them. Breaking windows does that.
Mike Vanderboegh
While I'm totally behind the sentiment, the action is misplaced.
If violence of any kind is brought to bear against any elected representative at this time, their response will be to post Marines at their offices and go further into seclusion.
Furthermore, on a purely forensic level, anybody who chucks a rock through a windows will probably be found. When that happens, my advice is simply:
Don't pick up the soap.
You don't know who you're messing with, here. They consider ourselves our rulers. They'll be nice as long as we're nice: the moment we're not, they'll simply become harsher rulers.
They consider themselves our rulers. They have access to a military more powerful than any in human history. No modern freedom movement can possibly win against it. If you think you can, you haven't been paying attention for the last century.
In the end, all you have to do for this to end is ... nothing.
Just continue to use black and gray markets rather than those regulated by government. Pay just enough of your taxes to stay off the radar -- and out of jail. Continue preparing yourselves for the ultimate bankruptcy and collapse of the Federal Government, because it's coming. Soon.
Don't throw rocks, don't shoot guns, and don't do anything but sit at home where you're safe. The Federal Government is bankrupt and will not be able to pay for extravagances like health care for very long.
It's long past the point of no return: any fool can recognize an asymptotic curve, and that's what both Federal spending and the public debt have become.
There's no way out but economic collapse. It's coming. Just be prepared and stay out of any fights that might put you in jail during it.
Sit tight. It won't be long, now.
O.K. Mike you cast the first stone. Don't be suprised to find the homes of the congressman guarded. Standing around to be arrested??? Are those FEMA detention camps real? One way to find out.
Such a historical statement, simply on geography:
29 Main Street, Suite 3
Montpelier, VT 05602
105 N. State Street
Concord NH 03301
16 Winthrop Street
August, ME 04330
249 Roosevelt Ave, Suite 202
Pawtucket, RI 02860
56 Roaldn Street, Suite 203
Boston, MA 02129
330 Main Street, 3rd Fl.
Hartford, CT 06106
Yay!
MVB, et al.,
Awhile back a govt agency weapons procurement list was published on this site & caused quite a bit of speculation about how said weapons would be used. An item by Michael Geer dated 16 March on the American Thinker blog may give some clue about the intent of the Imperium should Obamacare be enacted. See it here:
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2010/03/obamacares_new_public_health_w.html
And if that doesn't work for some reason, go to the American Thinker site, then go to the bottom of the American Thinker Blog column & click More Blog Entries, scroll down to the March 16 entries & look for the one entitled ObamaCare's New Public Health Workforce Corps.
I agree w/ Drusilla & Oleg's point that rock throwing will be used as a pretext for "justified" LE action from the Imperium, I also agree w/ CA's strictly hypothetical use of a septic truck as a means to protest. And that caused me to recall that the S.D.S. did something similar when they took over a building during the 1968 "Days of Rage" riots in Chicago but used balloons filled w/ slop jar contents on the cops arrayed below them. From what I've read, the method worked well & w/ the addition of an explanation written on the balloon such a means might be ideal for getting a point across. And besides, you KNOW how the Left HATES having THEIR ideas used against THEM!
Cassandra (of Troy)
To William Stone III:
I can only quote Patrick Henry in response to your comments.
"They tell us, sir, that we are weak; unable to cope with so formidable an adversary. But when shall we be stronger? Will it be the next week, or the next year? Will it be when we are totally disarmed, and when a British guard shall be stationed in every house? Shall we gather strength by irresolution and inaction? Shall we acquire the means of effectual resistance by lying supinely on our backs and hugging the delusive phantom of hope, until our enemies shall have bound us hand and foot? Sir, we are not weak if we make a proper use of those means which the God of nature hath placed in our power. The millions of people, armed in the holy cause of liberty, and in such a country as that which we possess, are invincible by any force which our enemy can send against us. Besides, sir, we shall not fight our battles alone. There is a just God who presides over the destinies of nations, and who will raise up friends to fight our battles for us. The battle, sir, is not to the strong alone; it is to the vigilant, the active, the brave. Besides, sir, we have no election. If we were base enough to desire it, it is now too late to retire from the contest. There is no retreat but in submission and slavery! Our chains are forged! Their clanking may be heard on the plains of Boston! The war is inevitable--and let it come! I repeat it, sir, let it come.
It is in vain, sir, to extenuate the matter. Gentlemen may cry, Peace, Peace-- but there is no peace. The war is actually begun! The next gale that sweeps from the north will bring to our ears the clash of resounding arms! Our brethren are already in the field! Why stand we here idle? What is it that gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!"
Further....
What do you think is going to happen when this economic collapse comes? The government will NOT dissolve. It will not just 'quit' and let you run your own life. No, when the economy finally collapses you'll see martial law declared to contain the rioting of the entitlement class. The crackdown will be so massive that we'll have NO CHANCE to avoid enslavement.
Let this come now, while we can do something about it.
Sean
PS. I post anonymously b/c I'd rather not sign up with google. Everyone knows the government is reading this....
Perhaps FedEx a rock to your Senators and Representatives... they'll get the point and you wont be arrested
And what of the 200 million rounds of 40 cal the Dept of Homeland Security just contracted... the shotguns for the IRS and the Dept of Education (?)....
Moody's has it right, the social fabric will be tested when severe austerity measures are forced on the government and all the folks dependent on the government will come up short.
Hunker down. .
I won't be breaking any windows. It didn't stop the war then, and I doubt it will now, either. Besides, we already have proof that when windows get broken, it is liberals trying to frame conservatives.
The war is coming, and when the the fighting starts I intend to be in the field, not in a cell. I have warned them with my words. If they don't take that seriously... well, as I said, the war is coming, regardless. We are past the point of recovery.
Don't like "deem and pass" or "Slaughter Solution"....there is a hint from Robert Gibbs that they'll be using this same tactic for Immigration Reform.
http://www.infowars.com/obama-congress-and-treason-against-the-constitution/
I know....Alex Jones can be a douchebag....but it's worth a look. The audio is straight out of Gibbs' mouth.
Sean
If any of you are contemplating putting our 4 day permit in jeopardy?
You best think about it...
You have no idea how tee'd off this cav cop is gonna be!
You will stand down!
When I sent this to my wife at work, she responded, "Why break the headquarters windows? Hell, break the windows in their homes, then they'll know that we know where they live!"
In deed.
Larry
III
The first rock (brick) has been thrown!
http://www.buffalonews.com/2010/03/19/993040/brick-thrown-through-window-in.html
Re: Patrick Henry
Noble words that do not bear much scrutiny in terms of modern America.
Henry lived at a time when a vast ocean separated North America from the rest of civilization. If it hadn't, there would have been no Revolution: simply a rebellion, put down quickly.
There is no ocean separating the governed from the government. Soldiers who can be nationalized at any time are stationed in every state: we call them the National Guard.
The weapons and materiele available to the government aren't single-shot muskets but the latest, most advanced weapons technology ever created.
The weapons available to the governed are (at best) semi-automatic rifles. Further, the overwhelming majority of the governed -- particular in America's metropoli -- do not own a weapon beyond kitchen utensils.
If you attempt to take on the Federal Government with anything like force, you will lose, pure and simple. Anyone who believes otherwise will go to an early grave -- and that won't be me, as I have constructive things to do post-fall of the Federal Government.
As to what will happen post-fall, I have no idea. I can tell you that anyone who thinks there will be an enforceable Martial Law simply hasn't thought it through.
Where do bullets come from? Manufacturers.
How does the Federal Government get bullets? They buy them.
What, then, will the Federal Government use to buy bullets when the money runs out?
By "run out" what I mean is that the coffers are empty: no government nor private individual will purchase worthless government paper (be it Treasury notes, government securities, or plain old currency).
Where will the government get the bullets then? No doubt they'll use what bullets they have to seize ammunitions manufacturers, but they don't have the manpower to seize enough of them to matter. Most of that manpower is overseas, in any case.
(As a side note, I feel very sorry for servicemen who will run out of bullets while stationed overseas. Most will die; those who live will have to live on the run or in hiding. They don't have a rosy future.)
In short, the fall of the Federal Government will be its fall.
Oh, there may still be something around that calls itself the Federal Government, but without money, it can make all the laws and proclamations it likes. The reality is that without money to feed the Beast, the Beast will die.
You just have to remember the terms we're talking about. It won't be a Federal Government that has even the ability to protect its citizens from invasion, let alone push them around.
Think in those terms. Protect yourself -- both physically and financially via precious metals.
Then get the hell out of the way. The Beast is going to die, but it will kill a lot of people in the process. Get as far away from it as you can.
What happened to "No Ft. Sumpters!", Mike?
I love a good "Rock Festival"
and as I always tell my kids, "bring your own rocks"
Dutchman6 said...
Two points:
Anonymous said... "Beware the lessons of history. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kristallnacht" March 19, 2010 11:48 AM
Big difference: Kristallnacht was agents of the party that controlled the government terrorizing innocent citizens. What we are talking about is breaking the windows of the party that controls the government to restrain that party from further attacking innocent citizens.
The only commonality is broken glass.
That is not how it will be sold. The sheeple won't be able to distinguish such minutia. Look at how Joe Stack was lumped in with Tim McVeigh.
This won't be just a war for tactical victory. We need to fight for hearts and minds too. We need something more symbolic.
Stand down? No, I dont think we will. How about you stand up?
Looks mighty quiet around here.
http://washingtonrebel.typepad.com/washington_rebel/2010/03/the-original-resistance.html
http://www.buffalonews.com/2010/03/19/993040/brick-thrown-through-window-in.html
Saw this on AR15.com. Louise Slaughter had a window broken in her Buffalo office last night from a brick.
I guess you can just send that $20 to Mike. He'll put it to good use.
http://www.buffalonews.com/2010/03/19/993040/brick-thrown-through-window-in.html
I tend to side with those who say "not yet". This is going to be an historic weekend, but it's not the end of the Republic if it passes or its salvation if it fails. If this monstrosity goes through, the lawsuits will be filed next week, and will take years to be decided. Chances are the country will collapse before anything happens.
In the meantime, I find comfort in a fact I believe I read here several months ago: in 2008 (last numbers available) there were 14 Million deer hunting licenses issued in this country. That means there are 14,000,000 people with high power rifles, skilled at hiding in the woods and stalking wary, wild animals. That number happens to be more than the size of the 10 largest armies in the world combined. And that doesn't include the other millions of gun owners who didn't get a deer license, but prefer duck hunting, turkey hunting, or other forms of hunting.
Now multiply that number of people by the radius a single rifle can cover.
It's my only hope of sleeping at night.
What 4 day permit? The Austin db permit? Or are you whining about possibly being called in to sweep up glass on your time off? In either case, I'll be sure to throw one just for you.
I absolutely love the idea, and the message it would send. But I must agree with numerous commenters, that I'd rather not be in a cell when the time to muster comes, which might be real soon... It's different today. Cops are everywhere, cameras, and brainwashed busybodies who'd love nothing more than to report a "crime". As it's been said, sometimes discretion is the better part of valor.....
Hmmm, you're the "law-abiding," and yet you incite people to break windows and riot here.
1209 Barley Mill Road, Wilmington, DE 19807
a Very sPecial person's address
Think of the interplay between the Bad People, the Bread-and-Circus People, and the Good People as a giant psyops game, in real time, with real blood, and with real consequences.
What conclusions do you think the Bad People are drawing from these comments?
Anyone who reads places like SSI and WRSA is already a dead man or woman, simply by being an anti-government "antisocial element", if the current Communists in DC have even a third of the grit their heroes in the USSR, PRC, and Kampuchea had.
Don't you understand that?
Don't you understand that if the NKVD, Gestapo, Stasi, or their equivalents elsewhere had the IT and other resources available today to the FedGov, those regimes would not have fallen?
You best get over the idea you are going to live through this little exercise.
You'll be a lot more effective and a lot happier, to boot.
Graybeard, I don't mean to ruin your sleep, but do you have any indication that any of those millions of Fudds have the moxie to do anything other than what Leviathan says?
I don't.
Deterrence has failed.
The Communists have measured the so-called American freedom fighters and said "feh".
Snyder called it right.
See y'all on the other side of the Styx.
Up the Republic!
Considering that 1)The GOP is nearly as culpable, and 2) a little maskirovka goes a long way,
I'd say break everyone's windows.
Also: an old bicycle inner tube is a giant rubber band. You can easily make a Very Large Slingshot which can be used from an alley or a vehicle, that is, outside the viewing area of any cameras.
For those of you who think this is a bad idea: I'm not saying it's a good one, but there have always been those who counsel holding back, it's not that bad yet. How long do you propose to wait? Do you believe that waiting for Leviathan to assault you in your neighborhood is really a good plan? There are 96 homes in my subdivision, and so far as I can tell, I'm the only Threeper here. If there's any way I can dictate the battlespace, I will keep those spray'n pray thugs as far from them as I can. Not that I'll get any thanks for it, but minimizing non-combatant casualties is very much in our best interest.
Something like this may be relevant to the discussion...
http://members.shaw.ca/tcennon/pictures/ninja%20mask%20lessons.jpg
In any case, we have a moral responsibility to warn them, before shooting becomes necessary.
Sorry Dutchman, but I have warned them, enough that if they were to heed the warning they would have already. NOw it is on their hook.
Violence only plays into the LEftist's hands - it gives them an excuse to use repressive actions, like martial law. _Sue K
Not if we do it right.
Forgive me please Sue K, it was Drusilla to whom i was responding.
It is time for impeacement.
This sitting president has broken all the rules and has not defended out constitution. It has to be an impeachment for actual removal.
It can be done because of treason, bribery, and tyranny, high crimes and misdemeanors. We have plenty of this in this administration.
All I have to say is that if you can't bring yourself to hurl a brick now, how are you going to have the stones to actually kill a man when the time comes? You wanna talk about overcoming conditioning....
NOW IS THE TIME FOR ALL GOOD MEN TO COME TO THE AID OF THEIR COUNTRY!!
We’ve reached the point of no return for a passive solution, the days of hollering “WOLF” have passed. The WOLF is in the hen house and has been for over a year. Let me be very clear who the wolf is … the wolf is the evil muslim communist USURPER, barack Hussein obama, his evil wife michelle obama, the entire U.S. Congress, SCOTUS, all state and federal judges! To add insult to injury, the entire U.S. Congress, SCOTUS, state and federal judges, all who have sworn to support and defend the U.S. Constitution, have approved of this inexcusable and traitorous miscarriage of justice!!
Just how far are you prepared to go?! Are you committed to defending the U.S. Constitution with your life if need be, as our founding fathers were?! Are you really prepared to endure/commit yourselves and your life to the obstacles, sacrifices and hardship YEARS that lie ahead to regain the freedoms and way of life that so many millions of us have served, fought and died for?! Just how far are you prepared to go?!
BE ADVISED ... I'D RATHER BE DEAD THAN RED!! I will fight to the death to help insure that the freedoms and way of life that so many of us have served, fought and died for are maintained! This is not a threat, this is my FIRST AND FORMOST promise to Jesus Christ my Lord and Savior and to those great American heroes who gave their all for us and for freedom. SECONDLY, this is my promise to the evil muslim communist USURPER, barack hussein obama, his evil wife michelle obama, congress SCOTUS, state/federal judges, all who've sworn to support and defend the U.S. Constitution and yet, approved of this inexcusable and traitorous miscarriage of justice!!
REMEMBER THIS ...
You don't vote a communist government out, got that? I repeat, you don't vote a communist government out! The buzz words are "You don't vote a communist government out!!!" In fact, you have NO VOTE with a communist government!
THIS IS MY STATEMENT, I APPROVE OF THIS STATEMENT AND I'M STICKIN TO IT, SO HELP ME GOD!!!
AMID THE GUNS BELOW ...
In Flanders fields the poppies blow
Between the crosses, row on row,
That mark our place; and in the sky
The larks, still bravely singing, fly
Scarce heard amid the guns below.
We are the dead. Short days ago
We lived, felt dawn, saw sunset glow,
Loved, and were loved, and now we lie
In Flanders fields.
Take up our quarrel with the foe:
To you from failing hands we throw
The torch; be yours to hold it high.
If ye break faith with us who die
We shall not sleep, though poppies grow
In Flanders fields.
- Lt.-Col. John McCrae (1872 - 1918)
REMEMBER THIS ...
You don't vote a communist government out, got that? I repeat, you don't vote a communist government out! The buzz words are "You don't vote a communist government out!!!"
THIS IS MY STATEMENT, I APPROVE OF THIS STATEMENT AND I'M STICKIN TO IT, SO HELP ME GOD!!
There are always ...
Too many Democratic congressmen,
Too many Republican congressmen,
And never enough U.S. Congressmen.
~Author Unknown ~
A United States Veteran is someone who,
At one point in his or her life,
Wrote a blank check made payable to,
"The People of the United States of America",
For an amount "...Up to and including my life."
~Author Unknown ~
FREEDOM IS NOT FREE!
GOD BLESS AMERICA!
GOD BLESS ISRAEL!
Bob Pinkstaff
Gunnery Sergeant
United States Marine Corps Retired
AMERICAN CITIZEN BY BIRTH, UNITED STATES MARINE BY CHOICE!
@Sgt Pinkstaff:
I only have one question:
If so ordered, do you believe your fellows in the USMC would hesitate for a moment to fire on fellow citizens -- if so lawfully ordered following the chain of command?
Let's even postulate that enough citizens had banded together an army capable of at least shooting back at trained, skilled professional Marines. Let's make it a band of freedom-fighters come to drag their Congressman or Senator off to chains.
Your orders: prevent it using whatever force is necessary.
I cannot imagine that a Marine would do anything less than unhesitatingly follow orders. After all, the freedom-fighters in question have no legal authority and are actively working to subvert the government.
If Marines will fire on their own countrymen in such a situation, I rest my case.
Wait until they can't feed the Marines any more and they're forced to desert or starve. It won't be long, now.
A couple of notes for William Stone III:
1. A significant portion of that undefeatable Army will most likely join with the citizen resistance.
2. If they're so undefeatable and mighty, why has it taken over 8 years to still not defeat the insurgency in Iraq. No, that insurgency has not been defeated. See what happens when US troops fully withdraw from Iraq.
Frankly, the US Military is NOT our enemy. The Legislative and Executive Branches of the now illegitimate (no longer have consent of the governed) Federal Government is our enemy. The leadership of those two rogue elements of tyranny should be our specific targets - not their families - THEM PERSONALLY.
Read "Unintended Consequences" by John Ross. No need to jeopardize innocents with firefights in the streets (unless they come for us then kill as many as you can. The fact is that if all of us only kill one illegitimate government agent, we will win soundly in the end). But, don't stop at one if you can get more!
I think it's still too early to resort to armed rebellion. We still have our state legislatures we can pressure to pass legislation nullifying the Federal HC mandate. State Attorney Generals can file lawsuits to stop implementation until final disposition in the courts.
Oh and by the way, the US Supreme Court is NOT the final arbiter of the interpretation of OUR (the people's) Constitution. We the people are!
But did anybody think of the Krystalnacht connection? Fer crissakes--you got to be more goddam thoughtful.
And where do you get your current healthcare?
Anonymous, my comments turned out to be roughly quadruple what will fit in a comment box -- and then I decided it would make a good blog entry of my own.
Watch http://www.wrstone.com for my full answer. It'll be coming tonight or tomorrow.
Dear Irregulars:
Wanted you to know that this:
http://www.theospark.net/2010/03/excellent-and-eminent-men.html
does not mean that I find your exercise of Free Speech so irregular as to merit censure. I linked you because I wanted to, and will again. You're in my blog roll, at the suggestion of one Virgil.
Looks like you're having a rowdy old time here. I issue this warning only:
It's easier to get hernias as you age, and the nurses are not as attentive to your needs when you get it patched up.
Let this be a lesson to you.
The government will not run out of money. They'll just print up more which, of course, makes all those we have worth even less than they are now. I wouldn't count on that strategy.
Funny thing--I been looking all around for news of all the bricks going through windows, tossed by the Sons of Freedom running their mouths on blogs like this one. And I haven't found anything but the one story already mentioned here. So I think you're gonna have to downgrade your numbers *again* fellas. From 3% of those who own guns (maybe a quarter of the population), down to some tiny, tiny proportion of that 3% of 25% who are even willing to throw bricks through windows, much less take up arms in 'revolution' against an elected government.
You guys are so far from the possibility of civil war that you can't even get there by plane.
If you break off the porcelin from an old spark plug and smash it into little pieces about the size of a pea it will break a tempered glass window when flicked like a cigarette. It does not work every time as one of the sharp edges needs to hit the glass. It may take a few tries but it is very quiet. If you don't believe this feel free to try it to your cars side window.
I am only sharing this as an interesting little bit of trivia, I in no way condone vandalism.
I don't have a Honey Truck, nor do I have a Farm Truck load of manure to dump on a Bank, but I do have CONSTIPATION. Works every time it's tried. Simply cut the top off a 2 liter pop bottle, leaving a hole about 3 inches across. Fill the 2 liter bottle with DRY ready-mix concrete powder. Go to the target's property where the outside sewer clean-out plug is located, unscrew the plug and dump the dry concrete powder down the pipe. Just a few flushings by the target and the concrete will set up nicely. Nothing like an overflowing toilet to get someone's attention. One target took no more than 10 seconds to dump 2 bottles down the chute and it took all of 4 weeks before they got the plumbers to find the problem but by then they were out of business.
@ Anon 5:18:
Many are waiting for the vote.
Mark these words.
Bricks are the least of their worries.
Justin
III
Krystalnacht?
How?
A government action taken against a religious minority vs. an anti-illegitimate-government action taken by a philosphical minority?
Sounds like a little more thought is needed on your side, Anon.
Enough! Why wait until Novemeber ? These traitors need to feel the hatred they caused and fear of the unknown. Screw them all.
William Stone III (in response to me and Sgt. Pinkstaff)
We get it. You're the "live on your knees" type.
Sean
Sean:
You're half right: I'm the "live" type.
If you've read The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress by Robert A. Heinlein, there's an analogue to me as a character in the book: Mannie Davis.
If you can come up with a plan that gives even odds of success, I'll consider it.
Facing down tanks, fighter jets, bombers, and nuclear weapons armed only with a semi-automatic rifle and improvised explosives does not have a 50% chance of success.
It has a 100% chance of failure.
Come up with a plan that can succeed and I'll consider putting my life on the line to implement it. I will emphatically not sign on to anything that will absolutely fail.
I think dumping bags of manure, (bullshit) on the sidewalks and entry ways of both the Democratic and Republican committee headquarters would send a messaage.
If your in an area where bovine are hard to find, there's bound to be dogs around.
When the Legislature no longer represents the will of the people, a state of tyranny exists. We therefore have the right to censure Congress and ignore the laws that proceed from it, until we can replace it by vote, or by violence if necessary - and repeal any offending laws which do not conform to the will of the people. Those who would perpetrate such an act against the American people are traitors to the Revolution, should be branded as such, and tried for high treason.
Yeah, the talliban rolled over in two days. Whats going on in Afgan now is just a 7 year training exercise. All they are fighting for is their way of life. Who woulda thunk?
William Stone III....
Again, you prove my point.
You're willing to LIVE, regardless of whether or not you're a slave.
What you fail to grasp is success or failure will not matter at some point.
I don't pretend to know where that point is for you....and judging by your comments, apparently you don't know either.
Sean
Sean:
We are all slaves to our rulers in Washington. We're living as slaves right now.
Hail, fellow slave, well met!
This being the case, the question is never, "Am I willing to live as a slave?" If you're alive to see this message, you've chosen to live as a slave.
Period.
If you don't like living as a slave, you have two options:
1. Kill yourself.
2. Find a way to throw off your chains.
Attacking a force that massively out-guns you falls into category 1. It will never, ever fall into category 2.
If you want to kill yourself, thereby ending any possibility of throwing off your chains, feel free. It's your life, and I won't begrudge you the right to end it if you like.
I won't be doing so, as I have not only my life but that of my progeny to think of. While I could easily kill myself, it won't help get the chains off my children -- and by extension, my grandchildren and great-grandchildren.
It's a question of strategy and tactics. If I want to be around to help my progeny get rid of their chains, then it is illogical in the extreme to throw my life away on strategies and tactics that cannot possibly succeed.
Give me strategies and tactics that has some chance of success and I'll consider it. I will not entertain strategies and tactics that can only lead to defeat.
For myself, I've no strategies and tactics left to offer except for the ones I employ personally. They probably don't scale, and in any event, to reveal what little I do would be to compromise those same strategies and tactics.
Bottom line: nothing being suggested here can succeed, therefore unless you're simply hoping for death, it's pointless to engage in them.
I still think the strategy outlined in "Unintended Consequences" by John Ross is the way to go. That way the specific criminals responsible for this act of Oppression and Aggression against the will of the majority of the people can be targeted without endangering innocent lives.
The lack of reports of windows being broken around the country gives me pause to think that maybe the detractors are correct - America is no longer the Home of the Brave. It hasn't been the Land of the Free since FDR and the new deal. Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, Welfare, Unemployment Entitlements and Income Tax are ALL SOCIALIST PROGRAMS and should be repealed and phased out in America!
"If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen!!! -- Samuel Adams
I believe Mr. Adams was referring to folks of the like of Mr. William Stone III (that's got to mean 'the third' because there's no way in hell he could be a III%er)!
Stone, you're nothing but a coward. I suggest you take your own advice and kill yourself. People like you will never be the ones to throw off any chains. You're also very VERY uneducated as to the chances a huge irregular force has against a trained conventional one. If you have nothing positive to say, I suggest you leave, because we aren't hearing it.
I'm hearing what William has to say...
He's right. I'm a slave....every single one of us is.
None of us can deny it. Most of us (I'd wager) weren't alive when the NFA was enacted. I wasn't alive for the 68 Gun Control fiasco...and that's just one issue. What about the Federal Reserve Act, or Patriot or any number of other court decisions or proclamations of "law" by our legislature or unlawful executive orders?
No, William's right. We're not really free. We haven't been (as a country) for quite some time.
However, what William AGAIN fails to understand (or misses in his reading comprehension) is that I clearly stated in my last reply that, "What you fail to grasp is success or failure will not matter at some point." and "I don't pretend to know where that point is for you".
What that means is that every one of us have a line in the sand. One that will not be crossed before you fight....regardless of the outcome. Win or lose.
If a bigger, stronger, better armed man than yourself (a man you KNOW you cannot beat and will take your life if you try) attacks your wife or children, I am *guessing* you would fight him. Maybe I'm wrong....maybe you would meter out your response in a very rational manner and decide that your wife's virtue or your children's lives cannot be served any better by your death.....after all, she'll still be raped and they'll still be dead. I'm not going to pretend I know you or know what you'd do in that situation. In truth, I'm not going to pretend that I KNOW I'd fight him either, knowing that my certain death would be the outcome.....but I pray to God that I would find the strength to do what was right in my mind.
Do you think the founders fought the biggest, most powerful military in the world at the drop of a hat? Clearly they did not. They tried every means available to get relief....and then some. I'm not advocating we do any less....but as Mike points out, if you refuse to bow to their will, if you refuse to be arrested for not paying the tax, you WILL be killed.
I will not publicly announce any plans to do anything. I have a line that will not be crossed without consequences. That's all I'll say about it.
I suggest you look for your own strategy (and find out just what is means to you to be free)....we are all still free to make our own decisions within that context.
In the end, whether I live or die makes no real difference in the grand scheme of things.....we all die eventually.
As Defender once said on this blog, "I too pray for peace and justice. If I can't have peace, I choose justice."
I couldn't agree more.
Sean
Sigh.
Fine, then. Go break windows, go get your pop guns to arm your "massive irregular force" that does not exist.
If you're intent upon a self-destructive course of action, there's probably nothing that anyone can do about it.
I frankly couldn't care less what anyone believes. You're all just words on a screen to me: in all likelihood, that's all you'll ever be.
However, to any charges of cowardice, I would offer the following:
If you believe that not taking on tanks with hunting rifles is cowardice, then yes, I'm a coward.
If you believe that not going to jail for tilting at windmills is cowardice, then yes, I'm a coward.
If you think people who point out what should be obvious facts is cowardice, then yes, I'm a coward.
We'll see which of us is here to work on getting rid of our chains after the tanks are done with you. Or if you're ever let out of whatever Federal hell-hole where you've become some inmate's bitch.
One final point:
Anyone reading this can find me in seconds. Just Google "William Stone III" or "William Stone, III" and you can get my address if you want.
I note that at least half the posters are doing so anonymously. I would question whether an individual so worried about identification on a frakking blog has the intestinal fortitude to even serve in an army, irregular or not.
Look at it this way: if you're not even willing to risk opening yourself to simple criticism, what makes you think that you'd be any use if I found myself back-to-back with you in a fight? You'd probably fold in a heartbeat, when you discovered the horrific reality that is war.
The Mar 19/12:28pm comment by William Stone III is, to a point, correct, & that point is pgh 5 "They consider ourselves (typo) our rulers". I assume he meant themselves, & he's obviously right that the reigning Leftists do see things that way, but the rest of that paragraph is @ best an assumption that an Imperium will behave rationally when facing determined resistance to its edicts from large portions of the population & (if elections aren't "temporarily delayed" due to a "national crisis") the prospect of losing power. Paragraph 6 also assumes that info control will prevail & that the overwhelming majority of those tasked w/ suppressing "civil unrest" or responding to "domestic terrorist" "attacks" will nod their heads, say "Yes Sir!", & carry out any & all orders given despite misgivings about/dislike of said orders just like Lt. Calley's crew did @ My Lai. While the assaults on Pine Ridge & the Branch Davidians involved some elements of our military, it's not as sure a thing as WS III believes that local/state/Fed troops will conduct widespread Fallujah-style clearing ops in the U.S. for the simple reason that doing unto others in a foreign country is one thing, but doing so in your own country to people just like yours is quite another. Unlike apparently many others, however, I'm sure that some Marine, Army, & Navy units, & especially most of Delta Force, wouldn't have a problem being the American version of the S.S., & that some could even be found who'd happily fulfill the role of domestic Einsatztruppen. But they would be the exception & as word of their activities got out, & it would get out one way or another, the troops assigned to other sections of the country would begin wondering if their people back home were being treated like they'd been doing to civilians in their AO, (Rousted, beaten, sometimes shot for 'resisting arrest', & even 'disappeared') & if they got confirmation that such was indeed the case, the problems of desertion, outright group refusal to obey such orders, & fratricide of those who tried to force 'refuseniks' to continue either by threat of arrest/detention by 'special units' (which inevitably leads to 'disappearence') or summary courts martial & on-site/off-site execution would begin to mount rapidly.
Cassandra (of Troy)
cont.
The Nazis occasionally engaged in such cannibalistic acts during W.W.2 & as the Wehrmacht experienced repeated defeats the instances of such acts increased, but even then they weren't the norm regardless of whether one was in the regular forces, the Fallschirmjager, or even the S.S. In the Red Army, however, it WAS the norm & one reason for the RA's ferocity. There's nothing that'll get you to follow democidal orders like knowing that if you don't, not only you but maybe your entire platoon, family, neighbors, & possibly even your whole block or village will be killed, but I'm not @ all as confident as WS III appears to be that the American military has descended to that state......yet. It appears much more likely to me that "authorized" irregular forces like those in Rwanda/Burundi, Mugabe's Zimbabwe, Mandela's South Africa, Saddam's Iraq, Milosevic's Serbia, Guatemala, Honduras, El Salvador, Somoza & then Ortega's Nicaragua, Castro's Cuba, & the various factions of the I.R.A. would be better suited for that kind of duty here, & the precedent for such units is Quantrill's Raiders & the breakaway group led by "Bloody Bill" Anderson. Given Emperor Obama's announcement of the intended formation of various officially recognized but non-govtl "volunteer" groups commonly labeled "Obamacorps" & the political/racial orientation of same, if the pattern seen previously in this country & elsewhere is repeated it's reasonably certain that such sanctioned groups (possibly w/ govt intel/security support) will be used more than military units whose political "reliability" may be questionable @ the outset or erode over time. "True believers" have historically proven to be better motivated (& more plausibly deniable) butchers than conventional forces, & there's no reason to assume that when the Imperium decides that it's time to shove back HARD against its opponents that such "govt issue thugs" won't be used to maximum effect.
Cassandra (of Troy)
Not now. The time will come but it isnt now.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tc-npSf-jSg
I will keep my powder dry, and be every ready...I will stand and fight the good fight... This is my country!!!
cont.
Paragraph 7 & those following are but continuations of the assumption in the 2d half of pgh 5 & constitute an implausible & perhaps ahistoric view of how a quasi-religious regime like Emperor Obama's will behave when a systemic collapse occurs, & others observations that said regime won't allow one to simply remain outside of its influence as it's dying but will instead hew more toward the historic model of the 3d Reich & the Soviet Union & actively pursue its opponents even in its death throes, IMO, makes more sense. OTOH, WS III's admonition against "going active" prematurely is sound counsel & everyone will have to decide when they've reached their "Popeye threshold" & open the spinach can. But if the Imperium's arrogant desperation & the crazed juvenility of its disciples keeps increasing & thus goads the Imperium into impetuousity & capriciousness, WS III's "wait & see" attitude may be proper. What'll actually happen should things start going irretrievably & (more important) undeniably bad for the Imperium & its acolytes is unknown but given the mentality displayed by both the safest bet to me is to follow the Roman adage of Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum just in case economic catastrophe doesn't arrive in time to prevent govtl insanity. An unequivocally pro-2A decision of the McDonald case or Moody's reduction of America's credit rating from AAA to blech are the obvious ones likely to set things off, but one floating around like an anti-matter asteroid that could be as devastating as the first 2 is the implementation of the recent EO land grab. If the loss of jobs & state & private property rights & income are as predicted, things will go BOOM pretty damned fast, the Imperium will have to react, & that reaction will tell the tale.
Cassandra (of Troy)
William Stone III to Patrick Henry/March 19-3:55pm,
You're right until the 2d sentence of paragraph 3 where you imply that all Natl Guard units will obey Imperium orders to turn on the citizenry. While I realize that American milpers aren't exempt from history, your assumption that the NG will be unable to resist the pack/herd mentality & that their training will override their upbringing sounds too general to be reasonable. Paragraph 5 is also problematic in that you assume the weapons known to the Imperium are all that the population has/can get. Recent LE experiences w/ various gangs has shown that assumption to be ill-advised & the arms bazaar that's just over the southern U.S. border can & likely would be used to funnel milgrade hardware to non-criminal/non-LE/non-terrorist end-users & that's assuming such hasn't already occurred & isn't still going on. As w/ concealed carry, the appearence isn't always reality, & the people now selling SMGs, REAL assault rifles, L/HMGs, grenades, mines, milgrade explosives, AT & AA systems, body armor, night & thermal vision gear, & good-excellent secure commo would have no problem w/ shifting to a new (& MUCH safer) customer base who'll likely have things that'll be VERY valuable to those who don't want to be stuck in a Mexico that's dropped 9 levels below the worst that could be expected in a devastated America. Even the Mad Max crazies would balk @ that kind of chaos.
Cassandra (of Troy)
Rome fell from division into warring camps that could not/did not repel real threats but mainly fought each other. It took time to divide and fall, but did.
Another thought: Break windows, attack someone, and what do you think the reaction will be? Wild talk doesn't help.
(Healthcare and hospital stocks went UP this monrning after that bill passed! Surprising, yeah. Maybe all their million$ spent were wasted!)
Before I read this commentary about breaking windows, the thought occurred to me that going to the local office of the Socialist/Fascist Political Party (also called "Democrats") and spray painting a red swastika on their doors or windows might be a good, nonviolent way to get our point across.
I think this would make a statement - but I think throwing rocks or bricks thru their windows with a "III" scribed on them would make a more emphatic statement.
Of course, it will probably be prosecuted as a felony crime - maybe even a (oh, horror of horrors!) "Hate Crime (tm)".
cont.
If you review paragraphs 7-12, you'll see that they simultaneously make my point & refute the contentions you made previously. Another thing contained in pghs 7-12, & one I'm surprised nobody remarked on, is your repetitious use of the term "bullets" for ammunition/ammo, & later use of the word "ammunitions". For someone trying to appear authoritative on the topic @ hand, it's puzzling that you'd let such glaring mistakes slide by.
(I also share your opinion of the plight of our overseas ground combat forces. Those on the Arabian peninsula who can be ferried to ships or get to Israel [assuming it's still there & the Israelis will let them in] will be the lucky ones, the rest will likely end up like the mercs back in the 60s who were stranded in the Congo. Blackhawk Down was merciful by comparison, some of those mercs went into stewpots! The fate of diplomatic & construction personnel will be even grimmer than the milpers because they're largely unarmed. Those in Europe have a better chance of getting home due to the number of major USAF/USN bases, but even that's problematic & as before, dips, builders, & their dependents will likely be last to get miltrans if @ all, & the people deployed in/assigned to Oriental Asia will be a bit more fortunate than those in the Islamic areas but not by much. Milpers, dips, builders, & their dependents in the Pacific AO will be mainly reliant on air & sea miltrans, & more than a few in the remote bases may be evaced by sub. Hell, a LOT will split that way because of their nuke power plants. Makes me glad I'm CONUS!)
Paragraphs 15 & 16 are likely, & make the case for regional govts not allied w/ the imperium/its successor which would be crucial for maintaining some of what was the U.S.A. & may provide the platform for its future restoration. Hardware & hard cash are always good things to have, but the hardware's what'll matter down the road because gold, gems, Ming china, & Rembrandts are called luxuries for a reason & when things get tight they lose value fast. That doesn't mean that such items shouldn't be preserved, they should, but most won't bother w/ them after awhile.
Cassandra (of Troy)
Cassandra (of Troy) said, “… doing unto others in a foreign country is one thing, but doing so in your own country to people just like yours is quite another.”
Think again. The War for Southern Independence pitted “people just like yours” against one another and hundreds of thousands died. One side wanted to separate and just be left alone to do so. The other was determined to maintain a strong central government. The Constitution went out the window.
Is this beginning to look familiar?
[W-III]
Wrap your heavy object with the Don't Tread ON ME flag or other facsimile. Throw it hard, as if you are mad. Take a photo of your target before and after if possible, to send in anonymously to numerous media outlets, and see if it is reported. Avoid leaving fingerprints by using gloves throughout the packaging of your projectile. ENJOY the moment.
Here's a thought ... enjoy the socialized medicine!
Quit your job, or earn just enough to get by. Empty your savings account, keep your FRNs, gold, silver, and lead in your gun safe. Strip the tax base, apply for welfare, ask for food stamps.
Let the Liberal Democrat Greenie Wienies pay their taxes with their 6 figure made-up 'green' jobs, and you apply for the benefits. What benefit is there when you work hard, try to do well, and have it taken away from you for the benefit of someone else?
Become one of the 'Someone Else'.
Strip the economy.
When it folds, like the Russian States did, maybe WE THE PEOPLE can put it back together again.
Just maybe.
Sam Adams...NO. A scenario like that would be great fodder for the "all dissenters are RAAAACIST!" media. Bad idea.
http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2010/03/22/us/AP-US-Democrats-Offices-Damaged.html?_r=1
Looks like all bets are due.
-Spike
There were Dem HQ windows broke out in Wichita, Kansas over the weekend. There was some "anti-Obama writting on the brick that went through them." Acording to the local newspaper and at least one TV station.
Premature. Foolish and unwise. Not productive to your cause. Half of our countrymen are positive about the changes coming around, and of the remaining half, the majority neither desire or deem appropriate at this junction civil war. Why waste your energies on such futility? You seek to inspire? Do it at the polls and on the campaign trail. The feds have a long way to go before war is the answer. For now, protest and education is the route of the wise. Lay down your arms for another day.
Get an education.
America isn't becoming Socialist, it's becoming a Fascist state. Folks screaming "Socialism" when our legislators just mandated 30M+ new customers for the private insurance companies. If this legislation was the first step in Government controlled health care.. why is it then that the stocks of medical insurance companies and service providers advancing??
There are really some stupid people in this Country.. really.
It's fun to read about you guys sh*tting your britches over health care reform. HEALTH CARE. Hilarious.
It's even more hilarious to read all your proposed "solutions" to the situation, which seem to involve making yourselves into the most unsympathetic bunch of Taliban-wannabes imaginable. Sure, go ahead, good luck with that. Throw some bricks through windows, yeah, that'll bring people around to your point of view. That'll bring down the government too! It sure worked for Earth First! and the Animal Liberation Front, doncha know.
You spend so much time convincing yourselves of your own brain-retarding propaganda that you have completely lost touch with any semblance of reality. How do you think Democrats have won national-level elections so handily the past couple cycles? It's largely because GOP pols have gone insane. Dems are rarely all that inspiring frankly, but when your choice is someone who talks like a loony-tune, and someone else who at least seems to have a grasp of reality, the choice is clear.
And don't try convincing me, or even yourselves, that I'm wrong. If you believe in democracy like you claim to, you need to win some hearts and minds of the electorate at large, and you simply are not going to do that with your grotesque historical misunderstandings and bombastic self-aggrandizing, terroristic rhetoric.
But that's OK. You don't have to believe me. Just keep it up, you'll just drag down the GOP even further, and strengthen the Democrats' hold on power, and legitimately so. Heck, we may finally get that public option if you keep up your threatening postures. Nobody likes a bully.
Wow, you guys are a bunch of nutbags. Where was all this anger 9 years ago when King George Bush and his cabal were passing the Patriot Act? That has done more to restrict Freedom and Liberty than giving those less fortunate access to healthcare. Further, everyone speaks of In God We Trust, and everything Jesus, but then rail against the very ideals that Jesus was trying to teach, helping those less fortunate.
Hey, hows about we TP the trees next?
M.Steele
You scum sucking maggots are your own worst enemy. If you love to wreck stuff, why don't you all join the Marines and serve your country? Oh, that's right. Because you're all a bunch of chickenhawks who would no more enlist to serve your country than you would sign your name to the bricks you throw through windows. I guess you're all just making up for the lack of manhood between your legs.
So we know that real American history can be distorted and aimed back at the millions of Americans throughout the time of the Republic that fought to have a democratic government to provide for the basic freedoms we have, and a government that would stand up for the people during a Great Depression and during times of real foreign war. And protect American citizens against criminal actions of pedatory corporations...now you show your face: the shallow, mob who so quickly cheer on Fascism. You will mindlessly do the work of Al Qaeda and bring shame on all proud Americans...no matter what their party. Instead, have the back bone to start your own political party. Your self annoiting as patriotic is like the embrace of Adolf Hitler. Another fine 3% no brainer horror monger.
I can't tell if this is parody or not.
You are a fucking joke. I hope you are hung for treason you fraud.
Mr. Mike Vanderboegh.
your very language tells the whole tale- "if this be treason" etc. the absurd formalism. the attempt at a bygone, heroic vernacular.
if you ran for office you would be laughed off a ballot. if you had any power in your life, you would not be grasping for attention on a blog by feeble cries for faux heroism- you would be actually doing something useful for some other human beings.
gawd I love our country because nowhere else on earth would I be able to read this kind of crap.
America- F Yea !
You're disgusting.
Samuel Adams,
While I approve of using graffiti for protest, I agree w/ Black Ice's point about the swastika being so poisonous & so easily exploitable that even its justified use is counter-productive unless, that is, the user is part of a Leftist org, & in that case it'll be portrayed as "legitimate protest" &/or "protected free speech". Unfair, yes, but that's the way it is like it or don't. However, there's another symbol that can be used, one that the Imperium would have a hard time co-opting because of its easily proved historic pro-freedom meaning & one that also will be familiar to millions of people of widely varying ages. What is this symbol, you ask? It's the one Churchill used to signify Britain's stubborn determination to not only resist tyranny but to defeat it as well, & it was also used in a 1983 mini-series & its 2009 iteration. A scene @ the end of part one of the 83 mini-series is most likely to be remembered, & shows an elderly Holocaust survivor instructing some kids on how to properly deface the tyrant's property. He takes the hand of the kid w/ the spray paint can, sprays a large red V over a propaganda poster, says to the kid "Do you understand? For Victory", & when the kid nods yes says "Go then, tell your friends". Devastating. Still brings tears of sorrowful fury every time I think about/see it, & had/still has that effect on just about everyone I've met who saw it. The Imperium could try to discredit such a method by claiming it's from the movie "V for Vendetta" & is a terrorist threat, but that angle can easily be thwarted by adding A. Bernstein below the letter & then spreading the word. Using pop culture as a political weapon against the Left, deliciously & infuriatingly ironic, isn't it?
;~>
Cassandra (of Troy)
And to think that only this morning I was trying to convince some folks on a liberal blog that people in Alabama aren't ignorant jackasses.
So you're encouraging right-wing losers to vandalize private property? Have fun in prison, morons.
Not parody.
Y'all are the worst this country can produce.
A gaggle of chickenshick screen berets.
Craven to a man.
W.W. Woodward,
I understand your point, did you get mine or are you indulging in deliberate obtuseness/being a pill?
Cassandra (of Troy)
Can I ask whether or not you have health insurance? You might be over reacting here
The great President Bush wiretapped us, do you think he gave Obama information about us?
You sound just like Hitler you freak! If you'd like a fight I know 120 million people who would love to take up arms against you. I dare you to stand on a corner in Birmingham, or Atlanta and say this.
Hey, women can break glass too. Breaking glass was a big tactic during the women's suffrage movement. I would like to break plate glass over a lot of heads...
starting with Sarah Palin.
As a proud American, Army veteran, and avid gun owner/enthusiast I find this blog to be totally appalling.
If our second amendment rights are ever seriously curtailed it will most likely be because of the idiotic actions of lunatics like you folks.
Thanks for helping make responsible gun owners look bad.
"Sons of Liberty burn and sack the house of the Massachusetts lieutenant governor, Thomas Hutchinson."
1. The "Sons of Liberty" were the equivalent of Nazi Brown Shirts.
2. You are basing your ahistorical rant on actions taken in the "lib-rul" bastion Massachusetts.
3. The property destruction against MA-Bay Gov. Hutchinson was based upon LIES from the person who formed the "Sons of Liberty" in order to conduct politically-motivated violence against his perceived enemies: Samuel Adams.
Otherwise, is it true that the Ayn Rantian who writes this blog is on Social Security disability, therefore has time to rant against "gov't tyranny" by the US gov't which sends him a check every month?
It is time for impeacement.
This sitting president has broken all the rules and has not defended out constitution. It has to be an impeachment for actual removal.
It can be done because of treason, bribery, and tyranny, high crimes and misdemeanors. We have plenty of this in this administration.
_____
One little problem:
You fail to provide even a scintilla of EVIDENCE for your nonsensical "allegations".
Clue: merely uttering aloud your hallicinations does not make your hallucinations reality.
The gov't ain't afraid of your pop-gun. The gov't doesn't care about your pop-gun. The gov't has bazookas and tanks, artillery and planes, bombs and nukes. It can take you out without ever coming in range of your pop-gun.
So the gov't isn't EVER "coming to get your" your guns because it DOESN'T NEED TO.
And to think you spend all that money on the gun industry-front NRA, etc., to keep you paranoidly terrified and peeing your pants.
I'm posting this from a Democratic meeting room... they are very scared. They're trying to shrug it off as right wing extremism but I think they know that this message is coming from a pro-liberty majority. If you continue these operations it might push them over the edge.
Holy Christ you people are idiots. For the first time in thirty years the American government has gotten off its ass to address one of the crippling problems affecting our country--namely, the 40 million Americans without health insurance; the tens of millions more whose insurance is an excuse to rob them and deny treatment when they really need it; and the bloated, hungry insurance conglomerates extracting the wealth of the middle class across the country and giving it all to the richest 1% of the country--and your reaction is to [i]break windows?[/i]
People like you are the reason our empire is collapsing, because you've been convinced to actively campaign against your own interests. You'd be despicable if your position wasn't so horribly sad. Rot in your bunkers, cleaning guns you'll never fire. You've earned your fate.
You people have no idea what you are doing. You do not seem to realize that you are a minority, and have little political power as a result. Committing violence against the government for the sake of forcing people to fold to your will is quite literally terrorism. So if you want to do this, then first acknowledge that you are fringe terrorists, and not people that the founding fathers would have been proud of.
Breaking windows has done nothing. Enough time has passed to show you that you don't have enough support.
Civil Disobedience is a time honored tradition. But, and its a big but, if you must, absolutely must do this, why didn't your organize. Random window breaking is mere vandalism.
The key thing here is that if you're going to attack a tiger, kill it. Wounding it will force it to kill you. Your tactics seem poorly thought out.
Oh, and because you advertised this in the open, now the leftists can break windows, cause vandalism, send threats, and do ANYTHING, and you will get the blame.
Should have waited. Remember, its the government that gets to decide the meaning of "Fort Sumter", not you.
I'm estimating that 14 of the last 30 posts were Fed Trolls. Want to start an office pool?
Mike I couldn't help but think of you when I saw this:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100324/ap_on_re_us/us_health_care_threats
Everyone please note the conflation with neo-nazis, and try to put on your surprised faces.
perhaps the best idea so far is not to throw the rocks and break windows but to lay down the items we would have used to break the windows down in front of the buildings. this way no act of vandalism has occurred. it is peaceful and it gives the same message. the media cannot twist this into their own awful agenda of hoolaginism when it was peaceful protesting that was done. i recommend to all that we stand up and take back our rights and freedoms but do it in such a way that our message cannot be lost. do not break the windows but write on the breaking items messages and then lay them down in front of the offices, windows, and doors, of the democratic party so that they hear us loud and clear.
I don't know how I found this thread actually as I live in Canada but I noticed someone suggesting that agency trolls might be posting as well. The thought occurred to me that this might always be the case and the propaganda media machines might always try to intimidate dissenters through association with so called homegrown terrorists, whatever that is supposed to mean, but if surprises me, as a mildly disinterested party, why Americans haven't brought things to a head in your country before now. It has to be done and to needs to start somewhere. This is no game my neighbors but hey it's YOUR country. It's bad enough we have to share a border with tyrannical terrorist regimes, democrats OR republicans.
Break their windows? And only the Democrats? The Republicans are no more a property of liberty than the Democrats. Toss them all out. Raze the government programs and buildings as quickly as is survivable. Do not presume one set of tyrants is better than another.
If the best we have is throwing stones through windows then it is time to move far far away.
Hell no it is not premature. It is so very long overture that it looks like a pathetic symbol of what we had every right to do long ago.
my personal opinion, this will be lost in the already rising media attention. sounds like a brilliant idea but the actions called for are not backed by any sort of real reason for violent action the original sons of liberty were fighting a tangible force in front of them. breaking of windows is symbolic we are meant to break through there illusions they have created in a diplomatic way!
"Patriot" put it perfectly... We need something more symbolic. This will be portrayed as a toddler throwing a temper-tantrum. A little boy, whose mommy tells him to do something he doesn't want to do, gets mad and throws a toy across the room. Tell me how this is different, please, or how people could possibly view it as anything dissimilar. I'm dying to hear the logic. The more violent and radical action we take, the more it makes people question our sanity rather than consider our views. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE consider what I'm saying. We are more in need of numbers now than ever before, and democrats are starting to question the motives and logic of their all-powerful savior. If we act with such deliberate violence, they won't hear us. All they will see are the "crazy conservatives throwing another fit" as one of my liberal friends put it. I'm not saying we should march down the street singing "We Shall Overcome", but isn't there something reasonable and mature about the peaceful protest idea? You want people to hear you? Speak up. Be well-versed in history and what it is you're speaking out against rather than just quoting a news show. Send letter after letter, make phone call after phone call. Make yourself heard, not feared. If you're trying to incite a civil war, it could possibly work. But the Civil War was north and south...this would be brother-on-brother, father-on-son in a way you cannot possibly imagine. I truly don't believe it has to come to that. Please consider what I've said... This country needs to band together against tyranny. The last thing we need is to intimidate those away who could be our allies. Just something to consider. You can attack me all you wish, tell me why I'm wrong...but I, like you, stand firmly in my beliefs.
Finally getting around to reading some of the comments. Wow...some people here are talking about flinging feces?
*hands you all a banana*
Congratulations, Vanderboegh! Your blog made national news! Of course this means that, rightly, you and the others making horrible and seditious threats will be under surveillance. However the news also mentioned that most lunatic fringe groups (fortunately) have turned out to be not very bright.
Well said Mike!
Seems I remember a certain Henry Bowman making the same suggestion a few years back...it worked then,it'll work now...well,actually,it already HAS! Anonymous has his request fulfilled!
The Demoncats are screaming "BLOODY WINDOW SMASHERS!,& the Re-rub-UR-CANS are whining in their squeaky, high pitched squeals: "Violence is horwabul! Now sphtop'pit! oooohhhh!"
Poor babies...der wittle itty bitty world is falling apart...being invaded by dows big meanie people! Hmmmmmmm?
I'm just, beginning "Absolved", and want to congrat you on that Intro! The two quotes are particularly pertinent.
I'm sure I'm going enjoy the read far more than I will the Book's fulfillment...but...I have few doubts that, in the not too far future, we will likely see it fulfilled.
Thanks very little...
Vandalism gets us nowhere. It may get the blood pumping, you may enjoy it. But for crying out loud, it'll accomplish jack shit.
Worse you're wasting the time of people who agree with the basic situation who now have to tap dance around assholes who advocate this.
Hell, I wouldn't be suprised if this wasn't truly what he claims to be, and more of an agent provocateur.
Anyone in Maine interested in something more productive come on down to the Libertarian Party of Maine convention on April 17th (Patriots' Day weekend, natch). Learn how you can sharpen the your first amendment skills, to take more effective steps into political action.
Leave your bricks and stones at home, please.
The Dunning-Kruger effect...
The phenomenon wherein people reach erroneous conclusions and make unfortunate choices, but their incompetence robs them of the ability to realize it.
The theory states that...
1. Incompetent individuals tend to overestimate their own level of skill.
2. Incompetent individuals fail to recognize genuine skill in others.
3. Incompetent individuals fail to recognize the extremity of their inadequacy.
4. If they can be trained to substantially improve their own skill level, these individuals can recognize and acknowledge their own previous lack of skill.
"The trouble with the world is that the stupid are certain... and the intelligent are always full of doubt."
...The Dunning-Kruger effect.
Remember it's just a theory.
But perhaps it could point us towards humility... which is the foundation of all human virtues.
...and perhaps it could also spark a greater interest in History -- our greatest teacher.
There is no greater lesson that history has to offer us than the fact that we learn so little from it.
Ummmm...I like potatoes?
I see you have gotten a gazillion comments already. I agree with a few of the points you make on your blog regarding the encroaching "big brother-ism" of the federal (and state) governments in our good nation. However, I must ask if your call for a violent overthrow of the entire Government of the U.S.A. is warranted over a package of health care reforms that mostly targets the huge, monopolistic insurance companies that already make "totalitarian" decisions regarding their customer's health care options and actually increases "socialism" only in so far that it opens a medicare buy-in for those making less than 133% of the poverty level. That's hardly a huge communist type takeover of the health care industry; it is 95% aq regulatory bill aimed at the most exploitative and unethical practices of the insurance industry. I would highly suggest that you reconsider your violence/revolution/civil war rhetoric and realize think about the fact that had the insurance industry not been so mercenary in their practices and philosophy this bill probably never would have passed in the first place. As much as I can understand many of your libertarian and anti oppression stances that you take up in your blog I still maintain that corporations are not citizens and as such they do not qualify for the constitutional protections that actual individual U.S. citizens enjoy per our founding fathers. thank you for your time and for your opinions. I celebrate the fact that we live in a country where we can both still express our opinions relatively freely and I celebrate your right as well as mine to do so. I hope you will not delete my comments. Sincerely, Matheau.
Vanderboegh sounds like a foreign name to me....not American at all. He should be deported with all the other foreigners. He's no American.
If you aren't happy with the way the government is, the only way to make your voices heard in an effective way is by helping to usher in candidates that align with your views. You can do this by campaigning for them, donating money to them, and by voting for them.
Violence and scare tactics are never the answer and you will find that it will only hinder your cause, not help it.
As a European social democrat I wholeheartedly support this initiative. And please don't limit this to the Democratic party, target all government institutions. Your freedom is at stake. The constitution is being threatened. Armageddon is near. Soon you will all be governed by socialist marxist fascists. It is your patriotic duty to act now! The end is near!
This is the first anonymous comment I've ever left in my life. Guess why I've decided to do so here? Because I'm about to argue w/ people who are advocating violence against elected officials and their families. Nice, nice stuff. For any of you who think this is a good idea, and call yourselves Christians, too... let's recall what Our Lord said about "casting stones."
I grew up in Massachusetts and was weaned on stories of our Forefathers. Year after year we'd go downtown and walk the Freedom Trail, visit Bunker Hill and Breeds Hill, go to the Old North Church, the USS Constitution and other historic sites. We reenacted John Adam's defense of the British Soldiers from the Boston Massacre, since our teacher wanted us to understand what a great example of American values that was: a man who so believed in the rule of law and rights of men that he defended those he vehemently disagreed with, even when threatened by his friends and neighbors.
The idea that you are comparing what you're doing to men like Adams, Jefferson and Washington sickens me. It cheapens their memory and paints you as unclear about the facts of our country's proud heritage.
The early Patriots were fighting against taxation without representation. They were fighting against a government that did not give them a say in its management. Guess what? You have the right to vote. So do I, so does every other American citizen. We vote for local, state and federal representatives. What part of that don't you get? People voted George W. Bush into office. For eight years, there were no Democrats calling for broken windows because of disagreements with GWB. Why? Because we understand that THAT'S THE WAY THAT DEMOCRACY WORKS.
What is it with you guys? Did my vote somehow not count? Because we disagree? I will fight to the death to preserve your right to vote... but apparently you want to fight to take away mine!
If you don't like the current system, organize like-minded people and vote the bums out. But the system we have -- which is the same one our Forefathers fought to establish and defend -- is the one that put Obama and Pelosi into office.
So either buck up and live with the fact that, this time, there's a (D) in the Oval Office, or shut up about violence against elected officials and their offices.
The Founding Fathers fought to bring us the system we've got; they didn't fight just for the sake of it.
Peace be to us all.
Oh cache is a lovely thing.
I've forwarded your stupid blog post to the FBI, wanker.
I can just imagine what your teabagging reaction would have been to liberals if they'd advocated violence against elected officials who voted in spades to invade Iraq. Oh I'm sure you would have been livid.
To the anonymous one who said...
But the system we have -- which is the same one our Forefathers fought to establish and defend -- is the one that put Obama and Pelosi into office
While your statements on the surface seem valid there is a major flaw in your logic. One that has not been mentioned in any of these comments, and may not even be known to many of the people leaving messages here.
WE DO NOT HAVE THE SAME SYSTEM THAT OUR FOREFATHERS HAD, AND THE RULE OF LAW HAS BEEN USURPED IN THIS NATION.
What do I mean? Its simple. I will show you 2 things that are completely provable facts. Not conspiracy's, but provable with very little effort on anyone's part.
1- The Constitution makes B.O. not eligible to hold the POSTUS position for 2 reasons(and neither have anything to do with where he was born.) Which means the voting process, has failed, as the FBI,etc have not upheld the highest law of the land.
1-- His father was a citizen of another country. This alone makes him not eligible to be President. A natural born citizen is one who has both parents born in this nation. (The founders did this to prevent a person from having a foreign allegiance if elected to POTUS.)
2-- He was required to become a citizen of Indonesia while living abroad, as the school would not allow foreigners attend. Then when returning to the US he would then have to be naturalized. This also makes him ineligible to be the POTUS. http://www.dailypaul.com/node/130029#comment-1391549
2 The second reason your argument is flawed, is our current voting system. Electronic voting, with no paper trail,and easily hacked voting machines, means massive fraud can be done w/o any or very little over sight. Don't believe me? go here and read.>> www.votefraud.org/
Now, without your argument, there is very little if anything at all that the Founders would be against when it comes to violence at this time..
(The only thing I would add, is instead of just breaking windows, find/locate and destroy those damn voting machines that are robbing us of honest elections!!) Mike, I hope you read this... THIS TYPE OF CALL TO ACTION WOULD SERIOUSLY CREATE SOME WAVES...
@Mackenna I love you. You are awesome! Also, I think there's a good chance the FBI already knows about this post. Didn't this make it into the national news?
Ha! I bet your brother owns a glass factory!
Government bureaucrats may annoy me, but you people scare me.
WWJD
wwjd? ===>
JOHN 2 (KING JAMES VERSION)
13And the Jews' passover was at hand, and Jesus went up to Jerusalem.
14And found in the temple those that sold oxen and sheep and doves, and the changers of money sitting:
15And when he had made a scourge of small cords, he drove them all out of the temple, and the sheep, and the oxen; and poured out the changers' money, and overthrew the tables;
16And said unto them that sold doves, Take these things hence; make not my Father's house an house of merchandise.
17And his disciples remembered that it was written, The zeal of thine house hath eaten me up.
You are deranged. I fear for my country because of people like you.
This is disgusting, immoral and undemocratic. You should be ashamed of yourself for saying it, and you should also be put in jail for inciting people to violence and to destruction of property.
It's people like you that are ruining the Unitedness of America.
As a young Alaskan affiliated with no political party, I want you to know that you're killing my country's future by using divisive behavior to 'get things done'.
Collaboration and compromise is the key to progress.
Please stop killing my country with your hate.
Maybe some of the bloggers who are excoriating Mike Vanderboegh would care to do better than hurl platitudes and soundbites. How about reading my open letter to Mike, and then posting something a little more thoughtful. See it in my March 29th article, "Window War: An Open Letter" at
http://catholicexchange.com/2010/03/29/128680/
Take heart! Frothing insanity is still alive in America!
Many institutions limit access to their online information. Making this information available will be an asset to all.
Being a long time human rights worker (SNCC), and one of those people who actually stood the line as the police advanced against us back in the Civil Rights era, I have a few words to share. Please read:
More people are in prisons in this nation than in any other nation in the world. More people are now in prison for harmless acts (such as marijuana possession) than are people who are actually violent. We are not a nation of criminals. We have become a nation with an evil government.
As children, we learned about the evil kings who took the grain of the farmers. We recognized this as an evil. Not kings, but politicians, are stealing our grain these days.
Politics don't matter any more: if we are not first humans, then we are missing the big picture.
I do not advocate tossing bricks, but even less, I advocate a government is allowed to initiate force against and hold in captivity harmless people with impunity.
Advocating the initiation of violence against anyone, whether against a politician or a tax protester who merely wants to keep the grain he has grown, is an ethical wrong.
I see so many posts of hatred here. Learn to tend to yourself, help all you can those in need, and be self-responsible enough to be able to defend yourself should the need arise. Live in peace. Avoid government as much as possible, Live simply. Spread peace instead of hate.
For those who defend and advocate government's initiation of force against innocents and harmless people, examine your motives. Politicians who issue orders that are backed by the initiation of force against innocent people need to be shunned, at the very least.
Do not be blind to the evil that this government has become, not only an evil in our own country, but around the Earth. This began long ago, not recently, by the way. Those in power like power, and they abuse it. Power is addictive.
Examine your motives: are you one who wishes to tell others what to do with their grain, and are you willing that some should be allowed to steal it so your ideas can be served?
Or are you one who will be self-responsible and live in peace?
We have not had the government of our founders since the Bill of Rights had to be parlayed in to a flawed document as a bit of hoped-for protection.
Those of you who have not learned the contradiction of defending government while advocating government's initiation of force against harmless humans need to go study history.
If the worst thing people do is toss bricks, rather than those things done by government agents, then I am not so worried about brick tossers as those who think stealing the grain of workers is all right if it is for "a good cause."
Listen to yourselves, those who condemn brick throwing, and defend government predations against humans. You are defending a great evil. If you think government theft is all right as long as it satisfies your agenda, you are ethically mistaken.
Use reason, and consider why you defend a government that kills innocents around the Earth, and imprisons millions at home.
There are other options to organize a peaceful, productive society that do not involve a government predicated on the initiation of force against the grain-growers.
Bricks tossed at buildings are the least of your worries: government agents are murdering and imprisoning innocents.
Where are your priorities?
Thank you for reading and considering these words.
Great advice. It's time!
frigging hilarious. keep it up and they WILL take away your guns ... for being insane.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pilG7PCV448
I don't think there's much if any thought process going on there at all, beyond what Fox News, Sarah Palin, and whatever Republican legislators from their state/districts have told them to spew. A lot of them even admit right there to the camera that they have no idea what's in the bill or what bothers them about it. I wonder how many of them are on or will be on Medicare/Medicaid. And I wonder how many of them have similarly marched against public education (Socialized Schooling!), mandatory auto insurance (Car Dictatorship!), and public funding of roads (Marxist Routing!), police dept. (Communist Gestapo!!), and parks (Socialized Trees!). I'm guessing not many. Even the bigwig teabagger that told everyone to go smash windows over the weekend is on the public dole for disability - for what sounds like a lot of self-induced reasons.
Hilarious. All this noise is just a bunch of ignoramuses easily whipped up by the talking heads they listen to, mixed with a lot of sore-loserism, some racism, and little else. They had a tea-party gathering outside of town here last week, and they were apparently passing around pirate flags of Obama's face with a bullethole in it.
Anyway, I'm impressed the interviewer managed to keep a straight face through all that. Still, I wonder if this guy interviewed anyone who had done some homework, or was he just cherry-picking dumbasses out of the crowd, Leno-style. I'd also like to know where he got his "2%" number for the tort reform argument. The closest I can think of is that is about the number of malpractice suits that end up going the patient's way. A statistic that is probably heavily influenced by the number of lawyers an insurance company can throw at a plaintiff. Then there's the number of extra costs and pointless extra tests and drugs doctors prescribe just to satisfy their malpractice requirements. And that's only treating it as a cost issue. Ordering all that extra stuff that the doc knows is unnecessary doesn't sound like good medicine to me, even if it were free. If you're just simply limiting the payout on a negligence case (Texas does this - guess who was responsible for that one?), then yeah, that would do almost no good. The definition needs to be expanded to all the things it impacts.
His conception of liberty justified the freedom of the individual ... the eldest son of the Scottish philosopher, historian and imperialist. thanks for sharing with us...
To everyone that agrees with the premise of the original post, i.e. resorting to violence to overthrow the government, I'd like you to look around the world and tell me just how often violence has worked in this day and age. If necessary I'll make a list of the disasters caused by such stupidity, but I'd prefer it if you learned about them on your own.
People that advocate violence have no place in a democratic society. People that see the world in black & white/good & evil terms have no place in a democratic society. And most importantly, people who ignore the TRUE will of the people have no place in ANY society.
The Tea Party and their ideological supporters do NOT speak for America no matter how many times the claim to do so. If you seriously consider throwing rocks through windows as a valid way of expressing your political desires, then you deserve to go to prison charged with a felony and therefore unable to vote in elections from that point on.
Control your anger and refocus it to useful ends. You also need to make sure that what you're angry about is actually happening the way that you think it is.
you are all sick
Cool! Author the best! Thank you!
Great solution master.LOL
Mike Vanderboegh will be the next after thomas et al...
violence attempts backfire. there are better ways in a democracy than what only hotheads can do.
http://www.salon.com/2010/03/26/vanderboegh/
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