Nice. Worse is what this boot-licking BSA official said later:
Charles Vonderheid with the Mid-Iowa Council Boy Scouts of America said Troop 11 learned a valuable lesson. “We want to make sure they follow the rules. A Scout is a good citizen. It would be a great lesson in civics for that young man and that troop,” he said.
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Charles Vonderheid = useful idiot.
I'm an Eagle Scout and I have a grandson that is, too. Today's Boy Scouts organization has been severely damaged by liberalism's political correctness. Of course, local leadership at the troop level can and often does overcome that.
- Grey Eagle
Here is Mr. Vonderheid's e-mail in case anyone would like to attempt to provide some education:
charles.vonderheid@scouting.org
I guess I shall try, futile as though it may be.
I'm no expert on the law, but is it a violation to take a picture of a border patrol agent? Seems a little harsh.
HinMO
So what they learned is that they should all be good little obedient slaves?
Sad.
Sounds like someone should sue for having their civil rights violated on a false premise (photography of agents isn't illegal) as well as having been illegally detained.
Well, it is a great lesson in *modern* civics. It's also a good lesson in how far the country has fallen.
if you don't know who they are, you
won't know what they eat for breakfast,
see? no photos allowed
this SOB makes me sick..southern border falls apart and the quiet northern one is treated like some invasion is coming through. Seems as though Boy Scouts is turning into a very strange organization to say the least
@HinMO, it is well established by many courts that photographing a public official when available to public view is a civil right protected by the First Amendment.
Take a look at photographyisnotacrime.com
to see how frequently this right is violated.
Courts have ruled time and time and time again that there is no expectation of privacy in public. Everything in public can be filmed. Especially police and others. Court case after court case after court case after court case yet these idiots still think you cant film them in public.
Here's our e-mail exchange below. As I expected, futile:
From: Mark Driver
Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2014 10:49 AM
To: Charles Vonderheid
Cc:
Subject: Border official points gun at Boy Scout
Dear Mr Vonderheid:
In the story linked below, you're quoted as saying, “We want to make sure they follow the rules. A Scout is a good citizen. It would be a great lesson in civics for that young man and that troop,”
You're kidding, right? An agent of the US government lies by stating "it is a federal offense to take a picture of a federal agent", and then he or a colleague proceeds to point a firearm at one of your scouts! I agree it was a teachable moment on the subject of Civics, but only if the scouts were taught how a tyrannical government official will use deceit and the threat of deadly force to rob the citizenry of their rights. If you are instead using this incident to school the youngsters on following the rules as laid out by government officials under the color of law, and defining a "good citizen" as one who follows these rules blindly, then I suggest you examine your adherance to that portion of the Boy Scout Oath that requires keeping "mentally awake, and morally straight".
In closing, I beg you to reconsider the message you have sent your scouts and to use this incident to create better informed citizens.
Regards,
Mark Driver
On Jul 23, 2014, at 11:54 AM, Charles Vonderheid wrote:
Mark
First, thank you for your passion related to the safety of the youth in our program.
Second, As I told the reporter I was not aware of the incident and therefore could not comment on it, but I would be happy to talk about the great charter building program that Scouting is and how taking a trip like this is a great way to build character. I am sorry you were misled by the piece that aired. The safety of youth and the quality of program is our number one concern. We are very happy the Troop is home safe and would not want this to happen to anyone.
Finally, if you would like to discuss this further you can reach me on my cell at 515-802-xxxx.
Charles Vonderheid | Director of Field Service
BOY SCOUTS OF AMERICA
Mid-Iowa Council
6123 Scout Trail
Des Moines, IA 50321-1601
P 515-266-2135 | F 515-265-4143
charles.vonderheid@scouting.org
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There are no Border Patrol Agents in Alaska. Zero. That was a Customs Officer. Different animal altogether.
It should go without saying that it is not illegal to photograph a Customs Officer.
Hm. Sunlight needed in a big way. Does the customs punk who committed assault with a deadly weapon have a name?
NTS
"Second, As I told the reporter I was not aware of the incident and therefore could not comment on it, but I would be happy to talk about the great charter building program that Scouting is and how taking a trip like this is a great way to build character. I am sorry you were misled by the piece that aired."
In other words, he claims that the lamestreamers misquoted him or took his words out of context. It's not too much of a stretch to believe that, but on the other hand, his words as quoted in the press are not hard to believe from a BSA official.
At least we know one BSA official got a valuable lesson in civics.
Obviously it's not against the law for a Federal Agent to point a gun at a member of the public, but the FBI was checking to see if they could charge members of the public at the Bundy Ranch for pointing guns at them.
Does the term 'double standard' come to mind here ?
The difference between Border Patrol and Customs is equivalent to the difference between the Einsatzgruppen and the Death's Head SS. They are all minions of Leviathan.
Yup, teach the Scouts that good citizinship entails kneeling next to the ditch when the Sturmfuehrer orders it.
_revjen45
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