Schweet - great little carbines for the small statured individuals you want to arm. Other than .30 carbine ammo being hard to find for reasonable price, I think that little carbine will really make her happy.
Not loud, hardly any recoil - a lot to like. Shoot, if someone would rechamber one in 7.62x25 Tok, I think you'd have a real winner.
And why would we expect an entity that's 61% controlled by the ever increasing socialist/marxist .gov to not sell to a country that proclaims the United States as its 'greatest enemy'?
We have lived to see the day when Nationalism has been prostituted to the altar of Fiat Banking and World Governance.
To quote a political commercial that the left absolutely is wetting their pants over:
Gather.
Your.
Armies.
As to the venerable .30 M1 Carbine, well, my 'missus' loves it too! Great minds, as they say.
Granted, it's GM's property to do with as they please. BUT -- this is just another example of the impoverishing of America by sending our hard asset manufactoring jobs overseas -- especially to countries that do not necessarily have our best interests at heart.
I´m gonna make someone mad I see it coming. Had one didn´t like it inaccurate and underpowered.There were complaints from the Troops in the Philippines about the same issues that I had. For Close-In work in the hands of smaller people(women and youth)it might be fine.A 20ga.would be better for that purpose. But I would use one if it was all I had.Then again I would use a rock if that´s all I had. Besides GM needs to sell something.
Let's see, Dennis. A 30-round mag in a carbine vs. 5 rounds in a 20-gauge. In terms of effectiveness on a man-sized target, assuming 4 shots out of the carbine equal 1 shot out of a 20-gauge, we have 30 rounds/4 = 7.5 goblins vs 5 goblins ... yep, the carbine's firepower makes it "better" than a 20-ga. Just make sure your smaller loved ones don't succumb to the temptation to shoot at any goblins more than 25 yards away.
Carried one in the rear area (Bien Hoa Army Base); troops had the M16. My boss asked me why I carried the carbine; I told him I was supposed to direct people. If I needed to shoot at the bad guys, we were in deep doo-doo.
Definite fun weapon to carry & fire. Be neat if one was made in .40 S&W ;-)))
Anon 2:07 A nice little invention that´s been around for awhile called a Magazine Extension Tube gives a shotgun up to 8 or 9 rounds with one in the chamber ready to go. And when you load a 20ga.with slugs you sill have accurate firepower out to 150yd.And it still has enough knockdown power to put down man sized game.
I'd STRONGLY advise all III-pers to check out the Kel-Tec Sub2000 Carbine.
9mm or .40, and available in several variations - each will interchange mags with a popular pistol. I have one which shares mags with my Sig .40, and another with my Beretta 9mm.
A 9mm round, out of the 16" bbl, packs as much energy (IIRC) at 100 yards as a .38 from a revolver at point-blank range. I've had no problems hitting our man-chest-sized steel plate at 150 yards with either of them - even to 200 with a bit of hold-over.
Folds in half at the breech and fits in a standard briefcase, computer-bag, bookbag, day-pack or whatever.
If you're fond of Glocks, the 30-round OEM mags are available for the Glock-model!
Simple blow-back operation, they're nigh on indestructible. The polymer fore-arm seems a weak-point, but I've never heard of anyone breaking it. Use a single-point sling and it could be concealed under a jacket, and brought into action in under a second with a little practice.
My only beef? Kicks like a damn mule, though there are ways to mitigate that as well.
All for under $350?!
As I said, I can't recommend them strongly enough. Makes a GREAT "trunk gun", and with some forethought greatly extends the utility of your carry-piece. If you can get to the trunk, you not only have lots of extra mags for the pistol, but a decent carbine as well!!
Guys that are talking about the value of the M1 Carbine are missing the point. It doesn't matter what Steering Gear made during WW2. What makes this story sorry is that we are selling our technology and manufacturing capacity to the ******* Chi-coms. Some day we'll need that shop, to make things to fight an enemy like the Chi-Coms or the Rus-coms, and guess what, it will be an empty shell of deteriorating building. The people that made things there, along with the tooling, will be gone. And then we'll be ******.
The capabilites of the M1 Carbine are secondary to the capacity of the Saginaw Steering Gear shops and the Americans that work there. We may soon come to regret the day when we lost Steering Gear to our enemy, along with other shops, mines, oilfields etal,
If you have the extra cash (with the emphasis on extra) you can opt for the 16" carbine version of the Super V. From everything I've heard and read it's one of the best subguns ever devised, very accurate and hard-hitting in .45 ACP.
Witchwood said: "If you have the extra cash (with the emphasis on extra) you can opt for the 16" carbine version of the Super V. From everything I've heard and read it's one of the best subguns ever devised, very accurate and hard-hitting in .45 ACP."
Or, you could have 6 of the KT Carbines I mentioned, with up to 30 +-round mags.
The ONLY advantage I can see to the Kriss is recoil-reduction. To me, it's not even close to worth the coin...
Say what you will, but with the addition of an M-2 trigger group (which in my youth could be had for $25 brand new mail order) it's a formidable little bang stick at close range.
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Schweet - great little carbines for the small statured individuals you want to arm. Other than .30 carbine ammo being hard to find for reasonable price, I think that little carbine will really make her happy.
Not loud, hardly any recoil - a lot to like. Shoot, if someone would rechamber one in 7.62x25 Tok, I think you'd have a real winner.
And why would we expect an entity that's 61% controlled by the ever increasing socialist/marxist .gov to not sell to a country that proclaims the United States as its 'greatest enemy'?
We have lived to see the day when Nationalism has been prostituted to the altar of Fiat Banking and World Governance.
To quote a political commercial that the left absolutely is wetting their pants over:
Gather.
Your.
Armies.
As to the venerable .30 M1 Carbine, well, my 'missus' loves it too! Great minds, as they say.
Granted, it's GM's property to do with as they please.
BUT -- this is just another example of the impoverishing of America by sending our hard asset manufactoring jobs overseas -- especially to countries that do not necessarily have our best interests at heart.
B Woodman
III-per
The kids and wife like my IBM carbine. Great beginner's center fire mil-style rifle. And, it's just a plain old fun gun to shoot.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=0heL2Czeraw&feature=related
Thought this might brighten your day, It did for me. We ain't licked yet.
I´m gonna make someone mad I see it coming.
Had one didn´t like it inaccurate and underpowered.There were complaints from the Troops in the Philippines about the same issues that I had.
For Close-In work in the hands of smaller people(women and youth)it might be fine.A 20ga.would be better for that purpose.
But I would use one if it was all I had.Then again I would use a rock if that´s all I had.
Besides GM needs to sell something.
Dennis
III
Texas
Let's see, Dennis. A 30-round mag in a carbine vs. 5 rounds in a 20-gauge. In terms of effectiveness on a man-sized target, assuming 4 shots out of the carbine equal 1 shot out of a 20-gauge, we have 30 rounds/4 = 7.5 goblins vs 5 goblins ... yep, the carbine's firepower makes it "better" than a 20-ga. Just make sure your smaller loved ones don't succumb to the temptation to shoot at any goblins more than 25 yards away.
Me, I'll take the 20-ga.
As far as the M1 carbine goes, isn't the SKS comparable? As well as being cheaper, and ammo more easily available?
B Woodman
III-per
Carried one in the rear area (Bien Hoa Army Base); troops had the M16. My boss asked me why I carried the carbine; I told him I was supposed to direct people. If I needed to shoot at the bad guys, we were in deep doo-doo.
Definite fun weapon to carry & fire. Be neat if one was made in .40 S&W ;-)))
Gunner
Anon 2:07
A nice little invention that´s been around for awhile called a Magazine Extension Tube gives a shotgun up to 8 or 9 rounds with one in the chamber ready to go. And when you load a 20ga.with slugs you sill have accurate firepower out to 150yd.And it still has enough knockdown power to put down man sized game.
Dennis
III
Texas
I'd STRONGLY advise all III-pers to check out the Kel-Tec Sub2000 Carbine.
9mm or .40, and available in several variations - each will interchange mags with a popular pistol. I have one which shares mags with my Sig .40, and another with my Beretta 9mm.
A 9mm round, out of the 16" bbl, packs as much energy (IIRC) at 100 yards as a .38 from a revolver at point-blank range. I've had no problems hitting our man-chest-sized steel plate at 150 yards with either of them - even to 200 with a bit of hold-over.
Folds in half at the breech and fits in a standard briefcase, computer-bag, bookbag, day-pack or whatever.
If you're fond of Glocks, the 30-round OEM mags are available for the Glock-model!
Simple blow-back operation, they're nigh on indestructible. The polymer fore-arm seems a weak-point, but I've never heard of anyone breaking it. Use a single-point sling and it could be concealed under a jacket, and brought into action in under a second with a little practice.
My only beef? Kicks like a damn mule, though there are ways to mitigate that as well.
All for under $350?!
As I said, I can't recommend them strongly enough. Makes a GREAT "trunk gun", and with some forethought greatly extends the utility of your carry-piece. If you can get to the trunk, you not only have lots of extra mags for the pistol, but a decent carbine as well!!
DD
Guys that are talking about the value of the M1 Carbine are missing the point. It doesn't matter what Steering Gear made during WW2. What makes this story sorry is that we are selling our technology and manufacturing capacity to the ******* Chi-coms. Some day we'll need that shop, to make things to fight an enemy like the Chi-Coms or the Rus-coms, and guess what, it will be an empty shell of deteriorating building. The people that made things there, along with the tooling, will be gone. And then we'll be ******.
The capabilites of the M1 Carbine are secondary to the capacity of the Saginaw Steering Gear shops and the Americans that work there. We may soon come to regret the day when we lost Steering Gear to our enemy, along with other shops, mines, oilfields etal,
Thanks. Frank 3%
WTF is this country coming to?
Never mind, that was a rhetorical question, I know.
It sorrows me also...
If you have the extra cash (with the emphasis on extra) you can opt for the 16" carbine version of the Super V. From everything I've heard and read it's one of the best subguns ever devised, very accurate and hard-hitting in .45 ACP.
Witchwood said: "If you have the extra cash (with the emphasis on extra) you can opt for the 16" carbine version of the Super V. From everything I've heard and read it's one of the best subguns ever devised, very accurate and hard-hitting in .45 ACP."
Or, you could have 6 of the KT Carbines I mentioned, with up to 30 +-round mags.
The ONLY advantage I can see to the Kriss is recoil-reduction. To me, it's not even close to worth the coin...
DD
Say what you will, but with the addition of an M-2 trigger group (which in my youth could be had for $25 brand new mail order) it's a formidable little bang stick at close range.
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