Collectivist's inadvertent confession confirms their evil intentions AND condemns the NRA's "single-issue" avoidance of the illegal invasion threat.
And Gomer Pyle sez: "Thank you! Thank you! Thank you!"
It is unusual for me to do two posts from the same link, but my first reaction to this Adam Winkler piece merely pointed out that we don't need the NRA to defend our liberties. That is certainly true. But what I didn't notice until after a discussion with a long-time friend is what a gift Winkler has made us with this confession in the same article:
The fastest-growing minority group in America is Latinos. Between 2000 and 2010, the nation’s Latino population grew by 43 percent. Hispanics, which make up 17 percent of the population today, are expected to grow to 30 percent of the population in the coming decades. Gun control is extremely popular among Hispanics, with 75 percent favoring gun safety over gun rights.
It is impossible to overstate the favor that Winkler has done us by this triumphalist bragging about the "demographics gonna get yo momma" message to the NRA. This collectivist's inadvertent confession not only confirms their evil, confiscationist intentions but it absolutely condemns the NRA's "single-issue" avoidance of the illegal invasion threat. My partner in thought crime David Codrea has been banging this drum for some time now, only to be ignored or ridiculed by the NRA partisans on the Internet. The NRA, says these "pragmatists" (dubbed "prags" by the rest of us "radicals"), is a single issue organization and cannot get involved in the fight against illegal immigration. Now one of their worst enemies is unintentionally proving David's critique of the deliberately clueless NRA. I doubt we will hear anything about this from the likes of Say Uncle or Sebastian Snowflake, but Winkler has proven our case against the "single issue" canard, which is just a figleaf for the NRA's own cowardly caution.
Like Gomer Pyle said, "Thank you! Thank you! Thank you!"
28 comments:
I'm calling BS on that comment that the Hispanic is that high on pro gun control. If its anyone that is aware of how useless gun control in Mexico and Latin America has been, its the citizens of those countries. Drug cartels, revolutionaries and government troops take advantage of the unarmed citizen.
The NRA wants gun control, and getting more illegals who are conditioned to believe government control over the right to keep and bear arms hold on to the gun control model.
It isn't that the NRA just wants to avoid dealing with illegal immigration - that is just the excuse. The NRA literally WANTS those voters to keep the charade going for more generations. They WANT those illegals to keep right on flowing in. They want them turned into voters instantly too - makes for great fundraising emails come election time, which turns into slush funds to send to both democrats AND republicans! Gotta keep the cycle going....
Fudds need to wake up - or admit they don't really care about guns or rights - just keeping the cycle alive and the whippin boy status in place (like I talked about in the other thread).
Make no mistake, the single issue for the NRA is keeping that fundraising operation rolling! That requires keeping gun control rolling into legislatures and out of judicial decision, the more complicated the better! C'mon Americans, wake up. Send the gun control organization called the NRA packing....its bags.....while we pack our heat wether it is around or not!
Sending money to the NRA is not how you protect and defend your right to keep and right to bear. Exercising them is how that is best accomplished! Stop being conned!
I would like to point out that on any given day you would find that an overwhelming majority of the shooters at Miami-Dade County's Trail Glades Range are hispanics as are a similar proportion of the staff. And just to add some interest to the "stereotype slaying", the person in the position next to mine on my last visit was young, female, African American and by herself.
I should point out here that her targets looked better than most of the men's.
It's not just "illegal" immigrants that favor gun control, it's virtually ALL immigrants, from the Collectivist Eurotrash to the Statist Third Worlders looking for handouts. Demographics is destiny, and none of the current crop of immigrant invaders has any concept of limited government and maximum freedom, much less personal responsibility. America is the new Calcutta.
I think Mr. Winkler may be engaging in a fair amount of wishful thinking here.
They can pass all the legislation they want, it won't change anything. Laws and rules are just words on paper and words on paper do not control anybody's actions. People only obey the law (and the rules) when it is convenient (or at least not too INconvenient). Criminals already disregard laws they find inconvenient. Otherwise they wouldn't be criminals. Hell! The rest of us disregard laws and ordinances when it is inconvenient. If it were otherwise cops wouldn't have to issue citations for violations of the traffic LAWS.
Hell! The lefties disregard laws THEY find inconvenient. Can you spell "sanctuary city"? All they're going to do is hasten a rebellion.
I think it's time to get a course and learn Spanish. I'm serious.
- Old Greybeard
It never ceases to amaze that people so want to come here, but when they get here, they want to make it like the cesspool they left behind. That says to me that they are insane and engaged in infiltration, not immigration and shouldn't be allowed in at all. Thanks for pointing out the NRA's error on these issues, too. They need to get an ear and mailbox full from the membership.
It's not about undocumented immigrants. Hispanic Americans have higher birth rates. It has nothing to do with "illegals".
Mike -- I love your work, and sure wish you'd stop beating up on the NRA. There are 5 million of us (NRA members) and we don't all agree with how Chris Cox runs the ILA. And when it comes to our Second Amendment rights, in the words of Ben Franklin, "We must, indeed, all hang together or, most assuredly, we shall all hang separately."
Oh for God's sake, 12:37 PM, stop being stupid. I'm calling BS on you.
Maybe it’s a disconnect between what they practice and how they vote. Or maybe not being “single issue voters,” they are willing to hold their nose and vote for a politician who wants to make guns illegal in order to get all the other warm and fuzzy socialist goodies. But all you have to do is enumerate the majority-Latino districts in the southwest and see what politicians “represent” them. Here in Arizona (ground zero) we already have Raul Grijalva and Krysten Sinema. Good luck with calling BS on that.
Don't believe that claim about Hispanics being in favor of gun control. Live in south Central Texas my entire life and I have yet to meet a "Hispanic" that is for gun control.
I call BS as well.
Ditto Anonymous I know several Hispanic/Latin families that are anti-gun control and have enough arms to make a difference in our AO.
Remember when anyone who noticed that current demographic trends means that whites are going to be a minority in this country Real Soon Now was shouted down and called a crazy-pants cuckoo bird?
Also, he's right.
Grandma Conchita doesn't want Li'l Paco getting ventilated when he's out being a high-spirited "yoot" who dint do nuffin wrong (i.e., playing the Knockout Game, robbing liquor stores, taking potshots at random gringos, etc.) and she WILL vote for anyone who'll take the gringos' guns away, so that he can carry on the Reconquista in complete safety. It's not like the gringos' law applies to anyone else, anyway.
These people come from countries with repressive leftist governments that control the behavior of populations by handing out free shit. They firmly believe the purpose of government is to give them free shit. And only soldiers and narco-gangsters have guns. Campesinos don't. They're perfect recruits for the Free Shit Army, which is why the Democrats bring them here by the millions.
If they had any actual, as opposed to theoretical, conservative leanings, like the Cubans do, the Democrats would move Heaven and Earth to keep them out.
So the assumption is that everyone in any society is totally aware of all the flaws of that society. And that assumption must be maintained as a religious belief in the face of massive contrary empirical evidence. Are you really that retarded?
I think it's vital to understand the role that IQ and a mentality of independence and self-reliance plays in people's attitude towards gun-control.
I know it's 'racist' to suggest that brown-skinned populations ever have a lower average intelligence than a given lighter-skinned population, but I'm half Chinese and we're genetically programmed to regard other races as inferior anyway, so I plead invincible incapacity to not be a racist (also, we all know only white racism counts anyway). Hispanics aren't smart enough to figure out the reason their countries always suck is because of the policies they support and their own lack of personal responsibility. They are more susceptible to social conformity at least partly because they come from populations which have for centuries been subjected to intense selective pressure not to challenge authority. Whether or not you believe there are any genetic factors at play here (and I can assert with some certainty that it is impossible that genetics don't influence the strength of social instincts), people who come from cultures where championing individual rights carries a high likelihood of early death or severe social marginalization are unlikely to inherit a strong desire to do so whether that desire is transmitted genetically or culturally.
Intelligent, independence-minded individuals are treasures no matter where in the world they or their ancestors originated. But it is idiotic to believe that every nationality and culture produces such people at the exact same rate. A culture that emphasizes rewarding people for individual achievement and creativity is superior to cultures that don't for a lot of reasons, and making it more likely that children from that culture will be intelligent individualistic is one of them.
Obviously, the strongest selection factor in people choosing to be illegal rather than legal immigrants is because they do not qualify for the already overly generous policy of legal immigration into this country. A close second is a total lack of respect for our laws and cultural norms and a belief that they are entitled to what we have without any understanding of how we came to have it. Those two reasons account for virtually all illegal immigrants, with a massive overlap. Illegal immigrants who could have qualified for legal status are vanishingly rare even if they are the only ones ever depicted in narrative fiction, those who understand and respect the ideas of Constitutionally limited government, individual rights, and personal responsibility are only slightly less rare.
I frankly wouldn't care if these people happened to be against gun-control, as their reasons would undoubtedly be overwhelmingly categorically wrong and they wouldn't respect our laws enough to bother voting single-issue against laws which would criminalize something they wanted to do since they don't bother obeying our laws in the first place.
agreed
Hillary Clinton praised Australia's gun control measures, which seized 650,000 guns
http://www.vox.com/2015/8/27/9212725/australia-buyback
UncleBert sez: "Mike -- I love your work, and sure wish you'd stop beating up on the NRA. There are 5 million of us (NRA members) and we don't all agree with how Chris Cox runs the ILA. And when it comes to our Second Amendment rights, in the words of Ben Franklin, 'We must, indeed, all hang together or, most assuredly, we shall all hang separately.'"
My fight, Uncle Bert, is with the leadership not the membership, but you have to ask yourself at some point, to what extent is the membership culpable for allowing such "leadership" to pervert the mission? As far as the Ben Franklin quote, I use it myself often, but it is hard to see common cause with LaPierre, Cox and Co. when they are selling the rope (a la Lenin) to our enemies and making sure the steps to the gallows are in good repair.
Jesus wept, and now we know why. The Hispanics are an invading force. Keep asking yourself whether they support the NRA, meantime there are 40 million of them who were imported illegally to this country under both Dem and Rep admins. You fckers need to wake up. Read your Bracken. Watch the follwing videos (most avail on Itunes, ya I know it's commie but these videos are highly instructive). I spent 5 years living in AZ, I saw plenty of 2A Latinos at the range and sometimes left when the muzzle discipline became scarce. BTW I'm not saying there aren't honorable Latinos. Let's make a deal, we clean this shit up here and then we can go down south and get you a nice ranch as we free your people.
Cartel Land
Legend of Shorty
Narco Cultura
You need to watch these because your "betters" have imported a world of hurt in an effort to gain cheap landscaping and votez.
Another assumption that hasn't panned out (as of yet) is that these "Future Americans" will bother to become citizens. Many of them don't. We'll leave aside the issue of non-citizens voting in elections for the moment. They're here for the jobs and the free stuff. If they were interested in running a country the one they're leaving wouldn't be in such bad shape.
Bert should take a good look at his own advice. And then take it. Either the CONTROLLERS of the NRA don't care what its membership thinks or the CONTROLLING majority of members WANT the gun controlling permission slip state government power over our inalienable rights. Personally, I am sick of people blaming those of us telling the truth about what the NRA DOES, instead of hammering the NRA "leaders" themselves. See, that action shows the problem rests with both the controllers AND the members together.
You NRA members should try coming around to the realization that so many of us former members had to face honestly - show the NRA that you understand how it lost its way the best way you can..... turn away from trying to excuse its gun controlling positions and join us over here in the fight against gun control organizations.
There are bright folks on this page, but a surprising number of propagandist and idiots posting delusional garbage. Especially, "anonymous".
"I'm calling BS on that comment that the Hispanic is that high on pro gun control. If its anyone that is aware of how useless gun control in Mexico and Latin America has been, its the citizens of those countries. Drug cartels, revolutionaries and government troops take advantage of the unarmed citizen."
Let's just fix that for him: "If anyone SHOULD BE aware of how useless gun control in Mexico and Latin America has been, its the citizens of those countries. YET THEY COME TO THE US AND VOTE OVERWHELMINGLY DEMOCRAT, AND SURVEY AFTER SURVEY SHOW THEY LEAN HEAVILY ANTI-GUN."
How about this: "If anyone SHOULD BE aware of how DEADLY gun control has been, its JEWS. YET THEY VOTE OVERWHELMINGLY DEMOCRAT, AND SURVEY AFTER SURVEY SHOW THEY LEAN HEAVILY ANTI-GUN."
Lot's of people SHOULD BE aware of this & that, but aren't. Welcome to the real world.
Anonymous makes another genius observation:
"on any given day you would find that an overwhelming majority of the shooters at Miami-Dade County's Trail Glades Range are hispanics"
Let's fix that too: "an overwhelming majority of shooters at Miami-Dade County's Trail Glades Range are hispanics. YET THAT IS TOTALLY CONSISTENT WITH THE FACT THAT THE VAST MAJORITY OF HISPANICS IN THE USA LEAN HEAVILY DEMOCRAT & ANTI-GUN. ONLY A MORON WOULD THINK IT PROVES MOST HISPANICS ARE CONSERVATIVE REPUBLICANS AND GUN RIGHTS SUPPORTERS."
And again:
"Don't believe that claim about Hispanics being in favor of gun control. Live in s Central Texas my entire life and I have yet to meet a Hispanic for gun control."
In this case, it’s hard to fix a BIG lie. 100% of Hispanics in S.Cent TX oppose gun control? Really. It's *possible* the guy's been an invalid shut-in from birth and never met anyone at all, in which case his claim would be technically true and still morally a lie. But if he *has* met a lot of Hispanics, odds are virtually zero that not a single one supported gun control, unless maybe he wears an NRA hat every day of his life and they tell him what they already know he wants to hear to avoid arguing with an obnoxious Left-"Libertarian" dunce.
And again:
"Ditto Anonymous I know several Hispanic/Latin families that are anti-gun control and have enough arms to make a difference in our AO."
Let's fix that for him: "I know several Hispanic/Latin families that are anti-gun control and have enough arms to make a difference. BUT THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE FACT THAT THE VAST MAJORITY OF SUCH FAMILIES LEAN DEMOCRAT AND ANTI-GUN. ONLY A MORON WOULD NOT SEE THAT IF THERE ARE, SAY, 100 MILLION HISPANICS, AND 80% OR 80m OF THEM LEAN D & ANTI-GUN, THAT MEANS 20m DO NOT LEAN D & ANTI-GUN, AND SEVERAL MILLION ARE VERY CONSERVATIVE, REPUBLICAN, AND PRO-GUN. SO ONLY A MORON WOULD THINK THAT KNOWING SEVERAL PRO-GUN FAMILIES PROVES HISPANICS TEND TO BE PRO-GUN. ONLY A MORON ASSUMES SEVERAL ANECDOTES ARE REPRESENTATIVE AND SHOULD BE GENERALIZED INTO A PROJECTION OF THE POPULATION."
Here's an anonymous we don't need to fix:
"So the assumption is that everyone in any society is totally aware of all the flaws of that society. And that assumption must be maintained as a religious belief in the face of massive contrary empirical evidence. Are you really that retarded?"
Yes, apparently he *is* that retarded!
Finally, UncleBert said...
"Mike - love your work, sure wish you'd stop beating up on the NRA. There are 5m of us (NRA members) and we don't all agree with how Chris Cox runs the ILA. And when it comes to our 2A rights, in the words of Ben Franklin, "We must, indeed, all hang together or, most assuredly, we shall all hang separately."
Seems UncleBert likes arguing by strawman.
First off, exposing the vampire subversives who run the NRA is not the same as beating up the membership -- although as the post above mine righteously observes, members who know about management's corruption & subversion and still support management anyway truly deserve a "beating". It's one thing to be ignorant, but knowing support of corruption and subversion give UnkleBert an heightened level of responsibility for the destruction of the USA.
2nd, the Rodney King, "can't we all just get along" whine is the plea of every RINO subversive when they're forcing gullible conservatives to roll over for their treason, take big commie Cox up the sphincter without even the common courtesy of a reacharound.
3rd, it's like saying George Washington should've stayed good pals with Benedict Arnold. LaPew & Cox are corrupt subversives, stuffing 100s of millions of $s into their pockets, their sweetheart vendor pals' pockets, and the pockets of corrupt RINO subversives and traitors like Cantor & Cochran. If you have traitors and fools in your command post, you either remove them, or if you can't, then get out of there and join a loyal group like GOA.
Back to the dimwit extrapolation based on a Miami-Dade gun range. How dumb must one be to think it's significant that the majority of shooters at a range in a heavily Cuban community would be ... ta dah ... Hispanic? How dumb do you have to be to think Cubans don't tend to be more conservative than the typical third world invader from a corrupt banana republic with no history or clue of liberty?
I want to clarify that I'm all for gun-control as long as it doesn't impair the right to keep (own and retain possession) and bear (carry on one's person) arms (all weapons suitable for defensive military applications).
I have no problem whatsoever with advocacy of muzzle/trigger/fire discipline, I enjoy perusing such advice and try to apply it when practical. I do not fault warnings against weapons which are not suitable for defensive military applications, such as those which kill indiscriminately, are ineffective against threats, endanger the user, or are just all-round bad ideas. I'm positively in favor of designs and after-market accessories which improve the practical ergonomics of a weapon so as to improve my ability to put rounds on target with less acquisition time and more precision. In fact I LOVE gun-control, especially legal ownership of firearms.
I'm also open to considering legal standards which define some things as not constituting a proper military arm, as long as they are applied impartially. For instance, if paper bags full of dog poo are not counted as arms, I don't want to see them funded in the next NDAA (actually, I really don't want them, or anything equally useless, in the NDAA regardless of whether I'm granted the right to keep and bear them). I can also see some possible employments of firearms as not being included in the organic definition of keeping or bearing them. Pointing a gun at a store clerk's head while demanding he give you money may not be easy to accomplish without having kept or borne that gun at some point, but it is neither keeping nor bearing.
So there's all kinds of gun control laws I don't consider to violate the Second Amendment. And while I'm not really in favor of laws that single out weapons, I'm not terribly upset about them if they don't violate the Second Amendment or grant special privileges to a given class of society which are denied to ordinary citizens (i.e. title of Nobility).
The point being that too often the term "gun-control" is used in an entirely deceptive sense. Everyone likes to control a gun, one way or another. Most people agree that some forms of control over guns should be backed by legal standards...I like the idea of owning a gun and being able to have legal recourse against anyone who steals it. Those who wish to disarm the common citizen say "gun-control" but really they mean something quite different.
They mean "tyranny empowerment".
And I'm against that whether or not it involves legislation.
Wow! Another anonymous genius!
Most S. FL Hispanics are REPUBLICANS? REALLY???
They're mostly CUBAN? Really? What's that?
They're not a unified block any more than Euros are? Does that beg the question from the movie Crash? "Ah. Well then I guess the big mystery is, who gathered all those remarkably different cultures together and taught them all how to park their cars on their lawns?"
The term Hispanic was "pretty much" invented by the EEOC? Does that mean EEOC was around in the 1500s when it was first used in English, or the 1800s when it was used in the USA to broadly describe Spanish cultural heritage?
Hispanics will also tell you that in S. & C. America there are no Hispanics? They call themselves something else? ALL of them? Really? Does that mean someone from Honduras with the last name "Columbus" is not really Hispanic? Does that mean that a Caucasian from Britain can only be described as British, and not Caucasian?
There's more disparity and antagonism between Peruvians, Bolivians, Ecuadorians, and Colombians than there will ever be between us and the Mexicans? Wow! Really??? And that's relevant to the the typical voting preferences of Hispanics in the USA how?
If you suggested you consider them all to be the same they would quickly decide who the retard is? If you suggested that I suggested that I consider them all to be the same, do I get to decide who the retard is?
Are you saying that a statistic is only valid if every individual and subgroup and overlapping group behaves exactly the same as the average? That's very enlightening!
Are you an ethnologist or a sociologist or a geographer or a professor of the obvious or something like that?
P.S. "Get one of your kids to show you how to control your caps lock key."
Yeah, sorry about that. Your mom was blocking the keyboard.
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