So now the ATF is watching all the people buying and selling online and trying to see if they can trip some of them up on some obscure regulation or law? Nice.
I have a point I'd like clarified. The ATF is about to make a raid. They come and tell me, as a neighbor, I have to leave my home. I say, "Bugger off MoFo". What now? Do they try force? Do they quit drama queening and go about the raid? What legal justification/law do they cite to get me to leave? Police emergency? No, they are not police. Martial law? Only a civilian authority can declare martial law. Just curious. I wouldn't leave anyway, gun fight or no. And, I refuse to take orders from dirt bags.
They've been playing with what it means to "manufacture" a firearm for a number of years now. Fellow smithy friends that only carried an 01 license have run into that, where things that had always been considered "gunsmithing" are treated as manufacturing on an INCONSISTENT basis. General F-Troop "Make It Up As We Go, Depending On How We Feel That Day" MO.
THEORETICALLY, you can do a lot of things without even an 01...BUT...you are safer with an 07 if you are going to build things for sale, as they have ruled at times that things such as caliber conversions and barreling an already "on paper" receiver is manufacturing instead of smithing.
Been going a number of years now. For a good example, put "larry crow ffl accused of manufacturing Competitive Edge" into your favorite searching engine.
Then you have the issue of "constructive possession". This means that having the materials and ability to do something illegal is the same as actually doing it. They aren't any more polite to 01 smiths that aren't 07 SOTs than non-FFLs, and they haven't been exactly polite to many 07 SOTs.
I think the lesson to be learned here is that if you gain the attention of the Federal agency they will take you away and take your guns. After all you might be a "danger to yourself or others."
Ahhhhh takes me back to the heady days of the old USSR, if you oppose the "State" then you must be mentally deranged and hauled off to the mental ward and later the Gulags for "reeducation" ..... memories.
And remember this regarding the travails of this man: the process is the punishment. If nothing happens to him and he goes scot free and no charges are ultimately filed, the Feds still have won a victory in that a message has been sent to those with an interest in firearms--we are the State and we have the power to turn your life upside down. All of this stinks. Dale in MO
Why would the various agencies want to go after the hardcore criminals? The hardcore criminals have no assets to seize other than low value or no value stuff. They are caught with a stolen gun, a couple hundred bucks, and drugs. The system then has to return the gun to the legal owner or pay to destroy the gun, the money is chump change, and the drugs have to be destroyed. No profit for the system. Meanwhile, people like this have retirement pensions and bank accounts, houses, cars, and all sorts of miscellaneous property that can be seized and sold at a police auction with the proceeds going to the agency. It is more profitable to go after generally law-abiding people performing slight irregularities.
Next, it is expensive to prosecute and jail a career criminal. That expense falls to the justice system because the system must pay to hire the public defender to defend the criminal. Meanwhile, the law abiding have money to spend on attorneys to defend them and will spend themselves into bankruptcy to stay out of jail. That money trickles into the justice system machine and keeps the machinery greased. A huge fine and a couple of months in jail serves the machines purpose because it makes money off of the person and makes the point to other citizens not to cross them. Meanwhile, gangbangers do not fear going to jail because that is where their friends are, where they recruit new members, and where they learn new skills. Putting a gangbanger in jail costs the system money. No profit for the system. Easier and more profitable to grease the machine with the citizens money.
Finally, a career criminal just does not care. If their backs are against the wall and they believe that a long jail term is coming, there is no reason not to fight. Might as well dust a couple of cops and get some street cred since dying in jail for a three strike felony is the same as dying in jail for killing a couple of cops. Meanwhile, the citizen stands there passively while the swat team rolls in, kills their dogs, terrorizes them and their families, and destroys thousands of dollars worth of property to find that one piece of evidence that will allow them to get power over the citizen. Once they have the evidence, any evidence, they can use it to extort the citizen out of everything they own just to avoid jail time for them and their family. Look at what they are doing to the Reese family.
The most profitable and safest route for the justice system to pursue is the law-abiding citizen who is tripped up on some technicality rather than the dangerous career criminal. Criminals look for a soft target, so it is no surprise that the jackbooted thugs do the same.
Not right, not fair, but this is what it has come to.
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You're right Mike. This one IS weird. Be sure to post anything new on it. Could be he's a Tea Partier.
The real story is an illegal search and seizure by a constitutionally illegal regime agency.
Verrrrrry Interesting...but not funny.
Let's all take a moment to give thanks for our super brave super heros in uniform who put it all on the line daily to keep us safe.
God knows what could have happened had this man been allowed to assemble an unlicensed musket.
So now the ATF is watching all the people buying and selling online and trying to see if they can trip some of them up on some obscure regulation or law? Nice.
I have a point I'd like clarified. The ATF is about to make a raid. They come and tell me, as a neighbor, I have to leave my home. I say, "Bugger off MoFo". What now? Do they try force? Do they quit drama queening and go about the raid? What legal justification/law do they cite to get me to leave? Police emergency? No, they are not police. Martial law? Only a civilian authority can declare martial law. Just curious. I wouldn't leave anyway, gun fight or no. And, I refuse to take orders from dirt bags.
They've been playing with what it means to "manufacture" a firearm for a number of years now. Fellow smithy friends that only carried an 01 license have run into that, where things that had always been considered "gunsmithing" are treated as manufacturing on an INCONSISTENT basis. General F-Troop "Make It Up As We Go, Depending On How We Feel That Day" MO.
THEORETICALLY, you can do a lot of things without even an 01...BUT...you are safer with an 07 if you are going to build things for sale, as they have ruled at times that things such as caliber conversions and barreling an already "on paper" receiver is manufacturing instead of smithing.
Been going a number of years now. For a good example, put "larry crow ffl accused of manufacturing Competitive Edge" into your favorite searching engine.
Then you have the issue of "constructive possession". This means that having the materials and ability to do something illegal is the same as actually doing it. They aren't any more polite to 01 smiths that aren't 07 SOTs than non-FFLs, and they haven't been exactly polite to many 07 SOTs.
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I think the lesson to be learned here is that if you gain the attention of the Federal agency they will take you away and take your guns. After all you might be a "danger to yourself or others."
Ahhhhh takes me back to the heady days of the old USSR, if you oppose the "State" then you must be mentally deranged and hauled off to the mental ward and later the Gulags for "reeducation" ..... memories.
Aren't there enough REAL criminals to keep these guys busy? Or is this an intimidation agenda?
There are ALWAYS actual firearms if you are being targeted, Anonymouse. If there aren't any, the government shall provide.
You don't seem to understand how they "play their game".
And remember this regarding the travails of this man: the process is the punishment. If nothing happens to him and he goes scot free and no charges are ultimately filed, the Feds still have won a victory in that a message has been sent to those with an interest in firearms--we are the State and we have the power to turn your life upside down. All of this stinks.
Dale in MO
Why would the various agencies want to go after the hardcore criminals? The hardcore criminals have no assets to seize other than low value or no value stuff. They are caught with a stolen gun, a couple hundred bucks, and drugs. The system then has to return the gun to the legal owner or pay to destroy the gun, the money is chump change, and the drugs have to be destroyed. No profit for the system. Meanwhile, people like this have retirement pensions and bank accounts, houses, cars, and all sorts of miscellaneous property that can be seized and sold at a police auction with the proceeds going to the agency. It is more profitable to go after generally law-abiding people performing slight irregularities.
Next, it is expensive to prosecute and jail a career criminal. That expense falls to the justice system because the system must pay to hire the public defender to defend the criminal. Meanwhile, the law abiding have money to spend on attorneys to defend them and will spend themselves into bankruptcy to stay out of jail. That money trickles into the justice system machine and keeps the machinery greased. A huge fine and a couple of months in jail serves the machines purpose because it makes money off of the person and makes the point to other citizens not to cross them. Meanwhile, gangbangers do not fear going to jail because that is where their friends are, where they recruit new members, and where they learn new skills. Putting a gangbanger in jail costs the system money. No profit for the system. Easier and more profitable to grease the machine with the citizens money.
Finally, a career criminal just does not care. If their backs are against the wall and they believe that a long jail term is coming, there is no reason not to fight. Might as well dust a couple of cops and get some street cred since dying in jail for a three strike felony is the same as dying in jail for killing a couple of cops. Meanwhile, the citizen stands there passively while the swat team rolls in, kills their dogs, terrorizes them and their families, and destroys thousands of dollars worth of property to find that one piece of evidence that will allow them to get power over the citizen. Once they have the evidence, any evidence, they can use it to extort the citizen out of everything they own just to avoid jail time for them and their family. Look at what they are doing to the Reese family.
The most profitable and safest route for the justice system to pursue is the law-abiding citizen who is tripped up on some technicality rather than the dangerous career criminal. Criminals look for a soft target, so it is no surprise that the jackbooted thugs do the same.
Not right, not fair, but this is what it has come to.
Jimmy L
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