Better mechanisms for helping the mentally ill must be part of the solution, and we gun owners need to first of all admit that and secondly get out in front of the issue so that we can participate in shaping the solution. Due process is a huge issue, and life-long gun bans because of a non-professional hunch are a non-starter. Still, there are people out there that desperately need help and should not have access to guns. Colorado would have played out very differently in California because of the reporting and follow-up requirements spelled out in CA Penal Code 5150, probably it would have been avoided entirely and the guy would have been under treatment instead of shooting that day. Very likely, something similar could be said of Newton. CT passed a law similar to PC5150, but the ACLU blocked implementation, probably on due process grounds. I'm not saying it will be easy to craft a law that both is effective and provides due process, but it needs to be done. PC5150 isn't perfect, but it is a model to start with.
David Kupelian has an excellent article in World Net Daily today, http://www.wnd.com/2013/01/the-giant-gaping-hole-in-sandy-hook-reporting/. In it he reports the many atrocities where guns were used and anti-depressant drugs evidently played a part. He seems to have researched the topic well and provides very useful information ignored by the msm.
AJ - your observation is particularly pertinent when one considers that Mr. Lanza was early on reported to be confirmed as deceased at the hands of one or the other of his sons - who were also both reported to be deceased as well. When the actual facts didn't match the reported 'facts' - there was a LOT of scurrying to change the 'narrative'. Astronomical indeed...........
The middle-ground of any kind of "mental illness disqualification" legislation EO implementation will bring everyone under the kind of scrutiny that a person on Active Duty is under if they have any kind of personal problem. The military goes significantly out of its' way to propagandize personnel to speak to the Mental Health Professionals who are available 24/7 on every base. A person might as well be confessing to their Commander, and expect a huge personal and professional backlash that may be permanent (or career-ending) over being made miserable by an unfaithful spouse/money shortage/car accident/stress. Everybody knows that you conceal everything and never-ever tell a shrink, or even a uniform-wearing Chaplain, anything significant that could have you be determined to be less than 100% ready-to-go.
Here it comes. UCMJ-style justice (investigative "help") is the best you can hope for from a corporate oligarchical fascism-lite.
"Better mechanisms for helping the mentally ill must be part of the solution, and we gun owners need to first of all admit that and secondly get out in front of the issue so that we can participate in shaping the solution."
Somebody here still suffers under the delusion that he, rather than the ruling class and their cronies, controls what happens in lawmaking. This is naive. Government does not work for you, Anon. It works for those in government.
I have long been suspicious of the "don't blame guns, blame poor mental health" tactic. It's going to come back around to bite us in the ass. Asylums were very popular in the Soviet Union.
Oppose anything that harms the USA, the Constitution, or the gun rights movement, or sacrifices groups of decent gun owners for the greater good, Howard ...
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Better mechanisms for helping the mentally ill must be part of the solution, and we gun owners need to first of all admit that and secondly get out in front of the issue so that we can participate in shaping the solution. Due process is a huge issue, and life-long gun bans because of a non-professional hunch are a non-starter. Still, there are people out there that desperately need help and should not have access to guns. Colorado would have played out very differently in California because of the reporting and follow-up requirements spelled out in CA Penal Code 5150, probably it would have been avoided entirely and the guy would have been under treatment instead of shooting that day. Very likely, something similar could be said of Newton. CT passed a law similar to PC5150, but the ACLU blocked implementation, probably on due process grounds. I'm not saying it will be easy to craft a law that both is effective and provides due process, but it needs to be done. PC5150 isn't perfect, but it is a model to start with.
Get this: The fathers of James Holmes and Adam Lanza were both slated to testify in the LIBOR scandal. What are the odds? Hint: astronomical.
Ditto.
David Kupelian has an excellent article in World Net Daily today, http://www.wnd.com/2013/01/the-giant-gaping-hole-in-sandy-hook-reporting/. In it he reports the many atrocities where guns were used and anti-depressant drugs evidently played a part. He seems to have researched the topic well and provides very useful information ignored by the msm.
The mentally ill aren't any more violent.
But people on SSRI suicide drugs are.
Over 4,800 cases with media reports of violence from the SSRI & SNRI antidepressants.
http://ssristories.com/
Big Pharma Kills.
AJ - your observation is particularly pertinent when one considers that Mr. Lanza was early on reported to be confirmed as deceased at the hands of one or the other of his sons - who were also both reported to be deceased as well. When the actual facts didn't match the reported 'facts' - there was a LOT of scurrying to change the 'narrative'.
Astronomical indeed...........
AJ....That was debunked.
http://occupycorporatism.com/no-viable-connection-between-peter-lanza-us-senate-libor-hearings/
The middle-ground of any kind of "mental illness disqualification" legislation EO implementation will bring everyone under the kind of scrutiny that a person on Active Duty is under if they have any kind of personal problem. The military goes significantly out of its' way to propagandize personnel to speak to the Mental Health Professionals who are available 24/7 on every base. A person might as well be confessing to their Commander, and expect a huge personal and professional backlash that may be permanent (or career-ending) over being made miserable by an unfaithful spouse/money shortage/car accident/stress. Everybody knows that you conceal everything and never-ever tell a shrink, or even a uniform-wearing Chaplain, anything significant that could have you be determined to be less than 100% ready-to-go.
Here it comes. UCMJ-style justice (investigative "help") is the best you can hope for from a corporate oligarchical fascism-lite.
Cheers.
"Better mechanisms for helping the mentally ill must be part of the solution, and we gun owners need to first of all admit that and secondly get out in front of the issue so that we can participate in shaping the solution."
Somebody here still suffers under the delusion that he, rather than the ruling class and their cronies, controls what happens in lawmaking. This is naive. Government does not work for you, Anon. It works for those in government.
I have long been suspicious of the "don't blame guns, blame poor mental health" tactic. It's going to come back around to bite us in the ass. Asylums were very popular in the Soviet Union.
Oppose anything that harms the USA, the Constitution, or the gun rights movement, or sacrifices groups of decent gun owners for the greater good, Howard ...
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