Thursday, January 10, 2013

A little inside glimpse from Feinstein's office about new AWB.

(NOTE: This was originally posted a couple of days of ago, but some folks were having trouble with the link. Here it is again.)
Just received this from a reader:
I just got off the phone with Feinstein's office. . . I'll give you a rundown of what I learned:
* Semi-auto, fancy hunting rifles are on the exemption list. Staffer said he'd used one last time he went hunting--so much for the idea that politicians and judges that hunt with semi-autos will oppose the ban.
* He specifically brought up the Kel-Tec KSG as an example of something that they wanted to ban even though it's not semi-auto, so even though the bullet points on Diane's website don't mention extended tubes on pump guns or any other features like pistol grips on them, that doesn't mean they're going to be safe if she gets her way.
* They don't know how they're going to set up the NFA regulation for everything--that will be done with the help of an ATF agent coming over from FTB next week. Therefore, no idea if they'll allow standard NFA transfer with $200 tax for those suckers who register their guns.
* The regulations will be a loose set of guidelines giving ATF authority to set it up how they want, so the picture on the 22nd will still just be a partial picture.
As for the lists of features and the specific exemptions and specific bans, they can't release them until the bill comes out, but the staffer said I could ask some specific questions and he'd tell me what he knew:
* KSG--as already mentioned, Banned.
* M1 Garand is probably Safe.
(MBV Note: I'm not so sure since the Garand has a bayonet lug.)
* M1A/M14--Banned.
* Mini-14--Banned.
* M1 Carbine--Banned (hopefully this will upset some Fudds and older vets/collectors).
At first, he thought the M1-Carbine would be safe, but then he googled a picture of it. Basically, if he saw a magazine sticking below the body of the gun, and if it is a semi-auto, it's banned. He did a similar thing with the Garand and was apparently reading the Wikipedia page. His conclusion was that even though the gun was a military rifle, it "looked like you could hunt with it" and was limited in capacity. Apparently it's impossible to hunt with something that has a magazine sticking out the bottom--hey, since I've managed that before, maybe I can divide by zero too... This also showed that he has no conception of how quick it is to reload a Garand by pushing in a new En Bloc.
As for the new features test, flash suppressors and bayonet stubs are off the list, but he couldn't tell me the whole list, and just because a gun doesn't meet the features test doesn't mean it won't be placed on the specifically banned list. E.g., the M1A wouldn't necessarily fall under the ban if the feature's test only included the old features now that flash hider and bayonet stub are off the list, but it makes the specific ban list. I'd guess this will sweep up SKS's, Vz. 52 carbines, Saigas, Vepers, Hakims etc. (Or at least all of them that they actually Google and look at.) Since they have so little firearms knowledge, I would guess that they'll probably toss in a clause stating that ATF or the Attorney General can add items to the list in order to catch the ones they didn't Google (and to be able to expand the ban unilaterally later on.)
The phone call was a showcase of legislative ignorance, and of their disdain for us. The more I pretended not to know much about guns, the more they opened up to me about the law. I got the impression that they plan to go big or go home and to make quite a list of banned guns and features. From a few comments, I think that although bayonet stubs and flash hiders are gone, there may be more features being added to their list.


Anonymous said...

It never ceases to amaze me that every time the ATF gets caught in some major fuck-up, they come out of it with more power and greater authority! I am convinced it is no accident.


Anonymous said...

So how dose any of this matter? If one wepon, one magazine or one round of ammo is "baned" (something they have no lawfull power to do) ITS WAR. They have taken off the mask ,hideing the true face of the satanic evil that is the federal government.They have taken away all the rest of the Bill Of Rights. They say they WILL destroy the rest, and do it now, not later. This IS another Waco, let us not fail this time.

Anonymous said...

...waiting for the next Waco, Ruby Ridge ...they'll lite the fuse, not us.

Beware the Inner Circle. said...

Too bad that those who wage the war will be in their bunkers and out of reach. Unless of course they have a few oath keepers on staff. Et tu, Brute? The sweetness of that thought is almost too much to bear.

Paul X said...

A full ban (particularly one enabled by executive order) is better than a little ban; the most outrage will result. It's time to refresh the tree of liberty. I'm tired of wondering whether we are up to it. Let's find out.

TNLaw said...

Anonymous at 11:49,

This information may help get others off their rears if you can show them the guns they love to collect and shoot are on the ban list. It also shows just how much they are ripping off the mask.

Now that we know more of what they will ban, hopefully we can use this information to urge others to action--others who may not draw the line right where we are today, but who may still see this as crossing the line. Don't discount any allies you can get.

Crotalus said...

SUPER SOAKERS, AT THE READY! If you don't have one, a bucket of water will do!

Freedom First 1775 said...

Jeeze Mike, I was eating... Thanks.

Prayers to you and keep standing, we're here.

Moe Death said...

All but two of my weapons are on that list... and I'm sure that's only because they don't know Domino is an assault doggy... if the target is Bushmills. Oh well, I'm in good company, and that's a start.
Bill and Domino

Anonymous said...

Most probably Di Schwinefein's bill will catch the Garands too. The Garand has a pistol type grip behind the trigger "that can be gripped by the hand" as opposed to a straight stock. It's ambigious and very open to interpretation. And it's a semi on top of that.

Ed said...

Let's start another rumor. Political speech that opposes the Gun Control advocates will be banned, also.

Why stop at the 2nd Amendment when these people also find the 1st Amendment so inconvenient?

4th Amendment prohibition on warrantless searches. Also inconvenient. Bye bye.

5th Amendment? There will be convenient water boarding facilities at the reeducation camps.

How can this happen? Ask Joe Biden, the Executive Order expert. Congress is so inconvenient and leads to contested law with court intervention. Inefficient. Perhaps the Executive Branch will keep the Legislative Branch for window dressing or comedic distraction. When was the last time you saw an Executive Order contested? All it takes is for one elderly Supreme Court Justice to be taken down by the latest flu or norovirus epidemic and those pesky decisions will be no more. The new sign over the White House can be "Dictators R Us".
Terms of office for the President limited to two terms? Oh, another election will just be money that we cannot spare to spend. Executive Order can take care of that problem.

Anonymous said...

This is very similar to the way the Canadian Liberal Party banned and restricted various firearms like the AR-15 and variants. When the National Firearms Association submitted a Freedom of Information Act request to find out what where the criteria for banning the black guns came from, they discovered that the photos found in a Gun Digest annual were the basis of the decision.