About NDDA, but it applies on the town scale quite easily:
"...Fear is the psychological weapon of choice for totalitarian systems of power. Make the people afraid. Get them to surrender their rights in the name of national security. And then finish off the few who aren’t afraid enough. If this law is not revoked we will be no different from any sordid military dictatorship. Its implementation will be a huge leap forward for the corporate oligarchs who plan to continue to plunder the nation and use state and military security to cow the population into submission. "
I doubt their liberal-ass paper will approve my comment:
I'm sure a smart attorney will soon be filing a class action lawsuit against the mayor and the police department as there is a long-standing US Supreme Court decision AGAINST such practices which are unconstitutional. I've been waiting for someone in one of these states doing essentially the same thing (demanding ID - i.e. driver's licenses) of people when they're simply walking down the street. It's illegal and cops know it, but they've been intimidating people for years now to get us accustomed to their paramilitary presence. Nobody has challenged them in court - that I know of. But the day is coming . . . maybe this will be the test case.
Good luck Arkansas! It's time you stood up to this tyranny growing in your midst. Get a bunch of townspeople together and contact a really good lawyer. Then plan to resist this unconstitutional "demand to produce ID" and get a few of yourselves thrown in jail for refusing - essentially standing on your right to privacy and to travel peaceably and unmolested. You'll have to suffer damages (i.e. being falsely arrested and spending a couple of nights in jail, because they really love to do this kind of thing on a Friday night to hold you over the weekend. Then you will have suffered damages - loss of freedom to travel, loss of right to privacy, etc. Then your attorney can go after these criminals with badges - and the mayor.
Stand up for your rights! Fight back! Make it cost them so much that they'll never try these Gestapo tactics again.
The police and deputies in my area know they'd never get away with this kind of thing, so we don't have any trouble with them. Unfortunately you do, and unless you put a stop to it now, it will only get worse. They will justify a bigger budget every year from now on and hire more thugs to keep your town frightened and on edge.
While I find it totally reprehensible that a local paramilitary police department is so brazen, I find it much more reprehensible the a majority of the local citizens posting to the article are actually welcoming it!
Get used to it folks as it's coming to your neighborhood next. If it's not a local LE agency it will be comprised of federal goons. See for example: http://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2012/02/29/the-tsa-is-coming-to-a-highway-near-you/
Once again, what's really disturbing about this is the broad acceptance by the mind-numbed drones which now dominate our population.
Chief Stoval is in the wrong line of business. He has the perfect neo-nazi attitude so admired at TSA. If his actions are as big as his mouth, I see a bankrupt city from a rash of lawsuits. The people need to take back their streets if they are serious about combating crime. Get armed, get mean.
Anon 1:12, you brought to mind a scene from "The Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test." It's been a long time, so I may have forgotten parts of the story. Please forgive me my mistakes.
A black man had inherited a goodly sum of money and wanted to have some fun & shake up his town. Kesey told him to hire a black man to come into town on the Greyhound wearing a white suit. The next day have another black man in a hits suit get off the bus, and the next, and the next, nd the next.
The powers that be would go crazy. Now, imagine these black men in huge suits working around Paragould, AR, mutely refusing to provide ID. If you had the money, you could also hire Whie men in black suits. How crazy would THAT be, white men in black suits walking around Paragould with black men in white suits. Fun, fun, fun!
Crazy town it would be, wouldn't it? I think Paragould has at least on TV station, so it could get airtime. It's about halfway between Memphis & St. Louis, so it could go nationwide fairly easily.
Tee hee, giggle giggle. What time does the bus stop here?
"Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.--Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government." -- Declaration of Independence
So let me get this straight. Fearful masses are the source of police authority? Enough frightened sheeple and tyranny is OK? Who knew!? Gotta wonder what color the sky is on this guy's planet! Me, I think I'd just politiely and peacefully tell them to "piss up a rope" and risk arrest. After my freedom of movement had been taken I'd have sufficient legal injury to sue. And if there are others it could become a class action. Deprivation of civil reights under the color of authority is a crime, at least right now...
@CowboyDan I did have some fun like that in jail one time. Semi-Long story (if Mike doesn't mind me relating it here).
Late 80's, Prescott AZ county jail. I'm there for the usual "Arizona Patriot" stuff: testing legal tactics in court by getting a series of no DL, no plates, no insurance tickets. Got bounced out early with some neat paperwork challenging jurisdiction, but that's a digression. While I was waiting for the paperwork a couple of guys, the Poland brothers, were transferred there from Florence for a hearing on getting Patrick Poland's death sentence reduced to life.
Seems his wacko older brother screwed up and killed the guards in an armored car robbery instead of just tying them up and leaving. Patrick was long gone before it happened but you know, accessory to murder and all that. Patrick was in my cell and was about the only one who I could have an intelligent conversation with (he was genius level but kinda stupid about criminal things - and stupid to do anything with his older brother). Because of the jailer's fears of an attemtped breakout in less than secure facilities, they didn't allow the usual weekend visits. Well, that didn't sit well with almost everybody there - so they decided to riot.
There was an older man in for disorderly conduct (he'd yelled at an insolent brat at some store in Sedona) and was a heart patient and was showing signs of anxiety, shortness of breath, etc. We were worried he'd have a heart attack and die in jail. Patrick was also feeling responsible for the situation because of his presence and, in reality, showed me he really did care about people, no matter what the papers and attorneys said of him at the time. I talked it over with Patrick and we came up with a plan to calm our cell block down a bit and also screw with the guards' heads in a way that would satisfy the inmates' desire to "do something" without getting people hurt. Kinda played both sides of the situation. So we worked it out and presented it to the other 30+ guys. Instead of setting mattresses on fire and general mayhem, like what was going on in the other cell blocks, when it came time for the nightly lockdown and head count, what we'd do is tie the doors between our cells and the day-room in the middle open, using our towels, so the motors wouldn't close them. That way when the guards came in they'd have to use the dogs to make us stay in the cells while they untied the towels and closed the cell doors.
But the real kicker would be this - and it took a bit of selling it to the guys but it worked like a charm - when it came time to do this, we'd all go into the cells, sit on our bunks with our hands folded in our laps and . . . be quiet. Not say one word, just sit there.
It REALLY freaked out the guards, even with the dogs coming through barking at us. Just a bunch of monks who they regarded as lowlife trash, sitting nice and peaceful and quiet. They'd never seen anything like it and didn't know how to handle it, as they were used to bashing heads to get their way.
We'd deprived them of their fun, in a really eerie, spooky way. You could see it in their scowling faces as they came through and untied the towels, closed the doors and took the head count.
Wish I'd had a camera . . .
From what my friends in Phoenix told me later, I got put on a federal judge's "hit list" for that one.
-"Jules"
P.S. I suppose somebody might read this and try it next time they're in jail/prison and a riot breaks out. Leaving it to Mike to decide whether to publish or not, but it'd sure be funny if it happened somwhere else a few times.
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About NDDA, but it applies on the town scale quite easily:
"...Fear is the psychological weapon of choice for totalitarian systems of power. Make the people afraid. Get them to surrender their rights in the name of national security. And then finish off the few who aren’t afraid enough. If this law is not revoked we will be no different from any sordid military dictatorship. Its implementation will be a huge leap forward for the corporate oligarchs who plan to continue to plunder the nation and use state and military security to cow the population into submission. "
I doubt their liberal-ass paper will approve my comment:
I'm sure a smart attorney will soon be filing a class action lawsuit against the mayor and the police department as there is a long-standing US Supreme Court decision AGAINST such practices which are unconstitutional. I've been waiting for someone in one of these states doing essentially the same thing (demanding ID - i.e. driver's licenses) of people when they're simply walking down the street. It's illegal and cops know it, but they've been intimidating people for years now to get us accustomed to their paramilitary presence. Nobody has challenged them in court - that I know of. But the day is coming . . . maybe this will be the test case.
Good luck Arkansas! It's time you stood up to this tyranny growing in your midst. Get a bunch of townspeople together and contact a really good lawyer. Then plan to resist this unconstitutional "demand to produce ID" and get a few of yourselves thrown in jail for refusing - essentially standing on your right to privacy and to travel peaceably and unmolested. You'll have to suffer damages (i.e. being falsely arrested and spending a couple of nights in jail, because they really love to do this kind of thing on a Friday night to hold you over the weekend. Then you will have suffered damages - loss of freedom to travel, loss of right to privacy, etc. Then your attorney can go after these criminals with badges - and the mayor.
Stand up for your rights! Fight back! Make it cost them so much that they'll never try these Gestapo tactics again.
The police and deputies in my area know they'd never get away with this kind of thing, so we don't have any trouble with them. Unfortunately you do, and unless you put a stop to it now, it will only get worse. They will justify a bigger budget every year from now on and hire more thugs to keep your town frightened and on edge.
While I find it totally reprehensible that a local paramilitary police department is so brazen, I find it much more reprehensible the a majority of the local citizens posting to the article are actually welcoming it!
Get used to it folks as it's coming to your neighborhood next. If it's not a local LE agency it will be comprised of federal goons. See for example: http://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2012/02/29/the-tsa-is-coming-to-a-highway-near-you/
Once again, what's really disturbing about this is the broad acceptance by the mind-numbed drones which now dominate our population.
Chief Stoval is in the wrong line of business. He has the perfect neo-nazi attitude so admired at TSA. If his actions are as big as his mouth, I see a bankrupt city from a rash of lawsuits. The people need to take back their streets if they are serious about combating crime. Get armed, get mean.
Anon 1:12, you brought to mind a scene from "The Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test." It's been a long time, so I may have forgotten parts of the story. Please forgive me my mistakes.
A black man had inherited a goodly sum of money and wanted to have some fun & shake up his town. Kesey told him to hire a black man to come into town on the Greyhound wearing a white suit. The next day have another black man in a hits suit get off the bus, and the next, and the next, nd the next.
The powers that be would go crazy. Now, imagine these black men in huge suits working around Paragould, AR, mutely refusing to provide ID. If you had the money, you could also hire Whie men in black suits. How crazy would THAT be, white men in black suits walking around Paragould with black men in white suits. Fun, fun, fun!
Crazy town it would be, wouldn't it? I think Paragould has at least on TV station, so it could get airtime. It's about halfway between Memphis & St. Louis, so it could go nationwide fairly easily.
Tee hee, giggle giggle. What time does the bus stop here?
"Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.--Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government." -- Declaration of Independence
Are we there yet?
Whoever formatted that link ought to be fired.
So let me get this straight. Fearful masses are the source of police authority? Enough frightened sheeple and tyranny is OK? Who knew!? Gotta wonder what color the sky is on this guy's planet! Me, I think I'd just politiely and peacefully tell them to "piss up a rope" and risk arrest. After my freedom of movement had been taken I'd have sufficient legal injury to sue. And if there are others it could become a class action. Deprivation of civil reights under the color of authority is a crime, at least right now...
@CowboyDan
I did have some fun like that in jail one time. Semi-Long story (if Mike doesn't mind me relating it here).
Late 80's, Prescott AZ county jail. I'm there for the usual "Arizona Patriot" stuff: testing legal tactics in court by getting a series of no DL, no plates, no insurance tickets. Got bounced out early with some neat paperwork challenging jurisdiction, but that's a digression. While I was waiting for the paperwork a couple of guys, the Poland brothers, were transferred there from Florence for a hearing on getting Patrick Poland's death sentence reduced to life.
Seems his wacko older brother screwed up and killed the guards in an armored car robbery instead of just tying them up and leaving. Patrick was long gone before it happened but you know, accessory to murder and all that. Patrick was in my cell and was about the only one who I could have an
intelligent conversation with (he was genius level but kinda stupid about criminal things - and stupid to do anything with his older brother). Because of the jailer's fears of an attemtped breakout in less than secure facilities, they didn't allow the usual weekend visits. Well, that didn't sit well with almost everybody there - so they decided to riot.
There was an older man in for disorderly conduct (he'd yelled at an insolent brat at some store in Sedona) and was a heart patient and was showing signs of anxiety, shortness of breath, etc. We were worried he'd have a heart attack and die in jail. Patrick was also feeling responsible for the situation because of his presence and, in reality, showed me he really did care about people, no matter what the papers and attorneys said of him at the time. I talked it over with Patrick and we came up with a plan to calm our cell block down a bit and also screw with the guards' heads in a way that would satisfy the inmates' desire to "do something" without getting people hurt. Kinda played both sides of the situation. So we worked it out and presented it to the other 30+ guys. Instead of setting mattresses on fire and general mayhem, like what was going on in the other cell blocks, when it came time for the nightly lockdown and head count, what we'd do is tie the doors between our cells and the day-room in the middle open, using our towels, so the motors wouldn't close them. That way when the guards came in they'd have to use the dogs to make us stay in the cells while they untied the towels and closed the cell doors.
But the real kicker would be this - and it took a bit of selling it to the guys but it worked like a charm - when it came time to do this, we'd all go into the cells, sit on our bunks with our hands folded in our laps and . . . be quiet. Not say one word, just sit there.
It REALLY freaked out the guards, even with the dogs coming through barking at us. Just a bunch of monks who they regarded as lowlife trash, sitting nice and peaceful and quiet. They'd never seen anything like it and didn't know how to handle it, as they were used to bashing heads to get their way.
We'd deprived them of their fun, in a really eerie, spooky way. You could see it in their scowling faces as they came through and untied the towels, closed the doors and took the head count.
Wish I'd had a camera . . .
From what my friends in Phoenix told me later, I got put on a federal judge's "hit list" for that one.
-"Jules"
P.S. I suppose somebody might read this and try it next time they're in jail/prison and a riot breaks out. Leaving it to Mike to decide whether to publish or not, but it'd sure be funny if it happened somwhere else a few times.
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