A couple Marine's I know just back from the 'stan say accuracy on the new stuff is terrible. 5-6MOA. The tungsten core often is loose, and causes wobble in flight.
It is good to hear that actual products are resulting from research. I'd like to be able to buy it in retail quantities (less than truckload) for the improvement it might make to my PDW.
Imagine if the same kind of research were applied to upgrading the projectiles exiting the M-240B or other .30 weapons, and how that knowledge and process might trickle down to our vintage .30 weapons.
168gr. and 175gr. MK commercial bullets from Sierra are tough competition out past 600M, but I'd buy some "brown tip" .30's, just for the experience of shooting at the usual test targets.
Give me the old bear claw 62 grain tips (federal) and let me load it with Tac powder useing Federal Primers (because they burn hotter on ignition than cci or remingtons) and these bullits will perform as accurate or better .While the penetraition will be very close the tips contain almost a 50% copper base with no lead which is great for barrier penetraition such as glass while steel performance is near the same as the same as the older M855 . 3/8 steel plate i can punch holes through it that looked like they have been preceison drilled !
Exceeding the pressure spec for 5.56NATO is a really bad idea. Folks need to aim harder, not blast harder. Has no one ever looked at how pressure goes up WAAAAAY faster than bullet muzzle velocity does? Barrel wear-out 50% faster is plain crazy.
The bullet may be an improvement. The only way to tell is to load it the same as the previous bullet and compare. What if it's only more expensive?
I would say take that article ya'll are linking with a grain of salt.
The only ones having issue with this round is the people who have never used it in combat. The people using them in combat have nothing but praises for it.
to the guy who wrote"A couple Marine's I know just back from the 'stan say accuracy on the new stuff is terrible. 5-6MOA. The tungsten core often is loose, and causes wobble in flight." M855A1 does not use a tungsten core, that is M995 and is designed for true AP trough ESAPI plates and such, completely different round.
M855A1 is a 1-2MOA round and I belive it was Jason Falla who commented on how it is a true upgrade to M855 and has seen very heavy usage with the Austrian military and they have no reported issues but only praises, same for groups in the USA military who have extensive(12 months and 10,000+ rounds use with it and M4's) and nothing but praises.
While I appreciate Doc GKR(Garry Roberts) did yall know he is actually a dentist and has never been a combat medic nor a surgeon? He is also questioned on some websites and seems to just ignore them. The ammo is also only $.68 per round, MK318 is $.57, so it is not a super expensive round.
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Here's a slightly different evaluation of this new "green" (Obamessiah wet dream) round.
http://www.gunsandammo.com/2012/03/07/m855a1-should-it-be-the-new-round-for-soldiers-and-marines/
A couple Marine's I know just back from the 'stan say accuracy on the new stuff is terrible. 5-6MOA. The tungsten core often is loose, and causes wobble in flight.
I'll bet that we'll never see this marketed for civilians.
It is good to hear that actual products are resulting from research. I'd like to be able to buy it in retail quantities (less than truckload) for the improvement it might make to my PDW.
Imagine if the same kind of research were applied to upgrading the projectiles exiting the M-240B or other .30 weapons, and how that knowledge and process might trickle down to our vintage .30 weapons.
168gr. and 175gr. MK commercial bullets from Sierra are tough competition out past 600M, but I'd buy some "brown tip" .30's, just for the experience of shooting at the usual test targets.
Thanks.
Impressive. Where to buy?
http://www.gunsandammo.com/2012/03/07/m855a1-should-it-be-the-new-round-for-soldiers-and-marines/
Give me the old bear claw 62 grain tips (federal) and let me load it with Tac powder useing Federal Primers (because they burn hotter on ignition than cci or remingtons) and these bullits will perform as accurate or better .While the penetraition will be very close the tips contain almost a 50% copper base with no lead which is great for barrier penetraition such as glass while steel performance is near the same as the same as the older M855 . 3/8 steel plate i can punch holes through it that looked like they have been preceison drilled !
Exceeding the pressure spec for 5.56NATO is a really bad idea. Folks need to aim harder, not blast harder. Has no one ever looked at how pressure goes up WAAAAAY faster than bullet muzzle velocity does? Barrel wear-out 50% faster is plain crazy.
The bullet may be an improvement. The only way to tell is to load it the same as the previous bullet and compare. What if it's only more expensive?
I would say take that article ya'll are linking with a grain of salt.
The only ones having issue with this round is the people who have never used it in combat. The people using them in combat have nothing but praises for it.
to the guy who wrote"A couple Marine's I know just back from the 'stan say accuracy on the new stuff is terrible. 5-6MOA. The tungsten core often is loose, and causes wobble in flight." M855A1 does not use a tungsten core, that is M995 and is designed for true AP trough ESAPI plates and such, completely different round.
M855A1 is a 1-2MOA round and I belive it was Jason Falla who commented on how it is a true upgrade to M855 and has seen very heavy usage with the Austrian military and they have no reported issues but only praises, same for groups in the USA military who have extensive(12 months and 10,000+ rounds use with it and M4's) and nothing but praises.
While I appreciate Doc GKR(Garry Roberts) did yall know he is actually a dentist and has never been a combat medic nor a surgeon? He is also questioned on some websites and seems to just ignore them. The ammo is also only $.68 per round, MK318 is $.57, so it is not a super expensive round.
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