The power to destroy a thing is the absolute control over it. Paul-Muad'dib to the Guild navigators, at his confrontation with the Emperor Shaddam IV, Dune.
Romney's electability questioned.
A new WSJ/NBC poll (pdf) shows that a 3rd party bid by a strong libertarian/tea party challenger like Ron Paul would be disastrous for the Republican cause next November.
Barack Obama decisively beats Romney in a three-way matchup with Paul, 44%-32%. That's because Paul wins 18% of the vote.
It's safe to say that, besides Jon Huntsman, a Romney nomination would have the greatest chance of inspiring such a third party bid. thereby, dooming the Republican candidate and reelecting Obama.
Somebody must like him. Mitt Romney presidential campaign flags are seen all over the country, particularly at airports.
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Romney, the crystal clear Establishment GOP choice, has been unable to gain support beyond 1/4 of the "party" (some will argue 1/3).
This is the RINO base that always tells the rest of us that if WE don't vote with THEM, it is US who will "split the vote" and cause a Democrat to be elected.
Bovine Excrement.
It is the RINOs who refuse to vote with the REST of us who cause the "split". It is they who have destroyed a once grand old party.
I certainly do not advocate a third party, mostly because "party" is part of the problem. George Washington warned us about political faction and it is long past time we listened!
Mittens is a joke (I love the "flag") and if the pubbies nominate him, that party is officially a joke as well.
Once again, We The People are being set up and hoodwinked. All I can do is withhold my vote from said debacle and try to encourage others to do so as well. Turning away from the Establishment parties is the only solution. Only then will the party faithful finally realize that their faith is wholly misplaced.
It sure does look like the cat in the hat, hat.
Is there some significant meaning in that?
I will NOT NOT NOT NOT vote for Romney. If he gets the nomination, I will vote for Ron Paul as a write-in.
I don't care if it does get Dear Leader re-elected. At least the tyrannical BS will be out in the open, and not duping republicans into thinking things will be different if Romney sits in the oval office.
I'm convinced that the inside the beltway GOP sees presidential nominations the same way China sees figure skaters. Those who play by the rules and wait their turn ultimately get to be that year's star. According to that crowd, it's Mitt's turn. Underlings and would be usurpers get the back of the hand, or worse.
Note to any Paul-haters about to comment: Ron Paul CANNOT be "irrelevant" AND a "spoiler". These are mutally exclusive concepts. Indulging either one of those talking points marks the speaker as ignorant. Indulging both simultaneously suggests a mental disorder.
I really do not like the RINO (Republican In Name Only) term. It shows a belief that real Republicans are conservatives. That has never been true. One only has to remember the Bush 41 administration to see that. Goldwater, Buckley and Reagan were true conservatives, but if you look at the record of the GOP before those three came on the scene you will find true GOP conservatives few and far between. What you do see is pro-bank, pro-business, country club liberals with names like Bush and Rockefeller that had a "go along to get along" approach to permanent minority status in both houses of congress.
What we are seeing is an alliance between the MSM, the old moderate controllers of the GOP, and the left, to pick a GOP candidate that Obama can trounce just like they picked McCain. If the GOP candidate is Romney, many of the right wing of the GOP will stay home, Obama will win and be able to put two or more Kagan/Sotomayor Justices on SCOTUS that will force us to deal with an Obama court for the next 40 years.
The priority has to be on defeating Obama. Do not take your eye off the ball.
It sure does look like the cat in the hat, hat.
Is there some significant meaning in that?--ditto
It is a wind sock. Romney's political stance changes which ever way the wind blows. He is an opportunistic pragmatist.
Prags and Progs are the twin curse of American politics.
MALTHUS
Anonymous said: "The priority has to be on defeating Obama. Do not take your eye off the ball."
I ask you, to what end? In order to elect another Fabian socialist in place of a Leninist socialist? The only thing that changes is the speed at which this train to perdition travels.
By God, don't stand on principle! Never, ever do that! It might split the vote and cause the other guy to win! Then we'll really, really, REALLY be headed down the hell-road to socialism!
Better the enemy we know than...
I mean, the lesser of two evils is...
I mean, don't rock the damned boat!
I wonder if the American Sheeple will ever wake up and realize what a great man Ron Paul is. Must be the fog of war clouding their senses.
like one of the Anons, I too WILL NOT vote for Romney - but I will instead vote for OBAMA!
Why?
SIMPLE: At this point, I believe a true Conservative political "revolution" may be the only thing that will stave off a Jeffersonian "Tree of Liberty" version.
Like another, I also don't care for "RINO" - I prefer "DIABLO" - "DemocRAT In All But Label Only" - fits MUCH better!
Absent a TRUE Conservative, the only question will be "Fast collapse or SLOW collapse?" I believe "FAST" is better for our chances of Restoration, ergo to be preferred -- and thus if I cannot vote for a Conservative, I'll vote "FAST COLLAPSE" -- In Other Words "OBAMA."
We'd have to last 40 years to suffer under an Obama SCOTUS for that long - and I don't think that's POSSIBLE at this point....
DD
PS: WV="Sofrica" -- We are SOOOooo becoming more like Third-world-Africa every day!
Dedicated Dad, by voting for "Fast collapse" are you assuming that the country will recover from the collapse, so better to get it over with quickly? I'm no historian, but I think collapses of the magnitude we're approaching tend to be pretty final. A "Tree of Liberty" event may be unavoidable since there will surely be several less-than-benevolent individuals attempting to take power during the chaos that ensues.
All this may be a moot point if elections are suspended.
I gotta tell you, Paul is very attractive when you consider the choices, if you're at all concerned with liberty. The problem is that he keeps saying things than are absolutely insane when it comes to dealing with people like Iran. I mean "friendship"? REALLY?
They are a DIRECT THREAT to us and our interests and have been killing our people for 30 years, non-stop. Their proxies and personnel are in CONUS with infrastructure.
Of course all the other "candidates" immediately pounced upon it in the media. Geee whiz folks!
I mean I was going to vote for him, and would still like to but GEE WHIZ!
Dedicated Dad is thinking along the lines that I (and others) are thinking.
I really see this as only a choice between fast collapse and slow collapse.
I don't want a collapse/civil war any more than any other sane person, but a 5-8 year time difference will make a big difference in my physical ability to DO something in my locale.
Am I going to be fitter, younger, or better armed at 63, or 60 than now?
I don't think so.
The Cloward-Piven lefties have wanted to crash the system for decades, and perhaps it is too late to do much to forestall it. As with Aikido, perhaps the best way to survive, is to push the whole mess faster in the direction it is already going.
Do we gain anything by putting it off just three or five years?
Ron Paul has made it clear that if he doesn't get the Republican nomination he will run as a third party candidate. What the Republitards don't get is that Romney is no different than Obama, which is the reason we will vote for Ron Paul, regardless of the final outcome. If they really don't want an Obama second term they'd better vote with us.
I agree with DD, I don't like the term RINO. The Republican party has never been the party of freedom. They are the party of the first American President Traitor and war criminal, Abe Lincoln. Why would we expect Romney to be any different?
The real RINO is Ron Paul, and that's why I support him.
WarriorClass
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Something else to consider, from Zero Hedge:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/guest-post-be-honest-cnbc-you-are-biased-against-ron-paul
Travis Lee damn near nails my thinking.
If a fight - or ANY unpleasant task - is unavoidable, what's the best thing to do?
GET IT **OVER** WITH!
I believe that *IF* we can elect a real Conservative/Constitutionalist POTUS and CONgress, we MAY have a chance at avoiding the worst of the hell that is coming -- but ONLY if they get busy IMMEDIATELY cutting everything not authorized by the Constitution.
Otherwise, I think there's going to be a whole lot of very serious, violent, fatal ugliness coming our way!
The question will then be "how long will it be before it begins" and "how long will it last?
I believe the longer it's delayed, the longer it will last.
I believe Romney will slow the race to the brink but not stop it.
I believe Obama will accelerate it.
I believe we'll be better off getting it over with.
Ergo...
Would we
"I ask you, to what end? In order to elect another Fabian socialist in place of a Leninist socialist? The only thing that changes is the speed at which this train to perdition travels."
I will answer your question with two more.
1. When Dutchman6 called for a window war, how many windows did you personally break?
2. Are you prepared to shift operations from the political arena to the tactical?
I just don't want anyone reading this site to be under any illusions. If Obama gets a second term, he WILL appoint more judges like Sotomayor and Kagan to all levels of the federal judiciary. BATFE WILL step up the kind of actions they have become infamous for. And long before many of us are ready, we will be placed in a position to call or fold. Are you really ready to take up arms against the Federal government? A second Obama term will very likely put you and the rest of us in a place where we either give up our guns or use them.
Lesser of two evils indeed!
Burn it. Burn it all down now. I have become more and more convinced this is the only means of fighting the contagion. Like a louse or virus. We remove the body and heal it but we burn all the cloths and linen that touched the sick infected body. We all know this is the only way, we just keep hoping.
Grenadier1
Window War
When Dutchman6 said "Break their windows. Break them now", how many windows were actually broken? Not enough. And these were undefended soft-as-you-can get targets with near zero probability of return fire. There was one within easy driving distance of most everyone reding this post. How many did you break?
Buy your canteens. Buy some ammo. Go to the range and see if you can still get into a proper prone position. But you will still not be ready. Mentally ready. If you do not have the mindset that will drive you to put a brick through a Democratic Party Headquarters window, you certainly do not have the mindset that will drive you to put the front sight on the chest of someone you have never seen before and queeze the trigger.
You are not ready.
We are not ready.
What will push you and the rest of us to be ready? Frankly I would rather not find out. A second Obama term might not give us any choice.
DEFEAT OBAMA!
Dutchman6,
If you rally want "Absolved" to be a warning shot across the bow of the Statists, you had better get it published and in the bookstores ASAP. We simply are running out of time.
A warning given too late is no better than no warning at all.
If the GOP doesn't want a third-party problem, they can run Ron Paul as their candidate. Simple, eh? And as with the others, I'll be voting for Dr. Paul anyway. If Obama is re-elected, then the revolution can begin. I don't know why we have put up with Obama for this long, anyway.
Electing anyone else will only change the party name on the ticket, and not the problems. We put Boehner in the Speaker's seat and he has proven to be the RINO I thought him to be. And the Super Congress is one result of that.
Let the games begin...I'm ready!
Here's another way to look at the fast collapse/slow collapse issue: Perhaps Paul is actually the "Fast collapse" candidate. Imagine the scenario that would unfold if Paul was elected and began shutting down/de-funding all the unconstitutional federal bureaucracies.
Everybody here must think of the term RINO differently from what I do.
The way I look at it, there are Republicans (members of GOP) and republicans (supporters of our constitutional republic).
The majority of GOP members who oppose the Constitution can be called RINOs.
Those few Republicans who support the Constitution can not be called RINOs.
Even if we had Goldwater or Reagan
(or Palin) win the 2012 election, how much would it matter?
Last I read, better than 70% of the voters polled are highly displeased with congress, but does anybody think that anything less than 70% of the incumbents running next year will lose their phony-baloney jobs?!
Hell, no! Most people think THEIR congressman and senator is just SWELL!
We get what we deserve, whether we deserve it or not.
I loved Reagan, but what he was able to do was limited by a rat congress and for all but 2 years, a rat senate.
Unless we have a mass die off of that part of the electorate who Ayn Rand called looters, this mess will just keep getting worse, until the consequences are unstoppable.
But you will still not be ready. Mentally ready. If you do not have the mindset that will drive you to put a brick through a Democratic Party Headquarters window, you certainly do not have the mindset that will drive you to put the front sight on the chest of someone you have never seen before and squeeze the trigger.--Anon
I am able to report having torn down pro-Democrat/AFL-CIO yard signs that were illegally posted in front of the polling station where I voted on Tuesday.
This is a heavily Democrat area and union thugs have occasionally been known to beat up pro-liberty dissenters, as witness the SEIU's "persuasion" of Campaign for Liberty Coordinator, Kelly Owens in St Louis.
Did I experience the thrill of fear? Yes but it was not sufficient to undo my resolve.
The big victory for the night was a 2-1 decision in favor of a State Constitutional Amendment prohibiting an Obamacare mandate.
As long as the political process is moving in the direction of more liberty here, the rifle remains in its locked case.
MALTHUS
@Anonymous: "Note to any Paul-haters about to comment: Ron Paul CANNOT be "irrelevant" AND a "spoiler". These are mutally exclusive concepts."
Not in the context of an election, they aren't. If Paul can only draw a maximum of 18% of the vote, he *cannot* win the election, or even come close - indeed, he could win that much of the vote an not even carry a single state. See Ross Perot's '92 campaign for a real world example. He is, electorally speaking, irrelevant.
However, he can be a spoiler because his 18% of the vote is going to come predominantly from one of the two big party candidates, and could therefore change who wins based on which candidate he draws more away from. Again, see Ross Perot '92 for a real world example.
Sorry I meant KEEP THEIR JOBS>
Jimmy-
I disagree...
Perot showed how thin Bush 41's support was, and If Ron Paul can take 18%, 10% or even 5% of the vote, that is not "Romney's" vote that he is taking....
Those voters are so disgusted with Romney and the GOP that they would stay home rather than cast a vote for the heir to President Dole and McCain.
The GOP opinion of "screw you you ain't GOT no other choice" is what has gotten us to this point.
If the GOP is so determined that they would rather have the Obamanation than support a candidate that doesn't give 40% for Republican voters a national gag reflex, then the truth is that that GOP is what is becoming more irrelevant by the month.
Romney will not win, ROMNEY CANNOT WIN. Perry has only a slightly better chance. And Cain.... I'm skeptical of him, too.
Obama is the GOP's choice, they just won't say it out loud.
DD said,
I believe that *IF* we can elect a real Conservative/Constitutionalist POTUS and CONgress, we MAY have a chance at avoiding the worst of the hell that is coming -- but ONLY if they get busy IMMEDIATELY cutting everything not authorized by the Constitution"
While I heartily agree with both you and Travis Lee, I do not see how even a Ron Paul win next year will change anything. As you said, we would have to elect a constitutionist Congress in both houses as well. Aint going to happen. They would have to have extreme majorities in both in order to even begin to do what needs to be done.
To throw a wrench into it, if this were to happen, the people would not go for it. I am afraid most Americans would rather have socialism than freedom.
Are most seniors willing to give up SS? Are most children of those seniors willing to take on the care of their parents? I don't think so. Americans like middlemen to do the dirty work, and the government, while inefficient and often incompetent and wasteful, is still a comforting middleman.
I think many of us liberty minded folks forget that we are a very small minority. Most people do not want liberty. It is easier to live under "compassionate" tyrants so long as those tyrants are peceived as doing good for society.
I vote for the fast trip off the cliff...lets get it over with. Buying an extra 3 or 5 years with a RINO is a waste.
The Republicans were the original systematizing and Nationalizing party. Hell, "The Nation" started as a Republican magazine!
I am an old-fashioned, or pre-Bryan, or Grover Cleveland Democrat. There may be as many as three or four of us left.
As I have said many times, I am for
Small government
Small farms
Small business, and
Small arms.
Eff yer "economies of scale."
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