Monday, November 28, 2011

Lindsey Graham calls for using military against American citizens. Strangling the feeble old Posse Comitatus in its sickbed.

Lindsey Graham leads the charge to use the military against American citizens.

I must confess that when I received the first forwards of posts on this subject from Alex Jones and Infowars, I balked. My skepticism on stuff coming from that quarter is well-founded. However, when someone forwarded me this from the ACLU, I took another look:

"Senators Demand the Military Lock Up American Citizens in a “Battlefield” They Define as Being Right Outside Your Window"

While nearly all Americans head to family and friends to celebrate Thanksgiving, the Senate is gearing up for a vote on Monday or Tuesday that goes to the very heart of who we are as Americans. The Senate will be voting on a bill that will direct American military resources not at an enemy shooting at our military in a war zone, but at American citizens and other civilians far from any battlefield — even people in the United States itself.

Senators need to hear from you, on whether you think your front yard is part of a “battlefield” and if any president can send the military anywhere in the world to imprison civilians without charge or trial.

The Senate is going to vote on whether Congress will give this president—and every future president — the power to order the military to pick up and imprison without charge or trial civilians anywhere in the world. Even Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas) raised his concerns about the NDAA detention provisions during last night’s Republican debate. The power is so broad that even U.S. citizens could be swept up by the military and the military could be used far from any battlefield, even within the United States itself. . .

In support of this harmful bill, Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) explained that the bill will “basically say in law for the first time that the homeland is part of the battlefield” and people can be imprisoned without charge or trial “American citizen or not.” Another supporter, Sen. Kelly Ayotte (R-N.H.) also declared that the bill is needed because “America is part of the battlefield.”

Lindsey sez: "The homeland is part of the battlefield." It will be if you get your way, Lindsey. Are you sure you've thought the unintended consequences of that through, O Perfumed Prince?


DH Pence said...

Only on serious infringements of our liberties do we seem to be in unison with the ACLU on much of anythign these days. Which makes the prospect of this passing even scarier. What this amounts to is removing the ballot box (by way of eliminating opposition) and Jury Box (by way of indefinite detention without trial) which will force us to go straight to the bullet box.

These nitwits have no real clue of the ground on which they tread.

Da Curly Wolf said...

"weep for the future N'toth. Weep for us all."

Anonymous said...

The people of the United States of America.

'We're what's for lunch.'

Anonymous said...

Senator Jim Demint lives a couples of miles from my home. My son while driving his SUV saw him jogging the other day and said to me "Dad I could have taken him out." My reply, "If you see Lindsey Graham out jogging go ahead."

Anonymous said...

Although the section in question only specifically mentions Al Qaeda affiliated Americans, hue often to government powers stay in a neatly defined area? One only has to point to how the so-called PATRIOT Act has almost entirely been used in the so-called War on Drugs, instead of against terrorists. The District of Criminals, well, is.

- Cato, the American

Anonymous said...

maybe its time to imprison Ayotte and Lindsey…

for what you may ask..?
oh we dont have to give a reason no charge or tial …right?

I say we fuckin pick this asshole up right now and show him what he wishes for aint such a good idea

Anonymous said...

These clowns are totally begging for a refreshing of a certain tree..........

mmasse said...

If this passes we will have to call Homeland Security the "Secret Police"

AJ said...

The straws just keep piling up on the proverbial camel's back, don't they?

Mt Top Patriot said...

Thinking has nothing to do with it.
Agenda is everything.
Crisis as a means.

For what it is worth sent my serious concerns about the outright lack of rule of law this abortion of tyranny foretells.

We'll see. I'm sure my missive has been scrutinized with tyrannical zeal.

These zealots of absolute power are bucking for a civil war. They have to be absolutely freaking crazy.

Words can not convey my...I don't know how to say what I'm feeling, how worried and concerned I am for my country and fellow Americans. For my family friends and self.

Graham, and the other crazy elites involved in this have to be completely out of their minds. What planet are they from?
Do they have a wish to sink this great nation into a blood feud? Are they that sick, are they megalomaniacs?
Its like obama opened the floods gates of Hell.

Anonymous said...

Did the e-mail thing to my 2 Sanitors, letting them know that if this thing passes, citizens will have only one option when the federales come knocking...or no knocking.


Anonymous said...

Imagine two top Republicans proposing an outrageous bill which was never intended to pass, but was drafted solely to anger citizens who respect the Constitution.

The Obama Administration cites Constitutional concerns about this bill and threatens to veto it. Clearly, Constitution-loving citizens will agree and would back Obama in opposing this bill.

Thus, Obama can appease conservatives and independents while also demonizing Republicans politicians at the same time. The end result is more Independents and Republicans willing to vote Democrat and/or for Obama in 2012.

With an election less than one year away, this sounds like political theater to me. Look for more scenarios like this in future days as this is how Chicago politics works.

Longbow said...

So Lindsey Graham is the culprit behind this, is he? Whatcha wanna bet John McCain has his fingers in this pie also?

Some in the U.S. Congress see the American People as "the enemy". Do they realize what this says about themselves? Do they have any idea?

Military officers will obey ANY order they deem to be lawful. Enlisted men are under UCMJ authority and may not walk away from their duty assignments. They both have an obligation to disobey any unlawful order. Military officers have the choice, however, resign their commissions and walk away.

If ordered to make war on the American people, the vast majority will obey.

Anonymous said...

What kind of drugs are Senators Levin and MaCain using, as no one in their right mind could possibly write such excrement without being on drugs. I mean, this defies explanation. In fact, these proposed sections of this bill are a complete usurpation of the Constitution, and in my opinion, these Senators have proved themselves not only certifiable Psychopaths, but treasonous cockroaches as well. To anyone with half a neuron between their ears, it is blindingly obvious this Congress is approaching illegitimacy, as they are considering not only abandoning all sense of what America stands for, but complete annihilation of everything the Constitution stands for as well.

Furthermore, I submit, should this congress vote these Sections into law, they will have also forfeited their right to act as our representatives as well as they have traversed the line between "justice for all" and despotism. God help us all should they vote these Sections into law, for they will have destroyed everything this country stood for, and will have returned us to the Human rights hell that so many millions of people have given their lives to pull us out of. After all, this is EXACTLY why America came to be in the first place.

Not only have these Senators lost all credibility as our Representatives, but they illustrate perfectly the depths of insanity to which they now reside. Given the current attack on the Second Amendment via the ATF's scandalous Fast and Furious program, these Sections confirm to me that there is a conscientious effort under way to circumvent the Second Amendment by way of these Sections. if not complete usurpation of the Constitution. I also submit, should these Sections be voted into law, they also declare War on the Citizens of the United States, and will usher in a new paradigm whereby guaranteed violent confrontation between the Government and the citizens may occur, as no citizen in their right mind will allow the Military to arrest and incarcerate without due process, let alone take away their Second Amendment right to bear arms. After all,

what part of "....SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED" do they not understand?

Make no mistake Senators. You are on a dangerous cliff, to which one misstep, one second of miscalculation, one simple distraction, or one seemingly innocuous decision, could return everything millions have fought for over two century's to the Dark Ages. In closing, the mere thought of an American Senator writing such a bill, makes me want to vomit. I can't express how repugnant, how sickening, and downright repulsive these Senators are to me now. However, I only have two remaining questions.

How in the world do these Senators look in the mirror? And WHAT are they going to do about it, for in the America I grew in, and Pledged Allegiance to, they have committed Treason. So, what are you going to do Senators? Your vote will answer this question, and rest assured, will tell the American citizenry, what you REALLY represent.

I only have one more thing to add. SHAME on these two Senators, and those who vote to inact these Sections into law.

Anonymous said...

Alex Jones has actually been batting better than average these days. (Even a blind hog will root up a prize acorn every now and then.) Sadly, years of UFO-alert-news and death camp exposes does tend to raise thoughtful citizen's eyebrows for years.

Trust, but verify.

Anonymous II said...

"My reply, "If you see Lindsey Graham out jogging go ahead.""

I doubt one would see Ms Gramnesty out jogging; more likely it'd be out cruising slowly up and down Senate St., if you know what I mean.*

*Yeah, I live near you.

The Trainer said...

They just don't get it...or maybe the do....maybe they actually want the (so-called) "unintended consequences" of their actions....

Time will tell...very soon, by the looks of things.

Anonymous said...

So far beyond the pale- Doesn't really matter which end of the political spectrum you are on.

Pat H. said...

Great image, Michael, we call him Lindsissy Grahamnesty and that image fits him utterly.

Anonymous said...

Did YOU pull the "FBI update" article
this afternoon? (11-28)
It had been posted ahead of this one.

As always Sir, my prayers to you, and watch your six.......

John in IA

J. Croft said...

Oh, please, PLEASE make America a war zone, we can exterminate the lot of you and begin reconstruction that sooner!

Dave said...

Yeah, I'll let my senators (Boxer and Feinstein) know I don't want them to allow the government to oppress the people.

If there's one good thing about living in California, it's that we already know beyond any doubt what the rest of the country is or reasonably should be figuring out...

Da Curly Wolf said...

I agree with the thought process behind The Trainer's comment. Why? Because with civil war/insurrection...they get the excuse they need to "temporarily" [and what's more permanent the gov't definition of temporary]suspend the constitution and take complete and OPEN dictatorial control

Anonymous said...

Lindsay Graham (RepubliCON S.C.) admits Zero administration behind detaining American citizens indefinitely:

from the congressional record debate, (NATIONAL DEFENSE AUTHORIZATION ACT FOR FISCAL YEAR 2012 -- Senate - November 17, 2011), comments were from Sen. Linsay Graham regarding the Bill

"..But we need to let this President know, and every other President, that if you capture someone in the homeland, on our soil--American citizen or not--who is a member of al-Qaida, you do not have to give them a lawyer or read them the rights automatically. You can treat them as a military threat under military custody, just like if you captured them overseas.(page 44)

..This bill is a very sound, balanced work product, and I will stand by it, I will fight for it, and I respect those who may disagree. But why did we take out the language Senator Levin wanted me to put in about an American citizen could not be held indefinitely if caught in the homeland? THE ADMINISTRATION ASKED US TO DO THAT. Why did they ask us to do that? It makes perfect sense. If American citizens have joined the enemy and we captured them at home, we want to make sure we know what they are up to, and we do not want to be required, under our law, to turn them over to a criminal court, where you have to provide them a lawyer at an arbitrary point in time. So the administration was probably right to take this out.(page 45) "

Anonymous said...

This is all over the blogs, and the language used by these tyrants is noted....

Some are claiming U.S citizens are exempt, however:

The language used applying to U.S. citizens and legal resident aliens is only referring to SEC. 1032. REQUIREMENT FOR MILITARY CUSTODY.


If this new law did not apply to US citizens then §1032(b)(1) would not say:
1. UNITED STATES CITIZENS.—The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to citizens of the United States.

Instead, it would say:
1. UNITED STATES CITIZENS.—Sections 1031 and 1032 does not extend to citizens of the United States.

Section 1031 still authorizes without exception the US military to detain a person for suspected terrorist involvement. In addition, notice the wording for Section 1032 concerning military authority to hold US citizens — they are not "REQUIRED" to — but they may if they chose to, and it subordinates civil authority to military authority in matters of terrorism and war.

There’s nothing in the bill that says U.S. Citizens are exempt from being policed by the military.

CowboyDan said...

If this passes we will have to call Homeland Security the "Secret Police"


Anonymous said...

That picture of Linseed Graham is obviously fake. His breasts are more perky than that in real life.

aughtsix said...

I am the humbler Fiddler, and
I beg you call the tune...
To open future's portal, and
Invoke the Tyrant's Doom.

Take upon you your Aspect,
Of Pure and Righteous Wrath,
Raise up your Armored Attribute,
The Warrior's One True Path.

Throw down the foes of Liberty
To sorrow as they must,
To reap a bitter harvest as their
Scheme lies in the dust.

Accept that, as your Fathers,
You'll not see the Promised Land,
But with them you'll share the Honor Of Humanity's Last Stand.


Anonymous said...

Ahem, Lindsey Graham is a guy.

Backwoods Engineer said...

"Another supporter, Sen. Kelly Ayotte (R-N.H.) also declared that the bill is needed because “America is part of the battlefield.""

Palin REALLY screwed up supporting this woman for the Senate. She is a statist.

Anonymous said...

To Anonymous II:

Yeah, I know what you mean. I spent four years in school in Columbia. If you had to be on Senate Street after dark you always went in a group.
You must admit it is a very becoming picture of Lindsey.

Go Gamecocks!

Anonymous said...

"Experience should teach us to be most on our guard to protect liberty when the government's purposes are beneficent. Men born to freedom are naturally alert to repel invasion of their liberty by evil-minded rulers. The greatest dangers to liberty lurk in insidious encroachment by men of zeal, well-meaning but without understanding." -- Justice Louis Brandeis in Olmstead v United States

Whizbanger said...

Just Curious...
The Nazis at some point had to codify that the Jews were "enemy combatants" and as such could be "detained" and "confined". It would be interesting to compare the language. You could use the 1968 Gun Act as a comparision. I personnaly do not have that research capacity.


If you start ignoring the 2nd Ammendment, I'll start ignoring the 6th Commandment.

Anonymous said...

November 29, 2011
Defense Authorization Bill False Alarm?

Read more:

Gerardo Moochie said...

Hey, Senators. You've done a pretty crappy job identifying the enemy overseas (the Islamic ideology, its useful idiots and croney's). What should give us confidence that you would do a better job idenitying enemies on our homeland "battlefield?"

Anonymous said...

Wake up, America. How long do we just sit and shake our head in amazement, and let it happen. Time to return to our Christian roots and fight for our great country.

saladin said...

The people of USA must fight this tooth and nail.Sadly most people in Europe are more concerned with watching the boob tube and generally sitting idly
by while the nanny state .make sure that they know as little as possible.
With christmas greetings from Denmark.

True Patriot said...

I would have to say that I speak for all of Conservative America that our nation has been overrun with these criminal communist thugs in our government.

I am no longer willing to put up with the evil filth and scum that is destroying America piece by piece.

The thing is there are more of us than there are of these criminals destroying our freedoms and liberties. We are past the time for talking.

Ayatollah Moron is the most dangerous evil filth that has ever walked Planet Earth, yet Liberal Zombies have put this illegal scum in our WH, aided & abetted by corrupt Gutter Rat media.

Time for impeachment of all these criminal thugs going against the laws of our U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights.

All of the scum in DC with few exceptions needs to be in prison.

Our Nation would be better served to shut down DC as it is a cesspool and turn the powers back to the States

Mt Top Patriot said...

The scope of the lawless disregard for The Rule of Law expands exponentially by the day by the very nature of corruption of the elites lust to retain absolute power.

So in light of of no rules but my rules, Hitler said it best:
"It is convenient to have a system of laws where everyone is a criminal."

Anonymous said...

I'd rather die with a bang while taking a bullet in my backyard battlefield, than wait and die with a wimper under obamacare. The battle comes home, we knew this would happen. It's time to stand up for what really counts.

Anonymous said...

Sen.Lindsey Graham is a Senator from my district and I am so ashamed of him and his stance on a law like this that makes the goverment more powerful and takes away our liberties as American people.I hope and pray that he is voted out of office next time.He will not get my vote

Anonymous said...

Soon examining a ballot box will be replaced by examining coordinates on a map and behavior patterns for your nearby S.C. statist tool's residences and routine. Once it starts they all will have to be held to account. Doesn't matter how long, the depths of insulation.

It's our duty.

RegT said...

This really is nothing new. It is identical - in intent, at least - to the bill McCain and Liebermann tried to push through over a year ago, simply phrased slightly differently.

These scum all believe the citizens of this country are rubes and rednecks who need to be controlled by our "betters". They need to be removed from the gene pool.

Anonymous said...

NAM VET,I fought for our freedom and our rights. I worked for the government then. I will fight that same government for my freedom and rights now as long as I am alive.

Anonymous said...

Do they realize they're tying their own noose?

The SC State Militia needs to arrest Sen. Graham and hold him indefinitely, as a threat and usurper to the American Constitution.

Wouldn't this be legal, or are we just talking about the military leaders THEY appoint, are the ones allowed to make the decisions on who to arrest...?

Anonymous said...

Senate Report 93-549 (93rd Congress, 1st Session, 1973 please add in this one where it started , in march 9,1933 plus the patriot act now this move to a global government end-game at play!!!

drain the swamp said...

Ron Paul in 2012 and God bless us all!!!!

drain the swamp said...

Ron Paul and rid us of Big Brother and Leeches!!!