Wednesday, March 10, 2010

I guess that someone in the federal government thinks there's going to be a civil war . . .

Coastie with a Remington 870 short barreled shotgun.

Remember last month when I did a post on the IRS buying Remington 870 short barreled shotguns?

Go to Dave Workman's Examiner column here, entitled, "Why does Department of Education need 12-gauge shotguns?"

Go to the link above and read the whole thing, but here's one snippet:

Federal and state law across the American landscape (and certainly here in Washington State) almost uniformly declares schools to be “gun-free zones,” yet the U.S. Department of Education is in the process of purchasing more than two-dozen short-barreled police-style shotguns which are supposed to be delivered by March 22 to an address in Chicago, IL.

A source in New York stumbled over the solicitation notice, which carries the number: EDOOIG-10-000004.

The purchase is for 27 Remington Model 870 pump-action shotguns with 14-inch modified choke barrels (the legal minimum length for private citizens is 18 inches without a special license). These shotguns are to be fitted with Wilson Combat ghost ring rear sights, Knoxx adjustable stocks and Speedfeed fore-ends.


Here's another:



While this revelation may raise a few eyebrows, here’s something else to think about: Last August, Winchester Ammunition announced that it had been awarded a contract by the Department of Homeland Security to supply the division of Immigration, Customs and Enforcement (ICE) with a maximum of 200 million rounds of .40 S&W-caliber ammunition over the next five years. That’s just over 3.3 million rounds a month for a 60-month period.


WASHINGTON, D.C. -- Winchester Ammunition was recently awarded a contract by the Immigration, Customs and Enforcement (ICE) division of the Department of Homeland Security to supply a maximum of 200 million, 40 cal. rounds over the next five years.


Winchester produces superb ammunition and this is certainly an economic shot in the arm for a company that has served American shooters and hunters faithfully for generations. But what is ICE doing with 3.3 million rounds of ammunition a month? That seems to be a great deal of shooting, whether it is on the practice range or in the field.

It’s just your tax dollars at work.


And ICE is just one department. I guess they know something we don't know.

But still, it ain't gonna be NEARLY enough.

Mike
III

28 comments:

Taylor H said...

I just read this moments ago. Geeze, are we REALLY going through with this?

I guess we're living on a blank page of history.

Dang, this is pretty alarming. Keep your eyes open!

Anonymous said...

Mike, do you know (or know where to find out) what kind of .45ACP ammo the feds are buying these days? I always like to carry the same as the goons, er gov does...

jon said...

a lot of assumptions are made behind these purchases. for instance, the more indiscriminately they use this ammo, the faster they're all dead and it's in someone else's hands.

besides, just because they order it doesn't mean it gets delivered on time or in full. and even when some of it is delivered, this is still a government bureaucracy we're talking about. they're going to lose whole lots of it just while trying to get it to their jackboots.

Anonymous said...

Are they worried that I might need some modern high-quality ammo (and a pistol) after the Bulgarian surplus x54R in the shoulder bag runs out?

Thanks. Good planning I can't afford.

How's the pistol combat training for Chicago educators working out? Do parents mind the distraction from teaching little DuShawn and Maria, or is it an applied physics demonstration?

I'm the "only one" in this classroom professional enough to handle this ...

Anonymous said...

Isn't that holographic sight, on the remington, backwards? If so, goody for us.

Anonymous said...

WTF is the justification for the Federal Department of Education to purchase these? They don't have campuses so they don't need or have campus police. Are these bozos going to create their own SWAT team? To terrorize school and university bureaucrats?

Anonymous said...

That's a Trijicon Reflex II sight and it is not on backwards.

Anonymous said...

No, the red dot sight isn't backwards.

Dakota said...

Aren't U S government sub guns mostly H&K's in 40 S&W? That is a lot of pallets of ammo.

Brock Townsend said...

Someone mentioned coming for homeschoolers, well they'll need to send more than one to take my homeschooled Dixie, otherwise, outgunned is the name of the game when faced with a Saiga 12, as far as shotguns go.

The Sam Brothers, Flot and Jet said...

Maybe the purchases are to (a) impress us, and (b) keep some of the ammo out of our hands. But like so many have pointed out - it's OK if the Chicago thugs want to carry our ammo for us until we need it :o) We'll let 'em know when we need it.

Carl Bussjaeger said...

Basing the numbers on (probably low) federal estimates of gun owners, and what I keep on hand...

We have them out-supplied by at least two orders of magnitude.

And then there's the training issue.

Anonymous said...

I am very worried. I pray to God it doesn't come to that. But I fear it wil be forced upon us.

Scott J said...

The .40 S&W order makes me think I need to add that caliber to my ever expanding collection so I have a launcher for "scroungeable" ammmo.

When WLP primers are in even shorter supply than they are now we'll know where they're going.

Anonymous said...

I know what they know...

This is it : They want to force Obamacare WITHOUT A HOUSE VOTE, EFFECTIVELY DISREGARDING WHAT WE HAVE LEFT OF A DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC.

http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=NjAyOTZkMWM1NWYxZjIxZmMxM2Y0YzM1MmU2ZWYxZDU=

Anonymous said...

IRS orders shotguns

IRS IS the enforcing agent of
"National Health Care".

Coincidence?

Anonymous said...

Shotguns, huh...um, what's the effective range of a shotgun again?

Anonymous said...

"Aren't U S government sub guns mostly H&K's in 40 S&W?"

40 and 10mm, but I'd be shocked if any were still in service, since H&K won't support them anymore.

With regards to the amount of ammo, I've got ~400 or so rounds of that Fed-issue Border Patrol load under my bed. Hot stuff, but this was an older batch loaded by Remington.

All sold by a retiring BP agent at a table, no outer boxes provided, but still in the black plastic trays...

Snaggle-Tooth Jones said...

A right honorable shotgun in most dishonorable hands.

You know, with polls showing that only 22% of the American people support Congress and that 56% of the American people think the Federals pose an immediate threat to liberty, a case can be made that the Federals no longer enjoy what the political theorists call "legitimacy", which is the "popular acceptance of a governing regime or law as an authority."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legitimacy_(political)

Once legitimacy is gone, the jig is up, and the Beast *will* do everything in it power to defend and perpetuate itself.

Anonymous said...

They're going to need more than shotguns and .40S&W!

I've been stockpiling armor piercing, cop-killer ammunition in multiple cases.

If they want it and start it, let's give it to them good.

I've had enough of emailing, faxing, calling etc. and being ignored and treated like a second class citizen.

May God bless the defenders of freedom.

Anonymous said...

I heard yesterday that Congress voted to begin pulling troops out of Afghanistan in the next few weeks.

Anyone have any further info on that?

That's good. The resistance will need all the additional personnel that will join us from the ranks of the military.

So I appreciate that the Gov't is being so considerate of the people in this action.

Oh yea, remember that INTERPOL action recently?

Phelps said...

I've been stockpiling armor piercing, cop-killer ammunition in multiple cases.

Troll detector tripped.

Happy D said...

I guess we know where we will resupply after all.

GunGeek said...

As for the Border Patrol ammo... that's only a maximum of about 160 rounds per month per agent. I'm not sure how much training they put new agents through, but if they have to take the new recruit training ammo out of this also, it's still a high number but not ridiculously high.

Besides, the way government contracts work, they lock in the cost per box and then order as needed up to their limit. Who knows, they may only end up buying half of what they contracted for.

Not particularly likely, especially if it's in the budget and all. Gotta use up the budget, don't you know, even if it means they stockpile lots of excess ammo.

rexxhead said...

I have enough ammo to last me well beyond the point at which I think I'll still be breathing. My neighbors can have the rest if they can find a place to put it :-)

Anonymous said...

Seems like if the ammo was for practice, they would order ball.

So either they don't care about the price taxpayers pay for their practice ammo, or they're expecting to use it on targets not made of paper.

Anonymous said...

Actually, my Border Patrol office has been low on ammo for ages, so I'm perfectly happy with this order. More time to practice, use up our old ammo, keep some boxes at home for home defense, etc...

William Flatt said...

I'm coming to this post belatedly (catching up on my reading), but I heard about this when it hit the internets and all I can say is a paraphrased quote from someone whose name escapes me.

"You don't put on a condom unless you're getting ready to fornicate*" (*substitute appropriate F word here)

Get ready, the Constitution is likely to be formally nullified in the next 36 months, IMHO.