Hypothetical discussions on a 4GW theme. Mike Lawlor as Reinhard Heydrich? I guess that's up to him. Hypothetically speaking, of course.
In a comment on "Let every single step taken in this most intricate affair be upon the defensive." Malloy & Lawlor answer the question "Where to draw the line?" for us in bloody crayon, an anonymous respondent said:
Agree with the poster who said that the line will be crossed with 50 plus LEOs for one house. It will be overkill when they decide to strike.
Once that occurs, I don't think there is a rule that says fighting is limited to a raid setting. Have to fight against overwhelming odds. Cops go to the movies. Cops go to barbecues with their kids. Cops go to Walmart. Cops get drunk while watching football. Cops let their guard down, put the gun under the bed and screw thier wives. I 100% agree with no targeting of family members or other innocents. I don't think there is a rule though (Mike V. can correct me if I am wrong) that says you can't take out the trash when it is convenient for you. Once the fine gentlemen sworn to the Conn constitution become stinky garbage.
My reply, with edits and additions:
Anon 12:19AM:
You are thinking linearly, which is a violation of the precepts of 4GW and represents a diminution rather than a concentration of effort. Screw the pawns, a 4GW chess player scorns, go after the rooks and bishops. This is three- even four-dimensional chess. Evade the pawns and work your way through to the power players. Shear the Kings and Queens of their main supports. Better yet, make the brain that manipulates ALL the players understand that the game is not confined to the board but has deadly consequences for the chess master. Make them understand that the rules by which they've played all their lives DO NOT APPLY.
We're working with hypotheticals here, right? What does 4GW take as its primary target? The will and ability of the enemy LEADERSHIP to wage the war. Not the cops, not the foot soldiers, the leadership. As with all tyrannies, the leadership doesn't much care how many, say, Gestapo agents and Wehrmacht you kill. They DO care about how many gauleiters and mid-to-high-ranking little fuhrers you kill. 4GW rather targets what the enemy leadership cares about -- themselves, their future, their power. 4GW wins when it convinces the enemy leadership that prosecuting the war against the people is suicidal FOR THEM, not for cops and soldiers.
In any context, when the regime attacks folks in their homes, cops and soldiers will die along with their chosen victims. But after the first raids, there will be nobody home for the intended victims will be out and about targeting the war makers and decision takers. 4GW understands that if you kill them, the raids stop getting ordered because the men and women giving the orders have had their own personal education in the concept of assured destruction. It takes a very keen appetite for blood on the part of the tyrant to overcome that risk.
The other aspect of this is that 4GW takes the instincts of the bureaucrat and uses them against him. When the middle and high level bureaucrats, who are not particularly true believers but just "doing their jobs" and "working toward retirement" understand the personal consequences, they will refuse to do things that will make drawing that pension much less likely.
For the Czech resistance, for one example, to kill ten Gestapomen hardly counted. Killing ten Reinhard Heydrichs, however, plus twenty Adolf Eichmanns and a couple of Gauleiters and forty members of the German Reichstag who passed the enabling legislation ALL AT THE SAME TIME would have worked much better.
That's what 4GW posits anyway. I pray we never have to find out in an American context. But I fear that if the anti-Americans in CT state government now toying with sending raids into the homes of their own people get their way, it will certainly happen. And they will be utterly astonished at what happens when it does.
Does Mike Lawlor have the appetite for power (coupled with the lack of good sense) to act like Reinhard Heydrich? I guess that's up to him. Hypothetically speaking, of course. Certainly he doesn't give a rat's ass for the lives of his intended victims, or their families, or, for that matter, for the lives of the Connecticut State Police that he will order into harm's way to enforce his unconstitutional diktat. In that disdain he certainly shares with Heydrich the totalitarian impulse.
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In 4th GW the Hydra of tyranny has many heads.
I found the allusion to Heydrich to interesting, because just this morning I was thinking that gun owners in Connecticut might as well sew a Star of David on their clothing.
-Blake
And don't forget this list:
http://sipseystreetirregulars.blogspot.com/2014/02/a-sipsey-street-public-service.html
I agree that high value targets should always be,well, of highest value. But how many lackey's of the Gov't are truly innocent? They have free will to not obey unconstitutional orders. How many of them will have a problem with taking out someones family members just because they were "innocent"? Not to say we should operate at the low moral level of the lackeys, but what's fair is fair. How many low level drone operators quit their job after wiping out a wedding party of innocents while targeting a supposed terrorist? How many family members of Rambo-style State troopers will say "Honey, you're doing the wrong thing with unconstitutional raids on gun owners and i'll leave you if you do that"? I doubt if any; they'll probably sit there in agreement with what they're doing. Are IRS workers that get paid a measly 50 grand a year innocent when they harass people who know the IRS is nothing but a strong-arm scam for international bankers and refuse to pay? Should their low salaries make them "off-limit" targets? I say, make working for them a dangerous profession, but only as a target of opportunity. If long term planning has to go into one of these meat-heads then you're wasting your time, but if opportunity presents itself or if it's a matter of you or him, then all bets are off. I for one am not going to make special concessions for a private that I wouldn't make for a general. The fact that ex-Nazi camp guards, who are almost a century old, are still be hunted around the world tells me that guilty is guilty. He was just "doing his job" then is the same as he was just doing his job now. Make enough bureaucrats afraid to leave their house in the morning and watch the wheels of tyranny slow down a bit. The big shots can surround themselves with bodyguards day and night but Joe-Schmo from Kokomo can't...
Don't, however, discount the necessity of dealing with low level foot soldiers too.
As Solzhenitsyn wrote, the machinery of oppression in the USSR worked because the henchmen of the Soviet state were able to conduct their raids without fear that it might be they who didn't get to go home afterward. He further wrote that the oppressive state would soon run out of willing enforcers if that dynamic were different.
Like our POS Fearless Leader, these people in Conn are playing with Fire, and it will be a Route if the CSP are tasked with Rounding up the Felons or Guns they have set their sights on..And we will have the Making of CWII, There are a lot of Patriots about a Tank of Gas away, this could get Real Interesting!!!!
Semper Fi
I was told once (memory permitting) that a well-known historical figure once said, “… the poor will always be with us, as surely as some Edomite bastard with a political office will someday have me condemned to death, because the children of the red dragon seek earthly power and cannot change their nature.”
Another hypothetical: How many cops are put on foot if patrol cars are disabled? Figure 3 8 hour patrols, 3 cops per car, one round through the engine block = 3 cops on foot.
I think it would be difficult to show up with overwhelming force if transportation is lacking.
-Blake
Hi Mike,
When it comes to discussions on 4GW.... "This is the one!!!!!!"
Got Gunz??,
III%,
skybill-out
Mike, you've mailed your plans to these people! What stops them from bunkering themselves and their families then ordering the raids? I'm sure they've already made a list of most important to least and who to round up in the first wave. And they can do several waves a night. Even mid-level stooges know what's coming and have most likely made plans to get their families to safety once they get their orders. I know I would. If I were mid or low level and I got the order to attack, I'd make a phone call, Honey get the kids and go with the plan we came up with, like visiting family in another state,YES, dear I'll be careful, you too! Hopefully this will all be over tonight. When we arrest the leaders the rest will fall into line. Get the picture! If the orders are issued this should be a free for all from the get go or your done. Their going to go for a quick offence. If they can pull it off it makes them look good and they'll get good press. They can't afford a protracted fight, bad press and a chance of it spreading and them losing. So exspect the hammer to fall hard and fast. And really if your a gun owner why are you still there? No job is worth risking your families lives for. GET OUT NOW!
Isolate Connecticut - buy nothing made there sell no product there. Close the boarders!
Travel there only in large armed convoys ...
III
I am the poster that Mike V. is talking about with this post. I will say that your comment is well taken, Mike V.
As to post number 10: (anon at 2:20pm Nov 9)
First off, what the decision makers and decision takers do with their families is irrelevant, because by our need to stick to the moral high ground, they are off limits.
Secondly, some officers and bureaucrats have to be "out in the shit" and not bunkered up leading the grunts out there. If the top of the line becomes impossible to hit (at least until patriots capture MRAPS (sp?), Abrams tanks, etc.???) due to bunker hiding, then I guess it shifts to the highest VIPs out and about?
Mike V, do you have any comments to address if VIPs bunker and issue orders by radio? I would imagine, there are siege tactics, etc. that can be employed if it is assumed a bunker is truly protected.
FYI, off topic, but I can't stand the challenge words to post on this site, I have to sit there and just stare and stare at the hieroglyphics to try to figure out the challenge. The audio is just as bad. I guess it is practice for using WW2 era radio comms, LOL!
I consider it axiomatic that Lawler and his CSP bully-boys will almost certainly have to rely on sheeple ratting out their gun-owning neighbors. Since true anonymnity is not difficult to achieve, a couple of approaches would seem to be possible.
1) "Swatting" mid-to-upper level politicians and/or CSP management by anonymously narking them. Malloy, Lawler and other big wigs surely have family or (in the case of politicians) donors whose addresses should be available for reporting to the authorities as gun scofflaws.
2) It would appear to be a fairly trivial task to report a suspected gun owner at a given address and set up a little ambush. Like anon @ 10:54 AM on 11/09/14, I believe that at least SOME of the enforcement drones would balk if they started running into such ambushes. It WOULD require eyes/ears on the inside but that is not uncommon.
3) I suspect that envelopes (carefully handled so as not to provide any forensic clues) containing a photo of various high-ranking individuals' homes with a mil dot reticle superimposed upon it would go along way towards damping someone's ardor for participating in - or planning/ordering - gun raids. When the CSP starts their raids, the first envelopes could go out to the names/addresses on that list published not so long ago. If merely having their home address published, what would receiving a photo of their house with a scope reticle superimposed upon it do?
Reinhard Heydrich was assassinated. How could we possibly be as lucky? I put more faith in a divine meteor strike right between his eyes. Wouldn't that be great?!
Doesn't have to ba a round through the engine block. Besides, only a 50BMG round or a .338 Lapua would do non-repairable damage. But a .308 through the radiator would do the trick. Maybe not permanent, but eventually, parts suppliers would run out of replacements for that particular make and model of prowler.
What is to prevent a King of France-de Molay-Knights Templar disaster. The thugs of Connecticut could attempt a simultaneous massive take out of complainers. Heck, they could try a general massacre of all sympathizers and their relatives, then bring in a few million border walkers to repopulate the State. A government of wolves indeed.
Number 12, 10 here, I agree with you no women & children, moral high ground and all that. It ain't going to stop SWAT from tossing a flash bang in your babies crib,a sniper from shooting your wife in the head as she looks out the window to see what's going on outside or having some goon shoot your teenage son or daughter in their bed when he kicks down their bedroom door in the middle of the night as they reach for their glasses to see what's going on. A police spokes person will tell a crowd of reporters the next day it was all your fault! Because your one of those crazy gun nuts who just wouldn't follow reasonable gun registration laws. We just enforce the laws that the public wanted after Sandy Hook. We can't have another Sandy Hook! It's all for the children don't you know. And the media will be more than happy to repeatedly show video of SWAT dragging you hog tied in your underwear across your front yard crying! And they'll cut back to the police spokesperson who will say that you will also be charged with the deaths of your family as well as the gun violations! DON'T BE THAT GUY! Get out of gun grabber states NOW! Leave them and their anti Jesus, pro abortion, dope smoking, gay marriage, gun banning asses now! If we're all in one state and their in another we can have peace for awhile with more time to prepare. Isn't that what Mike is saying? Put off the violence as long as possible while still prepping.
Good thing you used the word 'hypothetical' (wink). And use of the hypothetical comparisons to Nazi assassinated figures. For a moment there, thought you were suggesting in detail who and how to assassinate American citizens, couched of course as a theoretical discussion of 4G warfare.
Hope this meets the terms of your use of blogger.com.
I'm just a reader. Probably your enemies aren't paying attention, anyway.
Best.
While targeting the decision makers is preferable targeting the grunts is still very effective because it scares them and that fear can motivate them into abandoning their masters. If nothing else it reduces the amount of pawns for the decision makers to order around.
Civil wars are never as neat and clean as what is being imagined here. In my opinion the "no targeting families" rule won't last long because the other side will target families (they already do as it is) and then some people on our side will decide that means that the RoE is no longer in effect and begin going after the families of the other side.
Remember this about trying to hold the moral high ground while fighting a war: The moral high ground is a good idea, except when you're killed trying to maintain it. Then it just becomes a grave with a nice view.
Anon1815, As to MRAPS, get ahead of the game.
Got glue? If the hatches are glued shut, or the fuel tanks, or if they're glued to the ground, they're not much use. If they can't fuel them, they won't go far.
There are jammers available for all radio frequencies, including military and police frequencies. As I understand, they're easily available, pretty effective and not real expensive.
What we have here is a failure to differentiate between perception and reality.
Those upper echelon persons (VIPs) need to know what's coming. They need to fear the people's wrath. They can not be allowed the opportunity to wave dismissively in the general direction of 'The Tea Party'.
Otherwise they will 'amp up' assuming that they can simply out shoot, out last, out maneuver those foolish anti govt types.
Part of 4GW must be the attempt to make it clear to everyone involved just how far one is willing to go. This MIGHT prevent the Civil War so many see coming. Weakness, perceived or real, attracts war as rotting meat attracts flies.
The time to make lower level bureaucrats and LEOs aware of what might happen is before the 4am door knock.
Yes Mike, those challenge words were getting impossible to decipher but I see as of 11/10 , 5 am they were changed back to numerals...
"What is to prevent a King of France-de Molay-Knights Templar disaster. The thugs of Connecticut could attempt a simultaneous massive take out of complainers. Heck, they could try a general massacre of all sympathizers and their relatives, then bring in a few million border walkers to repopulate the State. A government of wolves indeed."
No way this could happen with modern technology unless they had massive reinforcements from outside the state and they shut down the internet and all cell phone towers before hand. It would be a logistical nightmare as even if you shut down all comms somehow, you still have people scattered all over hell by the power of the internal combustion engine. This is not the middle ages where people didn't have iphones, telephones, radios, cars, etc.
Perhaps the first raids will coincide with the release of the Ferguson verdict. Perfect opportunity during all the riots. Keep your eyes open and always be prepared."FAITHFUL UNTO DEATH".
My 4GW handbook says *everyone* is a target: Cohorts, friends, wives, children, the family god damned pet, colleagues, supervisors, the politicians that enacted the laws, the media the distorts the truth to see it gets enacted, the people who voted for the corrupt politician, that person's friends, family, pets, coworkers, etc.
Quit thinking like pansies. This is civil war we're discussing - a civil war based on ideology. On one side is a group that wants nothing more than to be left alone, and on the other is a group that wants to control every and all aspects of life, and that will hound and nag their enemies until they get their way.
These two ideologies are wholly incompatible. You can not make peace with such people. If you do anything short of eradicating them, you'll be dealing with them and their BS in another twenty or fifty or hundred years.
Kill all they send. Soon they will send no more.
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