Take serious note, of the use of the terms; "riparian area" and "riparian land". This is not just a New Mexico issue. If the EPA gains control of all water ways, they will claim they cannot keep the water clean, unless they also control the adjacent land. This is a two-fold attack; endangered species and clean water, This movement across the country is being pushed by NGO's. I've seen it right here in my own county. Right now the flash point is in New Mexico and while all attention is centered there, the push is on, everywhere. This won't end well. The enemy only feigns to be willing to discuss the issues. They are liars and bottom feeding sneaks.
“What’s going to happen here is that we could end up with a Bundy situation,” said Sheriff House, referring to Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy’s standoff with the Bureau of Land Management. “Hopefully, we can resolve it without it getting out of hand.”
And of course, "getting out of hand" simply means The People winning back from their government that which has been stolen from them - Their property, water, grazing and general land use rights.
Instead of fencing off water access of cattle to keep the jumping mouse from being trampled by them, they could issue a simple advisory telling the jumping mouse to jump out of the way!
These property and land use rights abuses must stop, either voluntarily by the abusers (yeah, right), or by ever-increasing numbers of armed confrontation like in Bunkerville. Acquiescence and appeasement will only earn The People more abuses. This seems to be an issue that has stirred the soul of The People. Guess we'll see how long that lasts, but now would be a good time to take a stand while such a diverse swath of the citizenry seems able to grasp the significance of the issue. The People suffer from narcolepsy, and can go back to sleep in less than a heartbeat though. Strike while the iron is hot as "they" say.
Swift, you are right. The EPA is just the tool but gubmint IS all about controlling water BECAUSE that leads to control of land. This is already done with ground water and out west even with RAIN water (a couple states already criminalize collection of rain water) and land adjacent to waterways is indeed the trifecta of total control.
The REAL "grazing rights " at stake are OURS! Our inherent right to even EAT is being usurped. In many ways, it's already been. Can you say fishing licenses, hunting licenses and even farming controls?
The problem is, as Swift put it, " the flash point is in New Mexico". While there a few conservatives living in what my son calls "The Land of Entrapment", the government is pretty much over run with "progressives". Even a big percentage of "Law Enforcement" are leftists/statists/progressives. I am not at all sure the sheriff of that would actually do something even if ordered to by the county dads.
But if the sheriff actually DID open the gates . . . what would the Feds do in response? Would they risk an armed standoff with local law enforcement bolstered by armed residents? Sounds ominous to me. Yet another opportunity for a shooting war of the most UNcivil to break out.
DAMN! Seems like the Feds are downright BOUND AND DETERMINED either to force the patriots to kowtow to them or to force an armed confrontation.
I'm confused, Dutchman. What would be the proper 4GW response to such provocation? Seems to me a blood debt would be incurred. Time to publish a "fed list"? (as in Bracken's "Enemies Foreign and Domestic")
Ain't nothin' a pickup truck with a solid bumper and some chain can't cure... It'd take them weeks and $$$ to repsir, while "removal" can be done in minutes for effectively no cost.
LOL Mark Matis but don't give them ideas. The feds just this year designated 764,207 acres of critical habitat in southern Arizona and New Mexico for, of all things, jaguars. Ocelots are next. SWIFT is right, the EPA has proposed a rule to usurp control over every drop of water in the nation. The rule is still open for comment by the way, and commenting gives us standing to sue. The USFWS is doing the same thing only using junk science critical habitat rules to subjugate western state and privately held water rights to federal control. The SW Willow flycatcher habitat rule alone gobbles control of major rivers in 5 states. That I believe is also a goal of the jaguar critical habitat, in addition to ensuring the Mexican border remains out of control. It is a water-loving cat and water sources in the desert within 12 miles of each other is written into the regulation as a habitat requirement. So the feds are going after rivers and groundwater both.
The problem is that we are not attacking the other side's logistics. They can't fight with the weapon of "endangerment" if we get control of it. The endangered species act is the tool, weapon, they use to control lands of this sort. That angled needs to be worked, too. No animal is worth the harm these agencies do to people.
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Strew the area with mouse traps!
III
Take serious note, of the use of the terms; "riparian area" and "riparian land". This is not just a New Mexico issue. If the EPA gains control of all water ways, they will claim they cannot keep the water clean, unless they also control the adjacent land. This is a two-fold attack; endangered species and clean water, This movement across the country is being pushed by NGO's. I've seen it right here in my own county. Right now the flash point is in New Mexico and while all attention is centered there, the push is on, everywhere. This won't end well. The enemy only feigns to be willing to discuss the issues. They are liars and bottom feeding sneaks.
Far better, Anonymous from May 13, 2014 at 5:18 AM, to find an endangered cat species and start a colony of THEM there instead...
Fences can come down.
- Old Greybeard
Cut down the fences. If the feds show up and try to be stupid, send their bodies to DC in c/o Barack Obama
I'm shocked, who knew that cattle eat mice!
The 3S's may soon apply to the Forest Service as well as "protected" predators.
From the article:
“What’s going to happen here is that we could end up with a Bundy situation,” said Sheriff House, referring to Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy’s standoff with the Bureau of Land Management. “Hopefully, we can resolve it without it getting out of hand.”
And of course, "getting out of hand" simply means The People winning back from their government that which has been stolen from them - Their property, water, grazing and general land use rights.
Instead of fencing off water access of cattle to keep the jumping mouse from being trampled by them, they could issue a simple advisory telling the jumping mouse to jump out of the way!
These property and land use rights abuses must stop, either voluntarily by the abusers (yeah, right), or by ever-increasing numbers of armed confrontation like in Bunkerville. Acquiescence and appeasement will only earn The People more abuses. This seems to be an issue that has stirred the soul of The People. Guess we'll see how long that lasts, but now would be a good time to take a stand while such a diverse swath of the citizenry seems able to grasp the significance of the issue. The People suffer from narcolepsy, and can go back to sleep in less than a heartbeat though. Strike while the iron is hot as "they" say.
Swift, you are right. The EPA is just the tool but gubmint IS all about controlling water BECAUSE that leads to control of land. This is already done with ground water and out west even with RAIN water (a couple states already criminalize collection of rain water) and land adjacent to waterways is indeed the trifecta of total control.
The REAL "grazing rights " at stake are OURS! Our inherent right to even EAT is being usurped. In many ways, it's already been. Can you say fishing licenses, hunting licenses and even farming controls?
Americans need to wake the hell up.
I hate meeces to pieces.
The problem is, as Swift put it, " the flash point is in New Mexico". While there a few conservatives living in what my son calls "The Land of Entrapment", the government is pretty much over run with "progressives". Even a big percentage of "Law Enforcement" are leftists/statists/progressives. I am not at all sure the sheriff of that would actually do something even if ordered to by the county dads.
But if the sheriff actually DID open the gates . . . what would the Feds do in response? Would they risk an armed standoff with local law enforcement bolstered by armed residents? Sounds ominous to me. Yet another opportunity for a shooting war of the most UNcivil to break out.
DAMN! Seems like the Feds are downright BOUND AND DETERMINED either to force the patriots to kowtow to them or to force an armed confrontation.
I'm confused, Dutchman. What would be the proper 4GW response to such provocation? Seems to me a blood debt would be incurred. Time to publish a "fed list"? (as in Bracken's "Enemies Foreign and Domestic")
Sounds like some folks need some wire cutters!
Rusty
Ain't nothin' a pickup truck with a solid bumper and some chain can't cure... It'd take them weeks and $$$ to repsir, while "removal" can be done in minutes for effectively no cost.
"F" the feds.
LOL Mark Matis but don't give them ideas. The feds just this year designated 764,207 acres of critical habitat in southern Arizona and New Mexico for, of all things, jaguars. Ocelots are next.
SWIFT is right, the EPA has proposed a rule to usurp control over every drop of water in the nation. The rule is still open for comment by the way, and commenting gives us standing to sue. The USFWS is doing the same thing only using junk science critical habitat rules to subjugate western state and privately held water rights to federal control. The SW Willow flycatcher habitat rule alone gobbles control of major rivers in 5 states. That I believe is also a goal of the jaguar critical habitat, in addition to ensuring the Mexican border remains out of control. It is a water-loving cat and water sources in the desert within 12 miles of each other is written into the regulation as a habitat requirement. So the feds are going after rivers and groundwater both.
My guess is the Sheriff will refuse to confront the Feds. Maybe I'm wrong but I wouldn't bet money on my being so.
BTW....Bundy Ranch isn't over. The BLM Feds are right at it again, just in a different locale.
The problem is that we are not attacking the other side's logistics. They can't fight with the weapon of "endangerment" if we get control of it. The endangered species act is the tool, weapon, they use to control lands of this sort. That angled needs to be worked, too. No animal is worth the harm these agencies do to people.
that must be some fence, to keep out
a mouse. especially a jumping mouse.
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