The law makes it a crime to carry a gun in any establishment which derives more than 50% of its income from the sale of alcoholic beverages. That would place liquor stores and bars off limits but leave restaurants and Stop-and-robs OK. I suspect that the original intent of the law was to prevent shootouts between inebriated bar patrons (some people are mean drunks and a mean drunk with a gun is a very scary thing to contemplate) but I think that CHL holders should be exempt from that law. Alternatively, it could be a defense - even an affirmative defense - to prosecution under that statute that the person carrying used their weapon in a manner such as this.
For the record, it is NOT a crime to carry if one is a licensed armed security officer and the establishment is part of one's assigned patrol area. When I was working security I had a couple of posts that included liquor stores. It always gave me a kind of perverse thrill (like I was getting away with doing something naughty) to go into a liquor store openly packing heat. BTW, the uniform I am wearing in my (now several years old) pic is one I wore doing armed security.
Problem is the cops are going to track him down...either by threatening employees with an "obstruction of justice" charge, video surveillance tapes, or register receipts.
Hopefully, the guy paid cash...but I'm betting someone will be forced to cave.
I live in AZ and if something like this happened in some of the restaurants/bars I frequent....assuming the shoot was good....the most I'd face is a trespassing charge and that's highly unlikely if no one asked me to leave after determining I carried a concealed handgun.
But, that said, I wouldn't stick around either if I thought no one would find out who I was.
Let me explain.....
What occurred here was righteous self defense. No one who performed such an action should have to be questioned considering there are multiple witnesses to the events. It's just inviting entanglement in a corrupted legal system that is not interested in truth or justice.
I would be secure with my Maker about what I'd done and why....and frankly, in this world....the way it stands....all that matters is my morals....not what some black robed tyrant has to say about my actions.
The law should be that carrying a concealed weapon into a place that serves alcohol is legal as long as the carrier does not consume any.
I think that's the way it is here in North Carolina now, but I'll check and see.
The U.S. has 80% of the lawyers in the world and the largest rate of incarceration in prisons of any nation. Ninety-nine percent of the lawyers give the rest a bad name !! We have too many in government, and then wonder why it's so fucked up !! DUH ???
nobody will rat him out, if they do, the police will not arrest him, if they do, the DA wont prosecute, and if that happens, you wont find 12 people in harris county to convict him. That being said, Bob Owens in his article is incorrect about one thing,about this guy being barred for life from his second amendment rights if identified and convicted....In Texas, five years after the completion of one's sentence for a felony, as per penal code 46.04, they are allowed by law to own guns in their own home, but can never get a CHL and cant buy from an FFL dealer, as that is a federal and not a state thing
Look at the bright side of stupid gun laws: people get lots of practice in ignoring the law.
".In Texas, five years after the completion of one's sentence for a felony, as per penal code 46.04, they are allowed by law to own guns in their own home, but can never get a CHL and cant buy from an FFL dealer, as that is a federal and not a state thing"
Again, why would anyone pay attention to such crap? Come on, people, grow a pair!
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I would hope the patrons of the bar conveniently forget his name, perhaps describing him as someone he is not.
We may not get to vote on these laws, but we can affect how they are enforced.
Don't see what the problem is, use what you have available to defend yourself. If it's a car or a gun, so be it.
Jury nullification.
The law makes it a crime to carry a gun in any establishment which derives more than 50% of its income from the sale of alcoholic beverages. That would place liquor stores and bars off limits but leave restaurants and Stop-and-robs OK. I suspect that the original intent of the law was to prevent shootouts between inebriated bar patrons (some people are mean drunks and a mean drunk with a gun is a very scary thing to contemplate) but I think that CHL holders should be exempt from that law. Alternatively, it could be a defense - even an affirmative defense - to prosecution under that statute that the person carrying used their weapon in a manner such as this.
For the record, it is NOT a crime to carry if one is a licensed armed security officer and the establishment is part of one's assigned patrol area. When I was working security I had a couple of posts that included liquor stores. It always gave me a kind of perverse thrill (like I was getting away with doing something naughty) to go into a liquor store openly packing heat. BTW, the uniform I am wearing in my (now several years old) pic is one I wore doing armed security.
I'm with jrharvil....
Problem is the cops are going to track him down...either by threatening employees with an "obstruction of justice" charge, video surveillance tapes, or register receipts.
Hopefully, the guy paid cash...but I'm betting someone will be forced to cave.
I live in AZ and if something like this happened in some of the restaurants/bars I frequent....assuming the shoot was good....the most I'd face is a trespassing charge and that's highly unlikely if no one asked me to leave after determining I carried a concealed handgun.
But, that said, I wouldn't stick around either if I thought no one would find out who I was.
Let me explain.....
What occurred here was righteous self defense. No one who performed such an action should have to be questioned considering there are multiple witnesses to the events. It's just inviting entanglement in a corrupted legal system that is not interested in truth or justice.
I would be secure with my Maker about what I'd done and why....and frankly, in this world....the way it stands....all that matters is my morals....not what some black robed tyrant has to say about my actions.
The law should be that carrying a concealed weapon into a place that serves alcohol is legal as long as the carrier does not consume any.
I think that's the way it is here in North Carolina now, but I'll check and see.
The U.S. has 80% of the lawyers in the world and the largest rate of incarceration in prisons of any nation. Ninety-nine percent of the lawyers give the rest a bad name !! We have too many in government, and then wonder why it's so fucked up !! DUH ???
If its too late to call a cop to help you them calling them when the shooting is over is counter productive and contrary to good sense.
Good Shoot !
nobody will rat him out, if they do, the police will not arrest him, if they do, the DA wont prosecute, and if that happens, you wont find 12 people in harris county to convict him. That being said, Bob Owens in his article is incorrect about one thing,about this guy being barred for life from his second amendment rights if identified and convicted....In Texas, five years after the completion of one's sentence for a felony, as per penal code 46.04, they are allowed by law to own guns in their own home, but can never get a CHL and cant buy from an FFL dealer, as that is a federal and not a state thing
I saw the guy. He was 7 feet tall and had orange hair and a hare lip. I swear!
Look at the bright side of stupid gun laws: people get lots of practice in ignoring the law.
".In Texas, five years after the completion of one's sentence for a felony, as per penal code 46.04, they are allowed by law to own guns in their own home, but can never get a CHL and cant buy from an FFL dealer, as that is a federal and not a state thing"
Again, why would anyone pay attention to such crap? Come on, people, grow a pair!
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