Been happy totin' either a .38 snubbie or a .32acp pocket pistol for the longest time. But started wondering if gun A really has enough rounds, and been knowing all along gun B, while light, dependable and easily concealed, lacks stopping power.
This week, I've spent some time at several gun counters, mulling over my upgrade options.
Saw your headline tonight. Nice to know I'm not alone in my line of thinking.
My current concealed piece is a .38 Special S&W hammerless loaded with HydroShocks. In my car are 2 speed-loaders with wad-cutters. Considering going to a .45 but have one thought to kick around and welcome comments. During the VietNam War, the VC used Punjii Sticks that had been dipped in poop so that when a GI stepped on one, he would get Gangrene from the wound. How about using hollow-point ammo that has been "loaded" with some fecal and sealed with some lacquer or other sealant. If a perp only gets wounded, would some gangrene make a difference? A burglar I shot nearly 3 years ago got 3 of the hydroshocks: Arm, Leg & Gut. A "Turbo-Charged" Fecal loaded round might have taken him out of the Criminal Justice System for good. He is still doing time but costing the taxpayers a lot to keep him locked up. Something to kick around.
I think the realization is that you'll be demonized regardless, so the advantage is to quit being medium. Be equipped to win the fight. In my world that means a M&P9 or G17, preferably with RMR, and at least two magazines. It comes at a price; you must be physically fit with a flat stomach to make it work.
To Paul X; Its not about fear, in fact it is anything but. It is strictly about being mentally and physically fit as well as equipped to take the fight to hostile person(s). Criminals spend their entire day honing their tradecraft, how many hours today did you spend on honing yours?
If you do that you are setting your self up to be DESTROYED by the legal system. Remember, you are generally justified in trying to stop the threat. You are not generally justified in trying to kill the threat. What you propose is taking affirmative steps to increase lethality WITHOUT increasing effectiveness in the moment at all.
To anonymous at 9:41pm, While I see your point of wanting to add a little hurt, personally I would advise against it for two reasons; 1) Any lawyer for perp discovers it, you go down hard. 2) it's not what my Jesus would want me to do. Nuff said.
No need to upgrade always carried Colt Officers 45acp/6mags.S.W.MP Hammerless/357/Scandium. And 22/Mag. These Are Times That Tries A Mans Soul! We Will Not Stand Down ! Behind Enemy Lines. Collectivist Ct. AAA/O. 11B20.
Kinda pointless. The whole reason you use fecal matter on punji sticks is to tie up needed medical resources on an injured soldier, not to actually kill. You're better off buying hollow points and shooting the stupid bastard in the face and center of mass.
Besides, with our luck you'd wind up getting charged as a terrorist using a bioweapon.
To some extent it IS about fear, and you know what else? If your not afraid for your safety, the safety of your loved ones, and the safety of your fellow Americans right now your either insane or stupid (or both).
In case you haven't been paying attention, Dear Leader has failed miserably on an international scale to the tune OF AMERICANS BEING BEHEADED.
And while President Ebola is on the golf course as that happens, there are reports from credible sources that the southern border is being infiltrated by ISIL combatants- all while The Messiah seeks to restrict the right of the people to defend themselves further.
Lets be clear on something here- FEAR is -NOT- always a BAD thing- sometimes, when its truly justifiable, its a motivator.
And that is why FEAR exists- it is a primal emotion evolved to meet the needs of life in the REAL WORLD, to ALERT AND MOTIVATE.
Anyone who wants to go live in koom-bye-ahhh land with the lunatic fringe left and pretend that nothing is wrong, ignoring YOUR NATURAL INSTINCTS THAT SOMETHING IS FOR SURE AMISS;, as virulent disease and deadly enemies who want to kill Americans in horrible ways are BOTH pounding at our gates- can go take a happy pill (suppository) and stick their heads back in the sand (until ISIL gets around to cutting them off).
As for the rest of us-
"Gentlemen (and ladies) PREPARE TO DEFEND YOURSELVES!"
.....And on that note, I bring out my trusty 1911 .45......... to carry daily in FEAR that I might have to do just that, because DEAR LEADER and his cabinet of rabid moonbat leftards have FAILED national security so miserably that it has come to this.
"How about using hollow-point ammo that has been "loaded" with some fecal and sealed with some lacquer or other sealant."
Interesting idea, but I suspect that the time and effort required to implement it would be better spent improving your shot placement skills. Absent a LOT of development and testing, I'd be much more confident that the problem would be permanently solved by an ordinary .38 HydroShock in the head than by non-optimal placement of a "bio-enhanced" round. And I have no doubt whatsoever that use of the latter, if discovered in even a fully justified shoot, would have far more severe legal consequences than the former.
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WTF Planes full of Muslims being brought into the US SECRETLY!!!!
It just keeps getting worse and worse!
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message2662340/pg1
Going from two extra magazines to four. If you can't solve your personal contact issues with 41 rounds of .45 ACP, you need a rifle.
old, PPK new, 1911
Been happy totin' either a .38 snubbie or a .32acp pocket pistol for the longest time. But started wondering if gun A really has enough rounds, and been knowing all along gun B, while light, dependable and easily concealed, lacks stopping power.
This week, I've spent some time at several gun counters, mulling over my upgrade options.
Saw your headline tonight. Nice to know I'm not alone in my line of thinking.
Talk about paranoid fantasies...
I guess some people just aren't happy unless they have someone or something to fear.
Already had the best, .45acp. Did buy three new 13rd mags.
My current concealed piece is a .38 Special S&W hammerless loaded with HydroShocks. In my car are 2 speed-loaders with wad-cutters. Considering going to a .45 but have one thought to kick around and welcome comments. During the VietNam War, the VC used Punjii Sticks that had been dipped in poop so that when a GI stepped on one, he would get Gangrene from the wound. How about using hollow-point ammo that has been "loaded" with some fecal and sealed with some lacquer or other sealant. If a perp only gets wounded, would some gangrene make a difference? A burglar I shot nearly 3 years ago got 3 of the hydroshocks: Arm, Leg & Gut. A "Turbo-Charged" Fecal loaded round might have taken him out of the Criminal Justice System for good. He is still doing time but costing the taxpayers a lot to keep him locked up. Something to kick around.
I think the realization is that you'll be demonized regardless, so the advantage is to quit being medium. Be equipped to win the fight. In my world that means a M&P9 or G17, preferably with RMR, and at least two magazines. It comes at a price; you must be physically fit with a flat stomach to make it work.
To Paul X; Its not about fear, in fact it is anything but. It is strictly about being mentally and physically fit as well as equipped to take the fight to hostile person(s). Criminals spend their entire day honing their tradecraft, how many hours today did you spend on honing yours?
To Paul X....you're at the wrong site. Head over to the Huffington Post where you belong.
Anonymous @ 9:41PM:
If you do that you are setting your self up to be DESTROYED by the legal system. Remember, you are generally justified in trying to stop the threat. You are not generally justified in trying to kill the threat. What you propose is taking affirmative steps to increase lethality WITHOUT increasing effectiveness in the moment at all.
For all of our sakes, please, just don't.
To anonymous at 9:41pm,
While I see your point of wanting to add a little hurt, personally I would advise against it for two reasons; 1) Any lawyer for perp discovers it, you go down hard. 2) it's not what my Jesus would want me to do. Nuff said.
With ammo like Ranger-T and HST, is there that much difference between 9mm, .40, 10mm, and .45 any more?
I would not want to take a torso hit from HST in any of the above calibers.
No need to upgrade always carried Colt Officers 45acp/6mags.S.W.MP Hammerless/357/Scandium. And 22/Mag. These Are Times That Tries A Mans Soul! We Will Not Stand Down ! Behind Enemy Lines. Collectivist Ct. AAA/O. 11B20.
Anon at 10/9/14, 9:41pm:
Kinda pointless. The whole reason you use fecal matter on punji sticks is to tie up needed medical resources on an injured soldier, not to actually kill. You're better off buying hollow points and shooting the stupid bastard in the face and center of mass.
Besides, with our luck you'd wind up getting charged as a terrorist using a bioweapon.
You know what?
To some extent it IS about fear, and you know what else? If your not afraid for your safety, the safety of your loved ones, and the safety of your fellow Americans right now your either insane or stupid (or both).
In case you haven't been paying attention, Dear Leader has failed miserably on an international scale to the tune OF AMERICANS BEING BEHEADED.
And while President Ebola is on the golf course as that happens, there are reports from credible sources that the southern border is being infiltrated by ISIL combatants- all while The Messiah seeks to restrict the right of the people to defend themselves further.
Lets be clear on something here- FEAR is -NOT- always a BAD thing- sometimes, when its truly justifiable, its a motivator.
And that is why FEAR exists- it is a primal emotion evolved to meet the needs of life in the REAL WORLD, to ALERT AND MOTIVATE.
Anyone who wants to go live in koom-bye-ahhh land with the lunatic fringe left and pretend that nothing is wrong, ignoring YOUR NATURAL INSTINCTS THAT SOMETHING IS FOR SURE AMISS;, as virulent disease and deadly enemies who want to kill Americans in horrible ways are BOTH pounding at our gates- can go take a happy pill (suppository) and stick their heads back in the sand (until ISIL gets around to cutting them off).
As for the rest of us-
"Gentlemen (and ladies) PREPARE TO DEFEND YOURSELVES!"
.....And on that note, I bring out my trusty 1911 .45......... to carry daily in FEAR that I might have to do just that, because DEAR LEADER and his cabinet of rabid moonbat leftards have FAILED national security so miserably that it has come to this.
"How about using hollow-point ammo that has been "loaded" with some fecal and sealed with some lacquer or other sealant."
Interesting idea, but I suspect that the time and effort required to implement it would be better spent improving your shot placement skills. Absent a LOT of development and testing, I'd be much more confident that the problem would be permanently solved by an ordinary .38 HydroShock in the head than by non-optimal placement of a "bio-enhanced" round. And I have no doubt whatsoever that use of the latter, if discovered in even a fully justified shoot, would have far more severe legal consequences than the former.
I carry a full size 1911 and an extra magazine. The 1911 will be used to get myself to my truck, which may contain a Garand.
Which reminds me, I need to get some black tipped ammo for the hypothetical Garand.
-Blake
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