Tuesday, August 16, 2011

Read this. At least twice. It has the advantage of being pretty much factually correct.

Things you may not know about gun control in America.


WarriorClass III said...

"...the founding generation denied gun ownership to many people: not only slaves and free blacks, but law-abiding white men who refused to swear loyalty to the Revolution."

Why would you want to allow your enemies to arm against you? The founding fathers weren't stupid.

Take down the leviathan; shine the light of day and watch the cockroaches scatter.

Break the code:



Anonymous said...

Ouch. What can I say? I learned something today. Even about the not-so-sacred NRA.

B Woodman

the Hunter said...

Nothing particularly new or revolutionary in there. I do think they are over-stating the influence the Black Panther's stance on RKBA had on the movement, though they are probably right about the effect it had on enactment of odious laws.

I've childhood memories of my dad's opposition to gun control from a very young age in the mid 60s, and I rather doubt he learned that from them. My grandfather was just as opposed from what I recall. Neither of them were NRA members even back then because they didn't like the fact that NRA sold us out on 68 GCA. Those attitudes didn't form overnight.

I think they've got the influence exactly backward at a guess, since we know very well from other sources that some NRA affiliates were quite active in helping the civil rights movement arm itself for self defense. Interesting how they don't even mention the Deacons for Defense and Justice, isn't it? A decent article as far as it goes, but "the truth is out there".

Anonymous said...

Winkler forgot to mention this quote from Heller: "The very enumeration of the right takes out of the hands of government—even the Third Branch of Government—the power to decide on a case-by-case basis whether the right is really worth insisting upon."

Anonymous said...

"The very enumeration of the right takes out of the hands of government—even the Third Branch of Government—the power to decide on a case-by-case basis whether the right is really worth insisting upon."

In part because previous SCOTUS rulings (primarily US v Cruikshank) held that the enumerated RKBA predates The Constitution of the United States and the government established thereby and is not dependent on either for its continued existance. Therefore, if the US Government "went away" tomorrow, the right mentioned in 2A (not granted or guaranteed by) would still exist.

Anonymous said...

Keep in mind that NRA was established as a marksmanship training organization with a side line in firearms safety training and there are those in the organization who would like to see it return to the good old days.

Just as the Buckley/Goldwater/Reagan camp of the GOP had to force a conservative agenda on an unwilling Rockefeller/Bush country club establishment, and that only temporarily it would seem, the Cincinatti reforms forced an unwilling NRA to at least pay some attention to the loss of gun rights in the USA. As the article mentioned, the NRA was in the process of creating and funding The Whittington Center as a new shooting sports palace and national headquarters, as far from the fight in DC as they could get.

The details of the struggle, and how it was ultimately lost (perhaps?) would fill a book. And it has. I suggest anyone interested should read "Neal Knox -- The Gun Rights War".

fgd-anchorage said...

The only place in the US Constitution (including amendments of course) where the phrase, "being necessary to the security of a free State," is in the Second Amendment. So comparing the "1792 federal law mandated every eligible man to purchase a military-style gun and ammunition for his service in the citizen militia." with "the 'individual mandate' that has proved so controversial in President Obama’s health-care-reform law" fails as would comparing registering for the draft with purchasing health insurance.

tom said...

For somebody that dabbled/dabbles in socialism/communism at times, Bobby Seale is pretty astute about some things (and he wrote a great book about how to make decent barbecue, too).

He doesn't say as much about his politics anymore, not like he used to, but I bet he's still armed.