tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7575061201749703300.post794918561327533313..comments2024-02-28T20:56:23.768-06:00Comments on Sipsey Street Irregulars: "Shhh! It's a secret!" ATF approves 13,000 unregistered suppressors for import, allows them to be sold, and then changes their minds.Dutchman6http://www.blogger.com/profile/09935420042995679958noreply@blogger.comBlogger27125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7575061201749703300.post-45969599058261837222012-12-22T09:40:53.255-06:002012-12-22T09:40:53.255-06:00Is the Gsg5 22 silencer still an issue with the SD...Is the Gsg5 22 silencer still an issue with the SD? I just bought an SD yesterday at Dunhams sports. This post is from two years ago. If it was such an issue I believe the guns would have been removed from the stores and not be able to sell them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7575061201749703300.post-7596266578374012192012-06-26T21:36:54.289-05:002012-06-26T21:36:54.289-05:00i guess they(the atf) can approve anything and the...i guess they(the atf) can approve anything and then change their minds, look at the fast and f**%&ed/ops gun walker up thing they tried to blame on j & g sales, the atf cost a few people their lives on that deal,and then tried to hide it...some heads need to roll there(at the atf)still but they will just sweep it under the rug...the days of by the people for the people are over.soon they will be at the door to take the rest of our firearms...just like adolph didAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7575061201749703300.post-74700011453737284552011-11-18T08:19:16.709-06:002011-11-18T08:19:16.709-06:00***They did make us remove quite a bit of dialogue...***They did make us remove quite a bit of dialogue regarding the ATF from our letter before their lawyers would let us make a statement.***<br /><br />Since when do you need the ATF to approve the content of your own statement? They don't own the dialogue you had with them and... The first amendment exists.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7575061201749703300.post-40052601255663132982010-11-14T15:07:44.016-06:002010-11-14T15:07:44.016-06:00what would really be scarey is if BATF Gave a...what would really be scarey is if BATF Gave a free issue tax stamp via "batf rulling " if owner applied for the tax stamp and went thru the process of a real supresser. <br />all for a so called 'supresser' that would fail every osha requirement of performance if it was a jack hammer or car muffeler. <br /><br />explination note of some past history ;<br /> (like when in early 1990's 'streetsweepers' and other <12 ga shotguns > had to be registered as a 'destructive weapon' after the fact of sale date ... there was an official amnesity period ... AND THAT MADE EACH SUBSIQUENT BUYER/ OWNR SUBJECT TO THE TAX STAMP TRANSFERED BY INHERITANCE might be an exception . it also made some of the streetsweepers able to be confiscated if the amnestity period lapsed and was not registered . and likely left many streetsweepers out there as illeagle thru no fault of original and subsiquent owners because theyd be believed to be grandfathered in as exemt since original purchace preceeded the batf rulling. <br /><br /> frankly registering after the fact was an infringment to property rights to freely liqudate the asset by limiting buyers in requiring added red tape in fees to buyer and in handeling the transaction thru a class 3 dealer . and to keep said stamp with the weapon. that made (at time of purchase) a other wise non federally regulated weapon into a weapon that needed the same paperwork handeling as machine guns on the federal level. ) <br />the only advantage was that it established a more solid leagle ownership of the weapon (in leagle terms) and in many streetsweeper owners discovering theyd qualify to own machine guns in passing the required background check and gaining experiance in going thru the process.<br /><br />davida michaelle aka davidainmaryland1 in yahoo and cam frog .Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7575061201749703300.post-74824298545668344432010-02-17T19:31:30.151-06:002010-02-17T19:31:30.151-06:00Holy cats! That field agent from the alphabet gan...Holy cats! That field agent from the alphabet gang has a plastic soda bottle and showed you how to make a suppressor with it. Hope he has the tax stamp for the soda bottle. Likewise, I hope every alphabet agent has the appropriate tax stamps for the soda bottles on their desks. Also, the guy who fills up the soda machine down the hall needs to be publicly flogged for dealing in unregistered suppressors. <br /><br />Seriously, I don't see how constructive intent can't be leveraged against the BATFE if they acknowledge that soda bottles can be made into suppressors.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7575061201749703300.post-24716461704691749772010-02-17T15:31:45.781-06:002010-02-17T15:31:45.781-06:00Wasselmander Benefessor Jones, to be honest I have...Wasselmander Benefessor Jones, to be honest I have never worn a ski mask that did not mess with my vision.<br />But given ATF fire discipline it may only improve their aim."Nyok nyok nyok... wooo woo woo woo woo woooo!" And then he tosses the grenade in the room with his buddies.<br />Lovely insult by the way, Well done Bravo.Happy Dnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7575061201749703300.post-30482663223841774862010-02-17T10:32:31.876-06:002010-02-17T10:32:31.876-06:00So then, IF I were to fill out the application and...So then, IF I were to fill out the application and pay the $200.00 "transfer fee", would I then be in compliance to legally own a silencer that doesn't silence?<br /><br />Too "Acting Director Melson": Your suggestion that BATF be responsible for all financial reimbursement, for their own mistake, has one small flaw; the BATF is funded by us tax and transfer fee payers.MikeH.https://www.blogger.com/profile/11511925756474067012noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7575061201749703300.post-4767528547845928262010-02-17T06:30:50.371-06:002010-02-17T06:30:50.371-06:00aughtsix: Please stand by. The planetary compute...aughtsix: Please stand by. The planetary computer is presently generating the answer, though it may take a year or two.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7575061201749703300.post-2868855192857919842010-02-16T23:36:44.280-06:002010-02-16T23:36:44.280-06:00Just what, again, constitutes a cause for war?
Wh...Just what, again, constitutes a cause for war?<br /><br />When, exactly, is the social contract broken?<br /><br />When, in the promulgation of unjust "law", is the authority of government dissolved and the citizenry A.B.S.O.L.V.E.D. ???<br /><br />We have long since suffered more grievous injury to our Rights than did The Founders; our Liberty and Rights, established by the Founding Documents and reinforced by our history and traditions, are now obviously being ignored and trampled to an unprecedented extent.<br /><br />What will it take for us to act? <br /><br />What treason, what hypocrisy, what lawlessness, what degree of corruption, what calamity, what utter disaster must come to pass for men to find their courage?aughtsixnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7575061201749703300.post-18879261169369639802010-02-16T19:42:17.667-06:002010-02-16T19:42:17.667-06:00Odds are they'll find a 922(r) issue with the ...Odds are they'll find a 922(r) issue with the improved dummy suppressor as it's being done offshore and the remanufacture is adding another countable foreign made part or two. They'll count the welds as foreign parts...this game could go on for a long time. <br /><br />BATFE doen't care, they don't have anything to lose and they have no reason whatsoever to help. It's not in their interest to be useful to firearms manufacturers so they aren't.tomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14230665595988628546noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7575061201749703300.post-54702771985573960112010-02-16T19:30:05.868-06:002010-02-16T19:30:05.868-06:00OK...
First, we don't have *ANY* official wor...OK...<br /><br />First, we don't have *ANY* official word on this - just a claim by an unknown person on a website where anyone can be anybody. As proof, note my "user name" here.<br /><br />Second, there are ALL SORTS of BS stories flying around the intarwebs - how are we to know this one is true, with no official letter from the BATFEces?<br /><br />*IF* I understand this correctly, mostly from reading between the lines and researching the gun in question, here's the problem...<br /><br />The "fake can" is actually nothing more than a barrel-shroud. It APPEARS to be a hollow metal tube that has a bigger opening on the "receiver" end than on the also-threaded muzzle end.<br /><br />*IF* someone were so inclined, he could remove the shroud, and use the bigger-hole in the receiver-end to insert a perforated tube and a bunch of steel-wool into the shroud. <br /><br />If he then turned the shroud 180 degrees lengthwise and threaded the muzzle-end of the shroud onto the muzzle backwards - so the shroud was hanging off the end of the Bbl like a suppressor - it would function as a suppressor.<br /><br />I also am guessing that the "extra weight" involved in the new "shroud" will include an inner "sleeve" on the shroud that will make it impossible to "stuff" as aforementioned.<br /><br />All that said, this is INSANE. First, the ATF is now going to have the name and address of all owners of these rifles - and they're forbidden by law to collect such info.<br /><br />Second, I can - off the top of my head - think of a number of folks who received ATF approvals and were bankrupted when they later changed their minds.<br /><br />The costs to ATI must be TREMENDOUS - the ATF should be made to reimburse all expenses incurred by a manufacturer when they - in good faith - act on an BATFEces approval and they later reneged on their approval.<br /><br />Personally - if I owned one of these (I do not) - I wouldn't do a damn thing until I had IN HAND a copy of an official BATFEces letter ordering me to do so.<br /><br />The objections and concerns - especially about shipping an item ruled to be an illegal suppressor - are more than valid. Tell me these goons wouldn't be happy as they could be to arrest 13,000 people on charges of illegally shipping NFA suppressors?<br /><br />Don't try to tell me they're above such behavior - after Olafson I don't believe they're above ANYTHING...<br /><br />WV: "exesses" -- indeed, the BATFEces have many on their record...Acting Director Melsonhttp://www.atf.govnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7575061201749703300.post-13380160734387007232010-02-16T18:25:36.687-06:002010-02-16T18:25:36.687-06:00Given ATF's legal troubles, I wouldn't be ...Given ATF's legal troubles, I wouldn't be terribly surprised if this whole idiotic operation was just a way to justify continuing funding.<br /><br />It screams of "look, we're doing SOMETHING!", especially given the reluctance of ATF to give authorization to ATI to release documents related to this.<br /><br />Documents that I expect will get leaked anyway, since they have to pass through so many hands...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7575061201749703300.post-11335139887885726302010-02-16T18:21:14.299-06:002010-02-16T18:21:14.299-06:00What? I've never heard a peep of this on the M...What? I've never heard a peep of this on the MSM- and I don't know how to read or use a computer, so there's no way I'm goinng to learn about this recall.<br />I think the bad boys are gonna be useing my ill-informed house as their next staging area... please, don't anyone tell anyone that I have one of these and have no intentions of returning it for exchange.<br />Oops... <br />Shy IIIShy Wolfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12708293970831678927noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7575061201749703300.post-62315091864218896782010-02-16T14:41:12.627-06:002010-02-16T14:41:12.627-06:00Regarding the top picture: I'm real uncomforta...Regarding the top picture: I'm real uncomfortable with idiots with machine guns too stupid to pull the eyeholes down from his eyebrows. This may explain some of the "friendly fire" during the Waco raid.Carl Bussjaegerhttp://www.bussjaeger.orgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7575061201749703300.post-50532134596940665832010-02-16T13:38:49.562-06:002010-02-16T13:38:49.562-06:00HAPPY D -
If you look closely, does it seem that t...HAPPY D -<br />If you look closely, does it seem that the JBT's terrorist mask slightly obscures his vision? Would it be a hoot if he blindly sprayed his own comrades and sent the rest of his rounds into the air, scattering pigeons and smashing innocent twigs... while perhaps shouting, "Nyok nyok nyok... wooo woo woo woo woo woooo!"<br /><br />and JD Anon -<br />Thank you, sir - for your kind words, I humbly bow, and in deference to the questionable gender of the BATFUs, I also equally perform a swishy curtsy, sweeping my finest petticoats along the DOJ floor mosaic here in my summer home.Wasselmander Benefessor Jonesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7575061201749703300.post-16426899153665953782010-02-16T08:33:24.851-06:002010-02-16T08:33:24.851-06:00I arrived here linked from Of Arms and the Law.Thi...I arrived here linked from Of Arms and the Law.This is a good site, I like it here. California has patriots, too.<br />As far as a bounty on each can, I don't know how that would go. After they started scratching the bible verses off the military optics recently, I inquired with the manufacturer as to whether I could still get "pre ban" optics or have them custom engraved. They said nope, not for civilians. Did I just say "pre ban optics"?!jaknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7575061201749703300.post-57450788539057284922010-02-16T08:29:25.833-06:002010-02-16T08:29:25.833-06:00If I was the owner of one or more of these "d...If I was the owner of one or more of these "devices" (and I'm not) I would have two words for the folks over there at "F" Troop....<br /><br />F.U.<br /><br />Bob<br />IIIidahobobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12857771751176894988noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7575061201749703300.post-72385620298260995772010-02-16T07:40:57.299-06:002010-02-16T07:40:57.299-06:00W.B. Jones: I stand in awe of your mastery of prof...W.B. Jones: I stand in awe of your mastery of profane rhetoric. You, sir, are my hero. <br />JDAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7575061201749703300.post-69516518488229489472010-02-16T06:01:37.603-06:002010-02-16T06:01:37.603-06:00Of course, if the BATF wanted to backdoor a scheme...Of course, if the BATF wanted to backdoor a scheme for 13,000 search and seizure warrants, what better way to go about it?<br /><br />If the same BATF were answering to an administration whose CEO openly admits he'd like to have a "civilian security force that rivals the US military in firepower", which presumably answers only to him, and I was the owner of such a firearm, I might be a little concerned.<br /><br />Am I nuts if I suggest that it might be a tad naive to assume the BATF's accidental-approval-come-shady-disapproval maybe isn't so accidental?<br /><br />Ain't sayin', just sayin'.<br /><br />ST&LAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7575061201749703300.post-54346096758692005382010-02-16T02:34:44.628-06:002010-02-16T02:34:44.628-06:00Hey that guy in the picture at the top of the arti...Hey that guy in the picture at the top of the article looks like that guy who robbed that 7-11.<br />I would recognize that ski mask anywhere.Happy Dnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7575061201749703300.post-61486424579538876952010-02-15T21:52:42.736-06:002010-02-15T21:52:42.736-06:00Two thoughts -
one. After Olafson, why would ANYON...Two thoughts -<br />one. After Olafson, why would ANYONE be so effin' stupid as to turn anything in to anybody in the gummint? Least of all the same BAT-FYs who framed and railroaded Olafson.<br />The JBTs probably set the whole thing up to boost their wilting image and maybe get a testosterone jolt for their agents who haven't had a Vicki Weaver or Dave Koresh to assassinate in recent times.<br /><br />Second - I'm pretty sure anyone who reads this blog knows this already, BUT in countries that are run by more liberated people instead of fearful fascists, citizens are not only encouraged to carry but also to use suppressors in order to safeguard the hearing of people on or around ranges and training facilities. If you know anyone in Israel or Finland for example, they should be able to get you a suppressor in a local shop. Then again, of course, we ALL know how the streets run with blood in those places due to the use of suppressors, right?<br />Hmph. Limp weenied, smegmaphile, tinhorn dictating yellow bellied jackbooted dipschitz.Wasselmander Benefessor Jonesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7575061201749703300.post-64161467058298413602010-02-15T20:05:27.661-06:002010-02-15T20:05:27.661-06:00Until the ATF releases an OFFICIAL statement as to...Until the ATF releases an OFFICIAL statement as to the procedure THEY require, I wouldn't accept the return of ANY GSG-5 as a dealer. I work for a Class III dealer/Type 7 manufacturer, I would advise that his best LEGAL way of dealing with the GSG-5 SD 1st Anniversary models we have in stock would be to remove the shrouds and torch cut them into oblivion unless the ATF makes a special provision for their return.<br /><br />Strictly speaking, the ATF is claiming these are now Title II components and possessing/shipping/receiving them without an approved transfer (no matter what license you have) is illegal. Shipping it to a third party (ATI) would simply be another illegal transfer. Unless the BATFE states in writing that they approve of the process by which these shrouds are exchanged, everyone who sends/receives these items is technically violating the NFA/GCA.<br /><br />Am I being paranoid? Sure. In light of the way the handled this case so far, I feel eminently justified in not trusting them!RevGreghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11627218929198779685noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7575061201749703300.post-91392695687769885672010-02-15T19:55:43.161-06:002010-02-15T19:55:43.161-06:00This stinks to high heaven. Didn't HK just se...This stinks to high heaven. Didn't HK just settle a lawsuit resulting in minor changes to the GSG but leaving it still looking like the the MP5? I'm wondering if someone at HK (or Colt) dropped an suspiciously thick envelope on a desk at BATFE.parabarbarianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04987535851654809713noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7575061201749703300.post-78349994666896620762010-02-15T19:22:46.181-06:002010-02-15T19:22:46.181-06:00What good was a fake can in the first place? If i...What good was a fake can in the first place? If it didn't silence, or even muffle the report of a shot, why the hell have it? Could these fake cans have had real guts installed and been successfully be converted to actual silencers? Is that the reason they've been recalled?Ahabhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07000423065458380753noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7575061201749703300.post-88800216946520880972010-02-15T19:10:43.501-06:002010-02-15T19:10:43.501-06:00Isn't there an amnesty/reward program for thes...Isn't there an amnesty/reward program for these things? I understand that if you come into possession of a class 3 device, you can turn it in for $50 at any gun dealer, courtesy of the BATF. <br /><br />I seem to recall some scuttlebutt at the local gun store about a widow finding an illegal Tommy gun in her late husband's effects. I wasn't there, but somebody got paid.<br /><br />I mean, if they SAY it is a suppressor, it must be worth the bounty, right?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com