tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7575061201749703300.post6001157679997080289..comments2024-02-28T20:56:23.768-06:00Comments on Sipsey Street Irregulars: Easter Uprising - 100 Years Ago Dutchman6http://www.blogger.com/profile/09935420042995679958noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7575061201749703300.post-91483165830125952882016-04-28T09:56:07.458-05:002016-04-28T09:56:07.458-05:00Good stuff, I reposted over at The Jolly Landsknec...Good stuff, I reposted over at The Jolly Landsknecht with some comments. Keep up the good work!<br /><br />JLAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7575061201749703300.post-76389226539604680772016-04-27T19:04:13.330-05:002016-04-27T19:04:13.330-05:00Ah yes, Vanderboegh...a FINE old Irish name...Ah yes, Vanderboegh...a FINE old Irish name...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7575061201749703300.post-43149958890638909642016-04-27T12:15:54.196-05:002016-04-27T12:15:54.196-05:00Chiu:
OK, I see you have done your homework an...Chiu:<br /> OK, I see you have done your homework and I take back the suggestion about the Black and Tans. They were to come later and I should not have mixed two segments of history. I will have to wash my mouth out in good Irish whiskey. The Easter Rising has a great many lessons for us. It was a complex issue with many ideologies indeed. Perhaps, as I get older (heck I have been retired for years) and wiser (I find more nuances and facets in life), my view of history and the lessons to be taught come into better focus. The Rising should serve as a warning and the article was very good. Again I am so glad someone in the “blogosphere” recognized it. <br /> When the cargo of the SS “Aud” was discovered by the Brits, the Volunteers jumped the gun (pun intended). Just about 100 years ago today, it was obvious their timing was off. Even before the 24th of April some realized this. The rebellion was a heck-of-a-way to get your likeness on postage stamps and statues. My personal favorite is the Countess. She predates the “little old ladies in tennis shoes”. Good boots and a revolver, damn, my kind of woman!<br /> “Killing and dying” to me has such a terminal ring to it. I am of the old school “fight and die” terminology, though proverbial “fight to win” sounds better yet. We live in a very exciting time of history and would like to see this chapter play out.<br /> I did notice in Ireland for the “Centenary” the reenactors of the Irish Volunteers had real rifles (though I suspect they were inactivated per State orders), but the Ulster Volunteers were “armed” with what appears to be wooden rifles. Considering the animosity still lingering (“Lesson 5”) that might be prudent. “Oh Sean, that wooden gune y’got thiar should make a moity foine cloob indeed”.<br /> ………..J. Connolly<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7575061201749703300.post-89451774052223362722016-04-27T08:02:22.940-05:002016-04-27T08:02:22.940-05:00John, the only way I know to follow that rule is c...John, the only way I know to follow that rule is celibacy till death. Not that there's anything wrong with that, but I wouldn't list it as an essential of properly planned resistance to tyranny.<br /><br />Still, I hope I get what you're saying by interpreting it to mean establishing a clear moral standard for and by your actions, with which I must agree as imperfect as I am myself in practice.Chiu ChunLinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03519192610708043962noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7575061201749703300.post-68991415345196246192016-04-26T04:26:29.688-05:002016-04-26T04:26:29.688-05:00I'm sorry if I seemed to be denigrating the im...I'm sorry if I seemed to be denigrating the importance of self-rule, which was a legitimate issue that shouldn't have taken nearly a century of futile bloodshed for the British to decide was a moral imperative they needed to recognize.<br /><br />Nor can I approve of the conduct of the British authorities in either the heavy-handedness of the military response nor the extremely lopsided prosecutions that followed.<br /><br />As to whether a paramilitary uprising/demonstration/occupation was a sound course to pursue at the time, I have to say that militarily it wasn't, though if it had been militarily sound, morally the limited action planned would have been justified by the history and contemporary refusal of Parliament to recognize and advance the principle of self-rule.<br /><br />But the lynchpin of success or failure was, to a great extent, the question of whether many people (both Irish and English), and even those filling the trenches, understood what they were fighting to defend, and it wasn't some mere Irish nationalism...or at least, it shouldn't have been. If the principles expressed had transcended such a narrow nationalism, it might well have been possible to expand the insurrection beyond the ability of the British to resolve militarily, and even bring into question the fundamental moral duties of the responding authorities.<br /><br />I picked out the salient element that should in no wise have appeared in a sober declaration of their cause, the one that may well be considered to have contributed more to the interminable nature of the following decades of conflict than to any real vision of what Irish independence was or ought to become. And I picked it to make a point about leading an effective insurrection.<br /><br />It's not something I personally intend to do, but it is a pertinent concern for the III% community at large. Don't say stuff like "white men and women unite!" or even more ethnically narrow appeals, speak of things that apply to everyone who loves freedom.<br /><br />Recognizing that not everyone does, and refusing to make that an excuse to try and make appeals that are fundamentally contradictory to freedom.<br /><br />As for whether I have any clearly defined cause worth killing and possibly dying to defend, the answer is yes, but it is complicated by the fact that I ultimately desire to kill and die for reasons that are NOT generally applicable (part of why I don't seek to lead anyone). There is no reason to share them here (indeed, there are reasons NOT to do so). But I've also studied and endorsed the fundamental principles of freedom which are essential to a moral resistance to tyranny...and the proclamation of the Provisional Government of the Irish Republic managed to miss them by a margin that probably made a big difference in the event.<br /><br />A mistake that might well have set back the cause of self-rule by decades and at a terrible cost in lives lost and ruined.Chiu ChunLinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03519192610708043962noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7575061201749703300.post-42094953955993585962016-04-25T22:06:40.615-05:002016-04-25T22:06:40.615-05:00Chiu,
I am so happy that someone realized the ...Chiu,<br /> I am so happy that someone realized the 100th of the Easter Rising, Either you have not done your homework or, ... you are, perhaps , a black and Tan lurking about to re-write history.<br /> "...futility and arrogance of the effort at a moral level"... spoken, by the opposition, about any or all failed rebellions, no matter how well intended, throughout history. We are talking the basic concepts of the Irish rebels 100 years ago. Yes, they were not all sold on the timing of the rebellion, or even rebellion indeed. Gotta think " But the Irish Republic , what is that?". AAaargh! what are you missing? Even the Ulstermen, give them credit as they (all) stood up for what they believed. Do you,sir, deep down, have any "clearly defined cause worth killing and possibly dying to defend"? <br /> ...James Connolly Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7575061201749703300.post-25810907645039671342016-04-25T13:36:28.524-05:002016-04-25T13:36:28.524-05:00The salient point for me was the futility and arro...The salient point for me was the futility and arrogance of the effort at a moral level.<br /><br />"The Irish Republic is entitled to, and hereby claims, the allegiance of every Irishman and Irishwoman."<br /><br />What a preposterous bit of lunacy. There are universal principles that should claim the allegiance of every person of good will. There are particular issues or grievances the redress of which should claim the attention of all interested persons. But the Irish Republic? What is that?<br /><br />I would add a lesson to those above, and I would put it foremost.<br /><br />Have some kind of clearly defined cause worth killing and possibly dying to defend.Chiu ChunLinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03519192610708043962noreply@blogger.com