tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7575061201749703300.post5602913439048755760..comments2024-02-28T20:56:23.768-06:00Comments on Sipsey Street Irregulars: Standoff near North Adams MI with Hutaree holdouts.Dutchman6http://www.blogger.com/profile/09935420042995679958noreply@blogger.comBlogger53125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7575061201749703300.post-29816255474542956392010-03-30T18:46:49.594-05:002010-03-30T18:46:49.594-05:00One more thing:
I spent several hours today VER...One more thing: <br /><br />I spent several hours today VERY slightly expanding my post here, fleshing it out witha BUNCH more documentary links, and <a href="http://dumbolddad.blogspot.com/2010/03/please-dont-start-civil-war-please.html" rel="nofollow">posting it to my blog.</a><br /><br />Input - as always - earnestly sought!!<br /><br />DDDedicated_Dadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06375339835638311982noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7575061201749703300.post-33667966741672278002010-03-30T18:09:15.891-05:002010-03-30T18:09:15.891-05:00http://online.wsj.com/article/SB100014240527023047...http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304739104575154041322442962.html?mod=WSJ_hpp_MIDDLETopStories<br /><br />WSJ is now carrying the story of the 'undercover FBI' agent...For What It's Worth...noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7575061201749703300.post-62914878761804484392010-03-30T09:34:28.103-05:002010-03-30T09:34:28.103-05:00Sorry I botched the one link - still, not bad cons...Sorry I botched the one link - still, not bad considering there's no "preview" window, right? ;o )<br /><br />As to the botched link, it takes you directly to the beginning of the segment I was talking about, which is in <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ho9_QcTH7E#at=425" rel="nofollow">part 2</a> of the longer vid. All you need to do is follow the "related" link to <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=On36mB9egR4" rel="nofollow">part 3</a> to see the rest of the segment.<br /><br />DDDedicated_Dadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06375339835638311982noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7575061201749703300.post-58305976625805955402010-03-30T07:10:31.706-05:002010-03-30T07:10:31.706-05:00"THEY CAME FIRST for the Communists,
and I di..."THEY CAME FIRST for the Communists,<br />and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist.<br /><br />THEN THEY CAME for the Jews,<br />and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew.<br /><br />THEN THEY CAME for the trade unionists,<br />and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist.<br /><br />THEN THEY CAME for the Catholics,<br />and I didn’t speak up because I was a Protestant.<br /><br />THEN THEY CAME for me<br />and by that time no one was left to speak up."<br /><br />Pastor Martin Niemöller (1892–1984)BattleBullnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7575061201749703300.post-29792011260663408512010-03-30T05:39:16.860-05:002010-03-30T05:39:16.860-05:00This is all anyone's talking about in my neck ...This is all anyone's talking about in my neck of the woods, internet and radio. The media doesn't know whether to condemn the Hutaree as primarily Christian or primarily militia, so it's trying to do both at once. The fact it's lumping us all together is no accident. <br /><br />I'm no expert, but from what I've read it seems the Hutaree are an apocalyptic religious cult that happens to be armed rather than a proper militia. Do they self-identify as militia?Witchwoodnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7575061201749703300.post-20426932803361341712010-03-30T03:59:32.770-05:002010-03-30T03:59:32.770-05:00"Report from a commander in Michigan I respec..."Report from a commander in Michigan I respect: Looks like the Hutaree had a fed embedded with them for at least a year and a half."<br /><br />That right there is why you play by the rules when playing with others.<br /><br />Let them do something stupid first. It's only polite.<br /><br />Is it Aikido that teaches that it is the attacker that is out of balance with nature?Happy Dnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7575061201749703300.post-50017336142028973872010-03-30T01:48:00.746-05:002010-03-30T01:48:00.746-05:00Oh Hell yes, it could be another Waco, Steve.
Ei...Oh Hell yes, it could be another Waco, Steve. <br /><br />Either you know little of what happened at Waco or you are on the immoral side of the issue. Waco happened because the Feds lied, a lot. About everything.<br /><br />Waco and Ruby Ridge killed any faith I may have had in them. My default position is the Feds lied.straightarrownoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7575061201749703300.post-35370087128767547022010-03-30T00:54:50.110-05:002010-03-30T00:54:50.110-05:00Per DDad's links:
# Taxpayers who rank in t...Per DDad's links:<br /><br /><i><br /><br /># Taxpayers who rank in the top 50 percent of taxpayers by income pay virtually all individual income taxes. In all years since 1990, taxpayers in this group have paid over 94 percent of all individual income taxes. In 2000, 2001, and 2002, this group paid over 96 percent of the total.<br /><br />Treasury Department analysts credit President Bush's tax cuts with shifting a larger share of the individual income taxes paid to higher income taxpayers. In 2005, says the Treasury, when most of the tax cut provisions are fully in effect (e.g., lower tax rates, the $1,000 child credit, marriage penalty relief), the projected tax share for lower-income taxpayers will fall, while the tax share for higher-income taxpayers will rise.<br /><br /># The share of taxes paid by the bottom 50 percent of taxpayers will fall from 4.1 percent to 3.6 percent.<br /></i><br /><br />There are a lot of Obummer voters in those numbers, and socio-economic ruination is minting more every day.<br /><br />The recipe seems almost foolproof: kill the economy, pass amnesty, have 70-80% lining up for govt cheese and voting for handouts, have FDA assault teams destroy "unauthorized" crops and animals, institute a bread-for-guns program, wrap the whole enchilada in razor wire and call it a day.<br /><br />-S<br />IIIAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7575061201749703300.post-59123963720725764422010-03-30T00:42:07.124-05:002010-03-30T00:42:07.124-05:00I mean this in the most sincere way, just a simple...I mean this in the most sincere way, just a simple question I think needs some sort of answer. <br /><br />Suppose they do another Waco or start rounding up people more mentally stable than Hutaree, you said no more free Wacos, so what price, exactly, will be charged? What I mean is, what's the next move?<br /><br />I don't mean this in any insulting way, it's an honest question. Mike, if you have time I'd like to see a post answering this very important question.348noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7575061201749703300.post-22907395911992197122010-03-30T00:21:25.021-05:002010-03-30T00:21:25.021-05:00Personally, assuming this is all true about this s...Personally, assuming this is all true about this supposedly fruit cake "militia" and the feds do it by the "book" ... I don't have a problem with it.<br /><br />Unfortunately though, this is a great propaganda coup for the feds and the media...<br /><br />Which means ... we are all a bunch of religious end of the world militia whack jobs.<br /><br />This is no Waco. Not even Koresh was as far out as these people.<br /><br />But it certainly will be capitalized on.<br /><br />Which means ... we need to keep our hearts ... pure.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7575061201749703300.post-20602944891517584712010-03-30T00:03:34.450-05:002010-03-30T00:03:34.450-05:00Continued...
Now, let's think...
Violent thu...Continued...<br /><br />Now, let's think...<br /><br /><a href="http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=54162036" rel="nofollow">Violent thugs who enforce the diktats of the tyrants with zero penalties for their crimes?</a> Check!<br /><br />I could go on for days - taxation without representation, edicts and laws made and enforced against the plainly evidenced will of the people? CHECK!<br /><br /><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akwjAjcQnqM" rel="nofollow">Weapons made for foreign battlefields (microwave weapons, "sound cannons" that literally make people's ears bleed and can even cause DEATH - being used to deny peaceful citizens their right to assemble and petition for redress of grievances?</a> CHECK!<br /><br /><a href="http://www.google.com/#hl=en&safe=off&q=police+raid+gone+wrong" rel="nofollow">Think you're safe in your home?</a> WRONG!<br /><br /><a href="http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-texas-profiling_wittmar10,0,6051682.story" rel="nofollow">Think you can move about freely without harassment, without uniformed thugs stealing your property without charge or trial?</a> WRONG!<br /><br /><a href="http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=police+brutality+taser+&search_type=&aq=f" rel="nofollow">Think you can speak your mind, or even just go about your business, without being tortured - even potentially tortured to death - for nothing more than causing offense to some uniformed thug?</a> Think there will at least be some meaningful penalty to said thug? WRONG! ...and... WRONG!<br /><br />If you think you've seen it all, and don't want to sit through the first vid I linked, just PLEASE watch this one short segment... It's split at the end of one and the beginning of another - <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ho9_QcTH7E#at=425" rel="nofollow"> and href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=On36mB9egR4">part 2 is here</a>. PLEASE watch this, and bear in mind that neither of these guys was disciplined in *ANY* way - they were found to have violated no law or policy, and to have acted in accordance with training.<br /><br />Don't even get me started about the excessive and onerous taxation = the propaganda bureaus lie (go figure) about "making the rich pay their fair share" or "tax cuts for the rich" - <a href="http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/incometaxandtheirs/a/whopaysmost.htm" rel="nofollow">the truth is truly sickening</a>...<br /><br />If you knew the truth about who caused the current economic collapse (hint: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lr1M1T2Y314" rel="nofollow">The VERY SAME FOLK who now pontificate about greedy wall-street bankers</a>") you'd be as angry as everyone ELSE who does!<br /><br />Any idea who tried to STOP the coming collapse - and were shouted down by the very same people? <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MGT_cSi7Rs" rel="nofollow">The answer is here.</a> The Retardlicans - AKA "The STUPID branch of The Government Party" - are bad enough, but the EVIL branch is INFINITELY worse. While they stand and scream about "greedy bankers" <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wVQ3_ZaYB4" rel="nofollow">they're literally selling them total control of our Government.</a><br /><br />Then there's the "Federal Reserve" - which is no more Federal than Federal Express. The Fed - a private, FOR-PROFIT entity exempt from ALL .gov control, issues all our money. In the GB vid just linked he references "the discount window" - G-S and others borrow *OUR* $ at 0% then loan it to the .gov at 10%, again paid with *OUR* $, straight into the pockets of G-S and other "banksters."<br /><br />See also "<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VebOTc-7shU" rel="nofollow">fall of the republic (though some disinfo is included)</a>" and "<a href="http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1656880303867390173#" rel="nofollow">America: Freedom to Fascism</a>"<br /><br />If you're not simply SEETHING with anger, you're not paying attention!!Dedicated_Dadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06375339835638311982noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7575061201749703300.post-66086512906134853012010-03-30T00:03:34.449-05:002010-03-30T00:03:34.449-05:00Dear "Peace-loving American Citizen":
F...Dear "Peace-loving American Citizen":<br /><br />First, if you believe we aren't also "Peace-loving American Citizens" then you've bought the propaganda spread by the Government Owned Media (all of 'em). Here's a hint for you: You know they're lying whenever they claim to be delivering non-fiction "news." It really is that bad.<br /><br />Second, if you'd read *ANYTHING* on this site - any of the side-bar info on the main page, for example - you'd know that we (by which I mean this leaderless gathering - not "group" - of rugged individuals) will **NEVER** start it. <br /><br />We DO however - most of us anyway - agree that the question is WHEN (not "if") and HOW TPTB will start it.<br /><br />Further, when TPTB finally DO start it, we plan to FINISH it - to WIN it - to RESTORE our Republic to its former glory. WHEN it comes, it will NOT be a "revolution" - it will be a fight for RESTORATION of our Republic as defined in our Constitution.<br /><br />Turn off the TV - it's full of nothing but propaganda. Some is subtle (like how all Fathers on every show are morons, and the only one with ANY real sense is the homosexual) and some is absolutely overt (see any "news" program).<br /><br />Ignore the radio and newspapers as well - get your news online from the "independent" and foreign media, so you'll at least be within spitting-distance of truth.<br /><br />READ the Declaration of Independence, the Articles of Confederation, the Federalist papers/debates of the Constitutional Convention and the Constitution.<br /><br />Be sure to have a GOOD dictionary on hand - one that will help you understand what some of those words (such as "regulate") meant to those who wrote them - as the most important definitions have changed considerably in ~234 years.<br /><br />This may sound like a tall order, but could easily be accomplished by limiting yourself to one hour of the one-eyed beast (AKA "TV") per day and investing the balance of your time in said study.<br /><br />Here's an important quote <a href="http://www.earlyamerica.com/earlyamerica/freedom/doi/text.html" rel="nofollow">from the Declaration of Independence</a> - that sacred document whose anniversary we celebrate with government-controlled fireworks, BBQ and drunkenness every summer:<br /><br />"...<i>We hold these truths to be self-evident:<br />- that all men are created equal, - that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, <br />- that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. <br />- That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, <b>deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. <br />- That whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government</b>, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness. <br /><br />Prudence, indeed, will dictate that governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shown that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. <br /><br />But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, <b>it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security</b>..."</i>Dedicated_Dadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06375339835638311982noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7575061201749703300.post-69340366720591286632010-03-30T00:01:45.619-05:002010-03-30T00:01:45.619-05:00So we've seen raids in MI, IN, and OH with one...So we've seen raids in MI, IN, and OH with one arrest in IL (according to one report). These are related despite being in several states. Ok, but if the raid in LA on the opposite side of the country is confirmed then we can honestly say they have targeted militia in 10% of the states, all in a matter of a couple of days. That gives one cause of extreme concern, as if we're not already on edge. <br /><br />If another beyond LA is in the works we'll soon know, but at that point I'd be willing to say the Feds have made war against the militias. Logic would tell us they are starting with the most extreme of the bunch first and working their way to calmer waters. If, and only if my suspicions prove true, how soon until they arrive at Mike's door, your neighbors, or even yours? <br />We don't know what they are thinking, doing, or going so be prepared, ready to go within 60 seconds.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7575061201749703300.post-79889330729987355082010-03-30T00:00:07.451-05:002010-03-30T00:00:07.451-05:00Yeah. Ask the guy's ex wife. That's real...Yeah. Ask the guy's ex wife. That's real unbiased.<br /><br />Justin<br />IIIJustinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7575061201749703300.post-82763859699148630962010-03-29T23:56:32.687-05:002010-03-29T23:56:32.687-05:00what if KGB wants the Civil War to start here agai...what if KGB wants the Civil War to start here again and takes you out Mike or some other cell/leader/commander?<br /><br />Have you at least considered such a possibility?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7575061201749703300.post-13974331457900492872010-03-29T23:56:32.688-05:002010-03-29T23:56:32.688-05:00The feds didn't seem to have any problem with ...The feds didn't seem to have any problem with collateral damage at Waco or Ruby Ridge. They use violence without conscience or remorse to enforce whatever edicts they desire.<br /><br />They can pin a "crime" on any citizen at any time, because the "laws" are so numerous and vague.<br /><br />They have a willing media who will parrot anything they manage to put in an indictment or press release as if they are words handed down from God himself.<br /><br />The penalties are so severe, the costs so great, and the chances of a positive outcome in federal kangaroo court are so slim, that most plead guilty and the feds' lies never see the light of day. Just another bullet on some AUSA's resume.<br /><br />It's like dealing with terrorists who intend to blow themselves up when attacking you. When you're dealing with a criminal enterprise that has absolutely no hesitation to use violence, a pacifist ROE will only get you killed.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7575061201749703300.post-56591425895247364932010-03-29T23:28:48.181-05:002010-03-29T23:28:48.181-05:00I would be extremely ill-disposed towards anyone w...I would be extremely ill-disposed towards anyone who thought that indiscriminate slaughter was the way to go.<br /><br />It's one thing to abide by Clinton's 'Waco Rules', but if you decide you want to use 'Bin Laden's Rules', then you will have a problem.Toastridernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7575061201749703300.post-14580851679989881792010-03-29T23:06:09.259-05:002010-03-29T23:06:09.259-05:00"Report from a commander in Michigan I respec..."Report from a commander in Michigan I respect: Looks like the Hutaree had a fed embedded with them for at least a year and a half."<br /><br />Well, geeee, isn't that just peachy. Sounds like they had some serious housekeeping issues.<br /><br />On another note: If they WERE planning to strike at law enforcement first, their sorry butts need to go away. LEOs tend to be the center of a lot of controversy, but they're not entitled to run out there and molest the law. Things are not at that point, and some of those they are reported to want to kill (mourners, attending the funeral of the first LEO they were planning to kill - allegedly) would be absolutely innocent.<br /><br />I can't stand for that. Some cop's kid gets diced by a pipe bomb meant to do wide area damage.... that's just plain wrong on SOOOooo many levels.III more than themnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7575061201749703300.post-46987710761457119412010-03-29T22:52:55.247-05:002010-03-29T22:52:55.247-05:00Whether or not anyone wants to admit it, even thou...Whether or not anyone wants to admit it, even though these raids were conducted against Hutaree who "if" there is any truth to this indictment were acting against the best interests of the collective Constitutional Militias in America, and, not to mention the tactical ignorance of such a plan, "the FEDS have just attacked all Militias and other organizations of resistance" in this country. This is a fact! This attack is already effective and could be devastating if not properly handled by the resistance. Are we all talk? Happy passover.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7575061201749703300.post-69655599952174413542010-03-29T22:50:56.623-05:002010-03-29T22:50:56.623-05:00March 29, 2010 5:15 PM
Blogger Steve said...
...March 29, 2010 5:15 PM<br />Blogger Steve said...<br /><br /> I'm not sure if I understand where you're coming from. If the media reports are correct (which is a huge question) about the Hutaree planning to murder police officers in an effort to spark an uprising, then they are not patriots and are criminals. This could not be another Waco.<br /><br /> March 29, 2010 5:16 PM<br /><br />Steve, the Operative word Sir is "IF".<br /><br />Other than that I agree but IF is the question to be answered.<br /><br />Chris<br />IIIAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7575061201749703300.post-75199970490220838382010-03-29T22:50:56.622-05:002010-03-29T22:50:56.622-05:00And just how much of this did the undercover fed i...And just how much of this did the undercover fed instigate???Joenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7575061201749703300.post-29377051093453988482010-03-29T22:42:23.947-05:002010-03-29T22:42:23.947-05:00STEVE -
As you said, the media can hardly be trust...STEVE -<br />As you said, the media can hardly be trusted, being the Pravda of the Obamanation. The similarity to Waco is simple. They selected a small group of people, out of the mainstream, people with no support base among the populace, and accuse them of planning to do something. No one believes anything the cops / feds / "Only Ones" say. We all know that many of the proposed acts of violence are initiated by agents provocateur and moles. And we DO know how much they all enjoy being the Avenging Ninja SpecOps Macho Warrior types, like the ones who took down that notorious 4 year old terrorist, Elian Gonzales, on Easter Sunday under the Clintonista regime. Bravely facing down feisty anti-Castro grandmothers, unarmed women and an unarmed man, they boldly went in, and armed ONLY with their body armor, MP5s, ninja outfits, grenades, bolt cutters and jackboots, brought that fugitive child to justice, by God, sending him back to Castro and the communist tyranny of Cuba.<br />So now - now the Hutaree. Next time - who? <br />Are YOU a suspicious character?<br />Are you a person whom Janet Incompetano believes to be a danger, id est, do you read a Bible or support home schoolers, or the Second Amendment? Do you have or display a copy of the verboten text of subversive elements, called "The Constitution"? If so - stay on your toes.Erkle Holdernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7575061201749703300.post-30972249853555630712010-03-29T22:25:23.777-05:002010-03-29T22:25:23.777-05:00Peace-Loving... "we" ain't the ones ...Peace-Loving... "we" ain't the ones starting it.<br />Steve- I don't think you understand what "not another Waco" means...<br />Wally- good idea. Why don'tcha gofer it? LOL.<br />Scanner's too damn quiet up here- something's not kosher, for sure. If I go by the "norm" for the last two months, there should be books of chatter going on yesterday and today. But no, just a few driver ID checks... <br />Shy IIIShy Wolfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12708293970831678927noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7575061201749703300.post-68142906716538342132010-03-29T22:19:36.304-05:002010-03-29T22:19:36.304-05:00"Seditious conspiracy"?
I thought the A..."Seditious conspiracy"?<br /><br />I thought the Alien and Sedition Acts had been repealed.<br /><br />206 years ago.rexxheadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12578166996312186309noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7575061201749703300.post-85813187894903643832010-03-29T22:10:48.731-05:002010-03-29T22:10:48.731-05:00The arrests have dealt "a severe blow to a da...The arrests have dealt "a severe blow to a dangerous organization that today stands accused of conspiring to levy war against the United States," Attorney General Eric Holder said.<br /><br />Yet, dozens of Islamic military style training centers continue to operate within our borders with impunity. <br /><br />Ya, that makes sense.....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com