tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7575061201749703300.post5055396202709665449..comments2024-02-28T20:56:23.768-06:00Comments on Sipsey Street Irregulars: Is there a constitutional dog in this fight?Dutchman6http://www.blogger.com/profile/09935420042995679958noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7575061201749703300.post-49847345019766715532009-10-30T10:18:46.040-05:002009-10-30T10:18:46.040-05:00If I substitute Sipsey Street into this "news...If I substitute Sipsey Street into this "news" report, it reads like something I would expect to find in the paper. The government tells you that employment is up, national debt is irrelevant, and the Federal Reserve smooths out bumps in the economy. Why would you believe the government when they say person Y is a terrorist?<br /><br />"Don't believe them, don't fear them, don't ask anything of them"<br>-- Solzhenitsyn<br /><br />"<i>I can promise you that if this guy was a true believer of <b>X</b> that he had it in for everybody that wasn't a true believer. They wanted to create an <b>X</b> state within the US borders with Y as the leader.<br /><br />I far as the freedom of religion argument goes, I think you draw a line with a violent, anti-constitutionalist, anti-freedom religion aka <b>X</b>. <b>X</b> is more of a political system than a religion anyway. The case could probably be made to outlaw it in the US since its whole being is seditious in its practice.</i>"<br /><br />The comment reads fine if I substitute <b>X</b> with: Islamic Sharia, Big Federal Government, the Mafia, Christian Identity, Radical Green Econut, or any other kind of fundamentalism.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7575061201749703300.post-85570826238060831912009-10-30T08:33:19.014-05:002009-10-30T08:33:19.014-05:00It might have been worth being there for the after...It might have been worth being there for the aftermath to help this guy:<br /><br /><br />http://carlosmiller.com/2009/10/30/photojournalist-attacked-outside-michigan-mosque/Chris K.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7575061201749703300.post-48992832372248895452009-10-30T02:07:51.142-05:002009-10-30T02:07:51.142-05:00I don't have the story in front of me now, but...I don't have the story in front of me now, but I recall several mentions of stolen property. Also that it was a two year investigation that led to the raids.<br />I think the references to weapons and ideology is added more to paint future opponents (i.e. us). All the easier to demonize us later, by the association.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7575061201749703300.post-73669338098425725632009-10-29T23:33:03.566-05:002009-10-29T23:33:03.566-05:00First they came for the books... but I don't r...First they came for the books... but I don't read.<br />Then they came for the writers... but I don't write.<br />Then they came for the Jews...<br />but I'm not a Jew...<br />We all know the story. It's "us against them" and "they" are the enemy. Still, I find it hard to reconcile that the enemy of my enemy is my friend when that friend wants to kill me as well. Yet these people are Americans under attack regardless their religious affiliation. My duty is to them and the Constitution, their rights under it, not to the dotfedgov attacking them. So it's between a rock and a hard place. Dammit, Mike! you make things so complicated at times. <br />No wonder we love ya.<br />Shy IIIShy Wolfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12708293970831678927noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7575061201749703300.post-14313268490222657572009-10-29T19:49:56.205-05:002009-10-29T19:49:56.205-05:00i'll put it this way: even if this guy were se...i'll put it this way: even if this guy were serious about being a threat, i wouldn't consider him a serious threat. i wouldn't consider 10,000 of his sort a serious threat. aren't the street and prison gangs we <i>already</i> have that big, or bigger? and they're only "successful" because they exist to make money, one way or another.jonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02615104086703717817noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7575061201749703300.post-34310760378289663702009-10-29T19:04:43.546-05:002009-10-29T19:04:43.546-05:00What's odd to me about this whole thing is tha...What's odd to me about this whole thing is that there's been barely any uproar about it.<br /><br />A muslim radical is shot dead by federal agents, and a FBI dog is also killed in the shootout.<br /><br />Under Bush, 24-7 coverage, with press conferences. Under Obama, a quiet, low-key, low-detail story, almost in passing.<br /><br />One thing that's amusing, though, is the reaction of the followers to the reporter taking pictures at the scene.<br /><br />A smart group would be engaging the reporter, giving him their side of the story. And the reporter, eager for said story, would happily work that angle.<br /><br />That behavior, right there, makes me far less sympathetic to their plight. They are thugs, using religion as an excuse for thuggery.<br /><br />Just like the fictional imam in the John Ringo story, who gets his just desserts in the end.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7575061201749703300.post-79578016971730431542009-10-29T18:51:48.879-05:002009-10-29T18:51:48.879-05:00Maybe there's a little Oath Keeper in all of t...Maybe there's a little Oath Keeper in all of them?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7575061201749703300.post-28466435637559037002009-10-29T16:55:39.897-05:002009-10-29T16:55:39.897-05:00I concur. The ability to destroy, jam, or hijack t...I concur. The ability to destroy, jam, or hijack the enemies surveillance resources is important. But I am an analog kinda guy. So I leave the fancy hi-tech solutions to others. I am just thinking that it will be a major advantage that we should try and take away as much as possible.<br /><br /><br />GIIIAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7575061201749703300.post-37957069251861643172009-10-29T16:20:48.814-05:002009-10-29T16:20:48.814-05:00I can promise you that if this guy was a true beli...I can promise you that if this guy was a true believer of islam that he had it in for everybody that wasn't a true believer. They wanted to create an islamic state within the US borders w/the former H.Rapp Brown as the leader.<br /><br />I far as the freedom of religion argument goes, I think you draw a line w/a violent, anti-constitutionalist, anti-freedom religion aka islam. islam is more of a political system than a religion anyway. The case could probably be made to outlaw it in the US since its whole being is seditious in its practice.SamenoKamihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02520614271345413014noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7575061201749703300.post-58995238854357559122009-10-29T15:37:29.134-05:002009-10-29T15:37:29.134-05:00I don't think there is a constitutional dog in...I don't think there is a constitutional dog in this fight, given that the people involved (gosh, on both sides!) would see the Constitution buried and legitimized tyranny (albeit of differing flavor) erected in its place.<br /><br />The greater the mutual destruction between these two enemies of ours, the better, IMHO.<br /><br />Lastly, if the FBI can beat their chest at having taken out this group, that's one less line item they can use to justify a bigger budget. "Mission accomplished" with existing resources. (Not that they won't get whatever they request anyway, but...)<br /><br />As a frequent "boiled frog argument" commenter on this fantastic blog, believing as I do in the remarkable apathy, passivity, and cluelessness of the American public (inculcated since the 60s), I've raised the question of what's going to happen if the government keeps a tight lid on domestic paramilitary operations and sticks to economic rape solely.<br /><br />Of late, in my daily attempts to intuit the trends in this nation and the world at large, I am tending to the point of view that conflagration is inevitable.<br /><br />The domestic economic picture and the dynamics of oil production / delivery, I believe, are due to deteriorate within the next year or two to the point that the feds will be under acute pressure to whip up threat hysteria as justification for domestic control and foreign energy adventures.<br /><br />But would a conflagration at home have sufficient critical mass to spread and wash away the federal scum, or would it come late enough in the day that federal/mercenary forces will be so numerous and so well pre-positioned that we'll see disjoint fires that are overwhelmed and extinguished?<br /><br />While we are cautiously avoiding Ft. Sumter, will the feds strike at their ideological opponents in sequence, perhaps following specific false flag events?<br /><br />We cannot allow ourselves to be destroyed singly, or to wait so long that there's a camera/microphone on every street corner lamp post, 24/7 drone coverage over the whole country, and sufficient number of shock troops on standby that would make patriot life very dangerous indeed.<br /><br />So, while I personally cannot stomach defending islamo-fascists, nor to give feds rhetorical ammunition to link constitutionalists with them by association, I worry that rigidly waiting until next Waco may be a losing proposition in the end.<br /><br />In the immediate future, I think it is wise to work on subversive or liberating, depending on your colors, technology for the masses. Mike's book(s) are superlative examples of the above. Secure/resilient/multimodal telecommunications technology would be very useful. There's no short supply of libertarians who are adept with digital technology, and it is high time to put that to serious use. I think that universal high tech surveillance is to be a major component of the usurpers' strategy, and I believe we need to work very seriously at minimizing the lethal effects thereof.<br /><br />-S<br />III, OKAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7575061201749703300.post-61085575540289154842009-10-29T13:31:42.963-05:002009-10-29T13:31:42.963-05:00Greetings from Wyoming,
being one that is not be...Greetings from Wyoming,<br /> being one that is not beholden to radical Islam, for my own reasons, i read this , with some reservations, there is indeed a constitutional dog in this fight in my views , that of freedom of religion , like it or not , freedom of speech, like it or not , and the right to bear arms , remember arms are not confined to just fire arms. the question that was first posed was , should we come to the aide of those that we are diometrically opposed to ideoically, because an attack on one is really an attack on all, be they be for good or bad.<br /> All i can say for myself , is , if the individuals are acting within the law , have broken no laws , which if you believe the fibbers, is not the case here, then yes. the islamics rights , constitutional rights were trampled, we are now in gray areas since they supposedly "broke " laws , is aide required? we have to wait and see what unfolds as to those supposed charges of illegality, but on the face , they exercized their freedom of speech , religion , and right to bear arms, as an oathkeeper , i have to stand on that, not that i agree with what they say , but they have a right to say it under our Constitution as to coming to their aid, nothing says i have to rush right over and fight the fivbbers , but i can decry the use of force on those that were exercizing their rights , as to the supposed illegal activities that brought on the raid , does illegal activity , negate , the other rights ? its a fine line because if thats the case , no one is safe from anyone really , and since there are only alligations so far , and no conviction , the innocent , until proven guilty still applied in our systems of law , no matter what the persons backgrounds may be, so please readers , do not take this as a defense of islam , but a defense of what the Constitution says , some times , to defend it , you have to include things you dont agree with , or like , simply because if you take any rights from one , you take them from all.i leave this for your contermplation , and wishing all well.<br /><br />AlphaWolf<br />IIIAlphaWolfnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7575061201749703300.post-72067665504012635372009-10-29T13:19:57.615-05:002009-10-29T13:19:57.615-05:00I saw an earlier edition that didn't mention D...I saw an earlier edition that didn't mention Dead Guy firing a weapon, and so it really stood out that they would shoot the leader and then take the followers into custody.<br /><br />And I, too, have been wrestling with the problem of 'allies' who might be also against Gummint overreach but who otherwise I would want nothing to do with. Thanks for pointing out the difference between "rescue" and "avenge". :)thedweezenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7575061201749703300.post-83021155718788239622009-10-29T10:45:40.408-05:002009-10-29T10:45:40.408-05:00He regularly preaches anti-government and anti-law...He regularly preaches anti-government and anti-law enforcement rhetoric....<br /><br />I see how they are going to lump us all together....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7575061201749703300.post-13748670078240805022009-10-29T09:28:06.931-05:002009-10-29T09:28:06.931-05:00For the moment, it sonds like Sharia "law&quo...For the moment, it sonds like Sharia "law" (rule of man) vs Fibbies. Leave this sleeping dog lie - for the moment, anyway. Until you have further proof to the contrary.<br />And proof (truth) will always come out.<br /><br />B Woodman<br />III-perAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7575061201749703300.post-9671307798289914742009-10-29T08:55:34.181-05:002009-10-29T08:55:34.181-05:00Seeing as the radical Islamists have said they wan...Seeing as the radical Islamists have said they want to kill us (ordinary, everyday Americans), I would side with the FBI on this one. Those Islamists are exactly the types of guys the Feds SHOULD be going after!<br /><br />But instead, you find the Fed types going after honest, law-abiding gun owners such as you and me.<br /><br />chicopantherAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7575061201749703300.post-66587788003983282092009-10-29T08:43:28.247-05:002009-10-29T08:43:28.247-05:00That libel will be applied to all of us soon enoug...That libel will be applied to all of us soon enough. Imagine what they would have said had Montana decided that it wanted out like they suggested before Heller.<br />I think in this instance is best to sit back, let the chips fall where they may and take copious notes.Chris K.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7575061201749703300.post-35409497955759748232009-10-29T07:10:31.062-05:002009-10-29T07:10:31.062-05:00The interesting part of the story is that a Fibbie...The interesting part of the story is that a Fibbie Dog was killed instead of the Citizen Dog, as is usually the case..<br /><br />Ok, there may be more salient points, but that one struck me.MPA dragonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17745282032966439728noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7575061201749703300.post-38116895877162373122009-10-29T06:52:51.513-05:002009-10-29T06:52:51.513-05:00".. they routinely lie like dogs when it suit...".. they routinely lie like dogs when it suits their purpose (a phrase which I always thought was a vicious slander on dogs for they are among God's most honest creatures)."<br /><br />ahh... gosh mike, here i always sorta thought it was about them doggies snoozing all the time, generally right where you want to walk. we all know the pure little critters never ever tell lies, knock over your beer, steal food, piss on the wife's petunias, dig up your garden, chew up your boots, or any thang like that... but i have to agree comparing fbi dupes to dogs in any way is an insult to our dear friends, maybe you can just use the other iteration of that saying: '... lies like a rug' to keep thangs pure from now on. maybe we should also change other sayings like: 'lie down with feds and get fleas... or get buggered is probably more like it, especially with this admin...<br /><br />bacsiAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7575061201749703300.post-90199018666745515822009-10-29T06:50:46.722-05:002009-10-29T06:50:46.722-05:00I, too, as a resident of SE Michigan would like mo...I, too, as a resident of SE Michigan would like more facts on this, especially as Dearborn is home to the largest Arab population outside of the Mideast in the USA. However, there are some things that strike me as odd....<br /><br /><b>Cross jurisdictional issues:</b><br /><br />1 - As much as they screw things up, why didn't the BATFE arrest this man if there were illegal weapons possession and sales charges? Isn't that BATFE's mission?<br /><br />2 - He 'fired a weapon' and was killed.<br /><br />Where? Into the ground, the air, at an agent? Certainly grounds for arrest on local ordinances against discharging weapons in city limits, but without aiming it at an agent, certainly not justification for killing a suspect.<br /><br /><b>First Amendment issues:</b> "Regularly preaches anti-government and anti-law enforcement rhetoric..."<br /><br />So does half the law abiding citizenry in the US.<br /><br />"This group is very much American born and bred."<br /><br />Ok, then also under the first Amendment, they have Freedom of Association/Assembly. <br /><br /><b>Second Amendment issues:</b> "Abdullah preaches every Muslim should have a weapon and should not be scared to use it when needed."<br /><br />What other purpose does the Second Amendment have than to ensure the citizenry is armed and not afraid to use their weapons when needed?<br /><br />So, a lot more facts need to be provided on this one...<br /><br />As it stands, I see the standard 'demonization' of anyone up against the feds in play here...but I could be just paranoid.RWE-IIInoreply@blogger.com