tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7575061201749703300.post4343053769254087731..comments2024-02-28T20:56:23.768-06:00Comments on Sipsey Street Irregulars: Sipsey Street Exclusive: "In at the beginning." The State Department & the Gunwalker Scandal. Part 2. The 90% Myth. "I have not backed off" an AWB.Dutchman6http://www.blogger.com/profile/09935420042995679958noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7575061201749703300.post-72826358142240299772011-10-09T17:55:55.401-05:002011-10-09T17:55:55.401-05:00“Yet, WHY was this game of statistics so important...“Yet, WHY was this game of statistics so important to the players?”<br /><br />Why?<br /><br />Because it's a verifiable fact – it's hard evidence and not biased perception. The fundamental principle of the scientific method is that all inquiry and decisions “must be based on gathering empirical and measurable evidence subject to specific principles of reasoning.” And the Twentieth Century Progressive Movement, which is still the intellectual foundation of the modern Democratic Party, is based upon the use of scientific principles (and data from social scientists) by centralized experts who will make major societal decision without the corrupting and political influence of elected officials.<br /><br />This basic premise of Progressivism is implicitly accepted by virtually all government officials of both parties and by the press. Before any public policy issue can be discussed, impartial facts must first be established. These facts are paramount. They are above everything else – existing laws, the Constitution, beliefs, or opinions.<br /><br />If most of the firearms used by Mexican drug trafficking organizations come from U.S. border state retail dealers (or guns shows), then there is a problem that must be addressed. The actual percentage is also important to specific tactics, but not to the strategy.<br /><br />The Obama Administration believes that these are the facts. So does the press. Very little objective research has been conducted or publicized to refute these facts. News reports by FOX News (or MSNBC or CBS) are not objective research. And the NPR story that you quoted supports these facts, too, even though it may question whether or not the figure is as high as 90%.<br /><br />Progressives, Democrats, Academics and the Press argue facts. So do Libertarians. Conservatives argue values and principles. In today's modern world, facts rule. When the facts are on your side, tactics rarely matter. The ends will almost always justify the means.<br /><br />Until Conservative understand this, they will loose, too.Glenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11304089773635357420noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7575061201749703300.post-29073142940472045302011-10-08T05:36:37.056-05:002011-10-08T05:36:37.056-05:00What would Mexico gain from this?
MONEY
Didn'...What would Mexico gain from this?<br /><br />MONEY<br /><br />Didn't I read somewhere that they have hired attorneys to sue the American gun manufacturers?<br /><br />Perhaps this is another Pigford.<br /><br />Mexico has a class-action lawsuit against America. A Mexican can file a claim because they had a family member that was killed by one of those guns. <br /><br />In Pigford, all you had to do is fill out a paper stating that you were a black farmer that was discriminated against. (farmer is a loose term, a potted plant sufficed) You were given $50,000 by our government.<br /><br />Think what $50,000 would mean for a Mexican citizen/the Mexican economy.<br /><br />There's only one problem. People died as a result. There's no excuse. People need to go to jail for this.Rickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16171735560715511672noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7575061201749703300.post-46894042097152548512011-10-07T13:00:57.813-05:002011-10-07T13:00:57.813-05:00One important number from the chain of statistics ...One important number from the chain of statistics cited that has never been revealed (Surprise, surprise! -- G. Pyle USMC) is the number of guns seized in Mexico with a provable origin in the USA that got to Mexico through direct transfer from the US government to agencies of the Mexican government.<br /><br />By withholding that important fact, both governments, their spokesmen, and the media on both sides of the border are steering people to believe all guns of US origin in Mexico came from American gun shops. Nothing could be further from the truth.<br /><br />As one example: it is widely reported how one drug cartel, "Los Zetas", were originally Mexican Army special forces operators who decided to moonlight as security to the other cartels then became a cartel in their own right. Are we for one minute to believe the did not take their US supplied, Mexican Army property, weapons with them when they did?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7575061201749703300.post-24144470985772387822011-10-07T10:46:54.954-05:002011-10-07T10:46:54.954-05:00TPaine raises a great questions: "What would...TPaine raises a great questions: "What would Mexico stand to gain from this?"<br /><br />The CIA has a history of smuggling drugs and this would be a great way to pay for them, all the while perpetuating the War On Drugs, which has proven to be a boon to the statists who want to control our lives. It is really a war on freedom and the Constitution.<br /><br />KPN3%Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7575061201749703300.post-70061004159451314852011-10-07T10:44:57.354-05:002011-10-07T10:44:57.354-05:00"Ruthless people without conscience..." ..."Ruthless people without conscience..." Hillary sure describes herself and bedmates very well. Nice interview from the head drug smuggler herself.<br />Now look at Afghanistan and the Golden Triangle. The .gov has been involved in drug smuggling and gun running for decades, nothing new here. They're finally getting caught and nobody wants to put the puzzle pieces together, it might ruin the image of this great nation. We are the biggest drug cartel in the world.Semper Fi, 0321noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7575061201749703300.post-67330309026806430712011-10-07T10:28:08.719-05:002011-10-07T10:28:08.719-05:00Of course we know statistics don't lie but lia...Of course we know statistics don't lie but liars use statistics. And has there ever in the whole wide world, down through these past 6,000 years ever been a greater accumulation of liars and deceivers assembled in one place than our very own District of Corruption? Saying one thing one place and another thing, just the opposite, another place either makes everyone happy or really mad.<br /><br />I direct attention to a terrific piece by Scott Stewart at STRATFOR regarding the 90% myth perpetuated by tyrants and anti-American foreign agents institutionalized in DC.<br /><a href="http://www.stratfor.com/weekly/20110209-mexicos-gun-supply-and-90-percent-myth" rel="nofollow">Mexico's Gun Supply and the 90 Percent Myth</a>. Or, if I messed ^ up, here: http://www.stratfor.com/weekly/20110209-mexicos-gun-supply-and-90-percent-myth<br /><br />Deceivers and liars are despicable despots and dedicatedly desire to disabuse US our 2nd Amendment or dispatch US should we resist. Better we grab the ballot box and put them back in academia where they can can only harm our children's thought processes and worldview!bondmenhttp://www.stratfor.com/weekly/20110209-mexicos-gun-supply-and-90-percent-mythnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7575061201749703300.post-16570935475973707102011-10-07T09:55:23.359-05:002011-10-07T09:55:23.359-05:00I used to help out in a little midwestern gun shop...I used to help out in a little midwestern gun shop back in the 70s. Every summer the local factories would shut down for two weeks for maintenance and worker vacations. In the months before the shut down we would get many guys of Mexican heritage in shopping for inexpensive used guns, especially handguns. They would drive down for a visit with family and pay for the trip by selling the guns in the home villages to folks who could not legally own them due to Mexico's draconian gun control laws. <br />It's always been my belief that most of the US sourced guns confiscated by the Mexicans are these type weapons, seized from citizens who only wanted to protect themselves, not from drug cartels. But blaming US weapons fits with the current administration's anti gun stance and aids the Mexican government in their role of victimization and blame avoidance.Uncle Larnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7575061201749703300.post-86096417842157700882011-10-07T09:15:16.647-05:002011-10-07T09:15:16.647-05:00We are getting educated - padding statistics is al...We are getting educated - padding statistics is always a loser. If guns were walked to Mexico under watchful eye of US govt, those responsible are law-breakers. Dennis Burke was a law-breaker who resigned but not charged yet. Lanny Breuer (Nr 3 in DOJ) sent weekly reports on gunflows to Mex from AZ. K OReilly in WH wanted to know about gunflows to Mex from Texas and asked Gunwalker Bill Newell for that chart. AUSA Hurley assured AZ gun dealers not to worry about sales of guns to people lying about personal use of multiple weapons purchased. DOJ allowed felons to buy guns that would go directly to Mexico where the cartels were spending "millions" on guns from US. Benefit? Pad statistics but lots of collateral damage. <br />Now we need to be educated about the civil war between the Zetas and the Sinaloa cartels - if we armed the Sinaloa to kill Zetas, whose brainchild was that felony stupid op? <br />On a side note, is DOJ mouthpiece Tracy Schmaler complicit in these crimes if she knows about them and does nothing but complain about news articles about them? She has to have read every memo - probably read about Brian Terry's death by Gunwalker guns before anyone in DC. Probably knew FBI was hiding a weapon from Terry's crime scene to protect an informant.rdf67https://www.blogger.com/profile/00838397205989384195noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7575061201749703300.post-22886313341904643552011-10-07T09:07:05.196-05:002011-10-07T09:07:05.196-05:00ALL of these things were, I assure you, considered...ALL of these things were, I assure you, considered at the very highest levels of government and then the tracks were drug to remove all evidence of passage.<br /><br />The implications of these policies with respect political blow-back are immense for the democratic party as well as Mr. Obama and company.<br /><br />What we have here is a very plain and unvarnished example, of willful TREASON.<br /><br />TREASON against the very principles and documents and people of the country. SUPPORTED by their judges.<br /><br />And people still think that this is not a plan, that somehow all of this just magically came to be, that it just magically happened without help. I'm more charitable than most and even I no longer believe that.<br /><br />This is a plan and the planners and implementors are traitors and have committed murder as a part of that plan. Just imagine a future wherein these people rule without any knowledge or consequences on the part of the citzen.<br /><br />Your life and your children's as a means to their ends...<br /><br />TREASON and MURDER, among other charges and we are only considering, dismissals? What does this tell us about our government? What does it tell us about their plans for us and our children?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7575061201749703300.post-4165938538874839822011-10-07T08:48:38.692-05:002011-10-07T08:48:38.692-05:00It almost seems to me that Mexico was on-board thi...It almost seems to me that Mexico was on-board this thing from the beginning. Seems like they KNEW where the guns were coming from, because they were so confident in the numbers.<br /><br />The 90% figure was being "proven" with F&F - what Holder needed was for Mexico to intercept these guns themselves and turn around and display them as "coming from U.S. gun stores on the border." And to do that, the minions at the bottom could not be told about the "walking guns"...it would be better if it happened naturally.<br /><br />The more I read about this, the worse it gets. What would Mexico get in return for shutting down gun ownership in the U.S.? Open borders? Free and easy drug trade?<br /><br />Scary stuff!TPainehttp://www.theampat.com/wp_blognoreply@blogger.com