tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7575061201749703300.post8093353805518568248..comments2024-02-28T20:56:23.768-06:00Comments on Sipsey Street Irregulars: Eric Holder and Barack Obama Invade Russia.Dutchman6http://www.blogger.com/profile/09935420042995679958noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7575061201749703300.post-30778403320851775582009-09-03T09:22:19.950-05:002009-09-03T09:22:19.950-05:00Churchill said:
"If Hitler invaded Hell;
I&...Churchill said:<br /><br />"If Hitler invaded Hell;<br /><br />I'd put in a good word or two for the Devil in the House of Commons"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7575061201749703300.post-9477248930731976122009-09-03T01:15:09.797-05:002009-09-03T01:15:09.797-05:00As an intellectual and moral exercise, I may not b...As an intellectual and moral exercise, I may not be able to support the use of torture. However, as a father, a husband, a countryman I would most probably not hestitate to do it if it secured the safety of my family and country.<br /><br />Call me hypocrite if you must, but the most important principle here is one I will not violate. that is, "Don't fuck with my family or country".<br /><br />There is a very easy way for me to avoid having to do that which I cannot intellectually or morally condone, but would viscerally perform under the proper circumstances. that is "Don't fuck with my family or country." How could I be more fair? I leave the decision up to them. I would certainly never initiate harm to others who planned none for me and mine.<br /><br />If that isn't good enough, shame on dummies. The one thing we can't get around is if we weren't attacked and hadn't been under attack for the previous 40 years before we admitted it, none of this would be a topic of conversation. Ergo, some of the responsibility must lie with the captives. I'm sure they weren't taking high tea by coincidence at the capture point.straightarrownoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7575061201749703300.post-36168069197647123652009-09-02T16:09:48.243-05:002009-09-02T16:09:48.243-05:00When I think of Guantanamo and the Liberal outcry,...When I think of Guantanamo and the Liberal outcry, I immediately think of the prisons all over the island of Cuba with their thousands of political prisoners, and the lack of any Liberal's interest in the atrocious conditions in them, as well as the brutality of the guards who serve in.<br /><br />When it comes to torture, I think of the conditions in North Korea's notorious prison system, or the millions executed in Cambodia after living in camps under horrendous conditions.<br /><br />And, then I think of our loyal CIA men, who are trying to protect my family, and my neighbor's family, and I say, "I know you have a job to do and it is not easy. My thanks, and my prayers are with you, because I well realize that our and your enemies may be as vicious within and those without." <br /><br />Communists? Muslim fanatics? Terrorists? I've no sympathy for them. My feelings are for the safety of my countrymen. Pres. Obama, it might seem, is merely trying to take revenge out on prior administrations for the satisfaction of Bill Ayers, Bernadette Dorn and their ilk.howarde12https://www.blogger.com/profile/18340795538212282038noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7575061201749703300.post-85799870083042270012009-08-31T15:09:18.607-05:002009-08-31T15:09:18.607-05:00Nah, this is just the system's method of doing...Nah, this is just the system's method of doing a little low-level purging. I seriously doubt Holder wants to take on the CIA full bore. From the cheap seats where I'm sitting, I can't really tell the difference between them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7575061201749703300.post-85368642377393674802009-08-31T09:14:36.659-05:002009-08-31T09:14:36.659-05:00If Holder is Napoleon's Marshal, and the CIA i...If Holder is Napoleon's Marshal, and the CIA is Russia, then the press is the Russian winter. If the press doesn't play ball, then no damage will occur.<br /><br />Three possibilities arise: (1) the press will (as it did under Bush) publicize CIA leaks that are damaging to the Obama Administration; (2) the press will ignore damaging leaks; (3) the press will turn on the CIA and, in concern with the DoJ, destroy the leakers in order to protect Obama.<br /><br />My gut instinct is that the press will not sign up for a campaign to damage/discredit Obama. They pledged their allegiance to him long ago. In fact, my guess is that the press will utilize the "criticism of Obama is racist" narrative they themselves have constructed against the CIA.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7575061201749703300.post-81069811103854548702009-08-30T23:24:09.108-05:002009-08-30T23:24:09.108-05:00If I interpret Mike's meaning correctly here, ...If I interpret Mike's meaning correctly here, it's something along the lines of:<br /><br />"The enemy of my enemy...saves me ammunition"<br /><br />Works for me.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7575061201749703300.post-334959299716491082009-08-30T20:46:52.157-05:002009-08-30T20:46:52.157-05:00The proper reaction to torture is outrage. The pr...The proper reaction to torture is outrage. The proper reaction to officially-approved torture is Nuremberg for everyone approving of it. "Approval" includes any hesitation or doubt about whether it should be throughly investigated and prosecuted, or merely swept under the official rug.<br /><br />Only enslaved people react submissively and with sympathy that tyrants<br />might lose face, or be inconvenienced.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7575061201749703300.post-22040024035677681062009-08-30T18:06:08.042-05:002009-08-30T18:06:08.042-05:00It's not going to come to anything. They'...It's not going to come to anything. They'll want to be able to use these tactics on "domestic terrorists" and they can't if they rule them illegal. At least not at first. Someone's going to find some way to make it all go away, and then we'll be heading for the interrogation chambers.Lorenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14843550881990596267noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7575061201749703300.post-54857600346632537872009-08-30T17:22:01.216-05:002009-08-30T17:22:01.216-05:00This reminded me of the Minard Map which graphical...This reminded me of the Minard Map which graphically shows the losses to Napolean's Grand Armee on the way to and from Moscow. One could only hope it also applies to the number of Obamabots out there.<br /><br />http://strangemaps.wordpress.com/2007/12/31/229-vital-statistics-of-a-deadly-campaign-the-minard-map/John Richardsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03151468462458613615noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7575061201749703300.post-55797176397134394522009-08-30T15:21:12.506-05:002009-08-30T15:21:12.506-05:00"Say a little prayer for the spooks"
Yes..."Say a little prayer for the spooks"<br />Yes, indeed.<br />Jim<br />IIIdrjimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05647484115197408897noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7575061201749703300.post-39448885505583114072009-08-30T13:13:28.792-05:002009-08-30T13:13:28.792-05:00Sounds like Holder is attempting to practice a bit...Sounds like Holder is attempting to practice a bit of soviet-esque purging.<br /><br />I doubt he has the backup to pull it off, tho. Some of us still remember Dealy Plaza.<br /><br />Anyways, maybe it's all just smoke and mirrors...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7575061201749703300.post-66160254749779530422009-08-30T12:21:57.415-05:002009-08-30T12:21:57.415-05:00"Eric Holder, acting as Field Marshal for his..."Eric Holder, acting as Field Marshal for his Emperor Barack the First has, in bureaucratic terms, just invaded Russia. The race is now on between the spooks they have outraged to a critical mass, and the progression of their bad behavior in dealing with the rest of us."<br /><br />Mike, usually I can follow your thought processes in an article. I even often agree. But this is kind of a blur. WRT the CIA: Does this mean yer fer it or agin' it? Because my attitude is 'a plague on both your houses.' None of these people are our friends. I hope the last spook strangles the last WH bureaucrat with his own entrails, before succumbing to his festering wounds.Joelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03442354270552212335noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7575061201749703300.post-37664131967509984922009-08-30T12:19:09.272-05:002009-08-30T12:19:09.272-05:00Y'know, we just had a little discussion here, ...Y'know, we just had a little discussion here, didn't we, on the topic of 'morality'? Does anyone but me recall that?<br /><br />So now we have all these folk who yesterday asserted how moral they were today standing foursquare in defense of an agency that, in recent times, has exhibited behavior indistinguishable from the Gestapo, the SS, the Ton-Ton Macoute, and the NKVD.<br /><br />And they did it all despite having taken an oath just like all the OathKeepers.<br /><br />Was there a memo I wasn't copied on? Was it written by John Yoo?rexxheadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12578166996312186309noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7575061201749703300.post-39908898429799654742009-08-30T12:17:42.107-05:002009-08-30T12:17:42.107-05:00the white house telling holder to do whatever he f...the white house telling holder to do whatever he feels like at the outset is typical. they can later say he acted independently, and made poor choices. it's always about sacrificing individuals for the party, with them. at least the bush administration, like most recent republican administrations, have the intellectual honesty to exercise power in a more unitary fashion, in tow with the concept of government as the <i>singluar group</i> with a monopoly on force.<br /><br />on the other hand, if the CIA really is as powerful <b>for</b> the white house as pdxr13 implies, then they can be just as powerful <b>to</b> the white house. which completely undermines the constitution, nevermind that bit about a <i>singular group</i> with a monopoly on force.<br /><br />so if there are in fact any posts in government for lifers, then knowledge of them and how to get them is an... intelligence issue. i don't call that a "service," i call that a secret or shadow government.<br /><br />you know, the secret service went from investigating counterfeiters to a job where they surround the president at all times, armed.<br /><br />that never struck anyone as odd?jonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02615104086703717817noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7575061201749703300.post-67267148923682783662009-08-30T11:01:37.745-05:002009-08-30T11:01:37.745-05:00Dear President Obama,
Institutionally, the CIA ha...Dear President Obama,<br /><br />Institutionally, the CIA has a very long memory. The CIA also has friends /allies/debtors in places both high and low. The CIA has a long history of secrecy/compartmentalization, and selective leaking with purpose (often the distractions of a magician). <br /><br />If an Executive wished to "shrink" the Agency and Spook Services in general, he could. This would be a mistake for the overall power of the Executive, and be like paying to have cataracts installed in your eyes. But, good luck on getting names named and The Whole Truth while actors still breathe. <br /><br />If the Administration starts doing investigation/prosecution of people for "war crimes", etc., expect the Friends of the Agency Association including active agents, retired agents, former contractors, folks with special skills from high and low to become involved. They may become independent actors on their own missions. No one really wants this, do you? <br /><br />Let me help with the decision making process: Stop this now. Apologize. Help with harmless insider pet projects. <br /><br />There is only 14 months to the mid-term election, and 24 months after that until the Obama Administration goes Lame Duck. Enjoy the perks. Shop in Europe some more. Limit talking publicly (or to the Press) to one comment every 2 weeks on a harmless topic like puppy update or how well the girls are doing in school. More golf. <br /><br />Or, continue as you are. America is ready. <br /><br />Cheers.pdxr13https://www.blogger.com/profile/04663894695994248670noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7575061201749703300.post-80655259963710581772009-08-30T10:38:03.103-05:002009-08-30T10:38:03.103-05:00I'll say a little prayer for the fascist Obama...I'll say a little prayer for the fascist Obama and for the torturing murderers at the CIA. <br /><br />God wants them all to repent from their evil ways and be saved..https://www.blogger.com/profile/01714070136249395568noreply@blogger.com