tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7575061201749703300.post4338467934247247770..comments2024-02-28T20:56:23.768-06:00Comments on Sipsey Street Irregulars: Book Review: The Whiskey Rebellion by William HogelandDutchman6http://www.blogger.com/profile/09935420042995679958noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7575061201749703300.post-85406552263571617772009-02-08T09:02:00.000-06:002009-02-08T09:02:00.000-06:00What most of those authors never mention in their ...What most of those authors never mention in their Whiskey Rebellion books is that Thomas Jefferson essentially approved of the whiskey rebellion, and certainly mocked the men who went to put it down: <BR/><BR/>"It has been impossible to produce a single fact of insurrection unless that term be entirely confounded with occasional riots, and when the ordinary process of law had been resisted in a few special cases but by no means generally, nor had its effect been duly tried. But it answered the favorite purposes of strengthening government and increasing public debt; and therefore an insurrection was announced and proclaimed and armed against, but could never be found."<BR/><BR/>And again, "What is equally astonishing is that by the pomp of reports, proclamations, armies &c. the mind of the legislature itself was so fascinated as never to have asked where, when, and by whom this insurrection has been produced? The original of this scene in another country [Great Britain] was calculated to excite the indignation of those whom it could not impose on: the mimicry of it here is too humiliating to excite any feeling but shame."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7575061201749703300.post-3013021802211270872009-02-07T17:01:00.000-06:002009-02-07T17:01:00.000-06:00"You're making the error of fuhrerprinzip"No, Mike..."You're making the error of fuhrerprinzip"<BR/><BR/>No, Mike is applying the principle of Schwerpunkt. <BR/><BR/>Look it up.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7575061201749703300.post-86418272876423879952009-02-07T16:56:00.000-06:002009-02-07T16:56:00.000-06:00"remove him from the equation, especially before t..."remove him from the equation, especially before the national militia force was set in motion, and you get a different outcome. This is not fuehrur-prinzip, it is targeting based on logic. Twenty-twenty hindsight, to be sure, but maneuver warfare logic nonetheless." <BR/><BR/>Yep. He was a key player, and if Burr had won the duel years before, or if someone else would have taken Hamilton out, who knows what could have been different.<BR/><BR/>Just as killing Hitler at the outset of his career, when he first rose to real power, or even at the time of Operation Valkyrie, during the war, would have changed history. <BR/><BR/>Sometimes, such "focus of effort" (a core principle of Maneuver Warfare theory) really does pay off.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7575061201749703300.post-22547900100512437662009-02-07T14:59:00.000-06:002009-02-07T14:59:00.000-06:00John Higgins said:"Most of the founders betrayed t...John Higgins said:<BR/><BR/>"Most of the founders betrayed the Revolution to pursue their own ends. Each wanted to form his ideal world, and wasn't afraid to use the force of the state to achieve it."<BR/><BR/>I think that's about the best statement in this regard I have heard. Living in the time we do, it is easy to forget the scope of what these men were doing. This was uncharted territory and not the simple founding of a government.<BR/><BR/>Libertarian historians are as guilty of revisionism as any other and a Jeffersonian utopia would have been a nightmare of equal scale. <BR/><BR/>Either way this sounds like a great book and I think it needs to find a place on the short list after I finally finish Atlas Shrugged and my Sam Adams biography.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7575061201749703300.post-46009355739290950002009-02-07T13:54:00.000-06:002009-02-07T13:54:00.000-06:00Anon sez: "Casting Hamilton as a unique, aberrant ...Anon sez: "Casting Hamilton as a unique, aberrant devil is as untrue to human nature as casting Hitler that way. Quite a number of people are capable of that kind of behavior. Look around you, there are lots and lots of Liberals today. You're making the error of fuhrerprinzip."<BR/><BR/>No, I'm not. Many may have been as brilliant as Hamilton was, many aspired to the unique position Hamilton had, many wanted to be on intimate terms with Washington, BUT NO ONE ELSE WAS a combination of all those things. He was unique. Ergo, remove him from the equation, especially before the national militia force was set in motion, and you get a different outcome. This is not fuehrur-prinzip, it is targeting based on logic. Twenty-twenty hindsight, to be sure, but maneuver warfare logic nonetheless.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7575061201749703300.post-85531800596940170872009-02-07T13:01:00.000-06:002009-02-07T13:01:00.000-06:00One wonders at this remove what might have been ha...<I>One wonders at this remove what might have been had the rebels had:</I><BR/><BR/>A lower expectation for the percentage of saints that were available to run this new "government" thing a loud minority had sort-of approved and imposed on the rest.<BR/><BR/><I>Hamilton was the evil genius behind these mens' oppression. Kill him, and the drive, the competence, the ability would have gone out of the attempt (successful in the event) to subordinate the common folks to the creditors of the new nation.</I><BR/><BR/>Casting Hamilton as a unique, aberrant devil is as untrue to human nature as casting Hitler that way. Quite a number of people are capable of that kind of behavior. Look around you, there are lots and lots of Liberals today.<BR/><BR/>You're making the error of fuhrerprinzip.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7575061201749703300.post-62529899801483051722009-02-07T12:55:00.000-06:002009-02-07T12:55:00.000-06:00Hamilton wanted the ultimate authority over human ...Hamilton wanted the ultimate authority over human life to be a powerful central government - Jefferson wanted it to be a smaller local government.<BR/><BR/>Both men earned nooses around their necks at some point. Neither got it - though Burr's excellent shot might qualify in the case of Hamilton.<BR/><BR/>Most of the founders betrayed the Revolution to pursue their own ends. Each wanted to form <I>his</I> ideal world, and wasn't afraid to use the force of the state to achieve it.John Higginshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09953550472344342761noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7575061201749703300.post-5515064860907467722009-02-07T12:37:00.000-06:002009-02-07T12:37:00.000-06:00I've long said that what the Whiskey Rebellion did...I've long said that what the Whiskey Rebellion did was establish the principle, right at the outset, that challenges to taxation *with* representation would not be tolerated. And it has held, even when "representation" turned out to be anything but.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7575061201749703300.post-84478444738265986432009-02-07T07:39:00.000-06:002009-02-07T07:39:00.000-06:00Good post. I will be going out and trying to find...Good post. I will be going out and trying to find this book today."Bill Hicks"https://www.blogger.com/profile/01572748453648004303noreply@blogger.com