tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7575061201749703300.post2550754704702651557..comments2024-02-28T20:56:23.768-06:00Comments on Sipsey Street Irregulars: Negative reaction to Bob Wright's Tea Party speech, and his thoughtful reply.Dutchman6http://www.blogger.com/profile/09935420042995679958noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7575061201749703300.post-80613959492678499142009-07-17T10:20:18.495-05:002009-07-17T10:20:18.495-05:00So how do we get something like that in my part of...So how do we get something like that in my part of the country?The Lurkernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7575061201749703300.post-56533575349742203582009-07-08T17:30:01.950-05:002009-07-08T17:30:01.950-05:00CorbinKale,
I am not particularly concerned with ...CorbinKale,<br /><br />I am not particularly concerned with your opinion, however, you might try remembering the 1st rule of civil discourse "on your way out"........check your ego at the door. I'll pick mine up on the way out. :O)<br /><br />Apparently, many are still in the sheep/politically asleep frame of mind with respect to how law enforcement across the country views citizens and their liberties. <br /><br />Please consider this a humble but friendly suggestion for a small example of some infomative and "educational" reading and listening. <br /><br />http://www.infowars.com/shreveport-citizens-disarmed-by-police-for-2nd-amendment-bumper-stickers/<br /><br />http://republicbroadcasting.org/?p=3007<br /><br />Big, out of control, and over reaching government as well as its neo-domestic terrorist arm of law enforcement are NOT compatible with those who understand and seek to protect Constitutional liberties and the rights endowed to us by our creator. <br /><br />Have a nice day.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7575061201749703300.post-51161219523184771702009-07-08T15:35:42.297-05:002009-07-08T15:35:42.297-05:00I do not know either Mr. Anonymous or Mr. Wright, ...I do not know either Mr. Anonymous or Mr. Wright, but I've been on both sides of this coin.<br />There are LEOs out there that are not to be trusted just like there are LEOs out there that will be some of our best friends when the real fighting starts.<br />More importantly though is this fact: "Gentleman, we must hang together, or we will most assuredly hang separately."<br />It is difficult to understand each others viewpoint perfectly since we all have different backgrounds.<br />We have had ample opportunity and time to beat on each other (whether intended or not, whether real or not, mattereth not). We have now reached that point in time that we must put this behind us, square up our shoulders, and march together. The other side is doing that (has been for some time now). That's why they're "winning".<br />Find the LEOs you CAN trust. Perhaps more importantly, find those you CAN'T trust and make sure we all know about them.<br />I'm glad to hear that Bob is on good terms with his local LEOs.<br />I'm not surprised to hear that Mr. Anon doesn't live in such circumstances as there are far too many such circumstances out there right now with LEOs pushing the limits to see when we'll react (we certainly not acting, after all).<br />I enjoyed Bob's speech. I would love to head down to NM and train with him a bit since I can't seem to get anyone up my way to take this stuff seriously.<br />There are already too few of us prepared and ready to strike back like a pit viper who gets stepped on. Let's move past this and stick together.<br />Scott Bishop<br />Orem, UT<br />(sorry, but I, too, do not have a Google account yet)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7575061201749703300.post-52744831564946317752009-07-08T13:30:18.403-05:002009-07-08T13:30:18.403-05:00There is no "one size fits all." Those o...There is no "one size fits all." Those of us fighting for liberty and justice should not be using stereotypes and broad brushes.<br /><br />Let's judge each other with objective criteria, one at a time, case by case whenever possible - while we remember that trust and respect are earned the same way.<br /><br />The hard ass attitude toward ALL "law enforcement" types, refusing to find and nurture the "peace officer" types among them, is obviously easiest... but by doing so we may not recognize - or worse - drive away some who would become our friends and allies. <br /><br />Stranger things have happened...MamaLibertyhttp://www.thepriceofliberty.orgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7575061201749703300.post-45389191200265340872009-07-08T09:57:22.157-05:002009-07-08T09:57:22.157-05:00Bob Wright's thoughtful reply indicates that h...Bob Wright's thoughtful reply indicates that he is a man of good character, and he is apparently lucky enough to live in a county where the sheriff is also a man of integrity. <br />It is good that Anon came back and clarified. He perhaps is not so lucky to have such an upstanding sheriff-the highest law enforcement official in OUR country.<br />Would it were that we had more Bob Wright style inclusiveness, because methinks we all gonna need it.milton fhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04222904984648426127noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7575061201749703300.post-7144838930368825372009-07-07T20:34:52.802-05:002009-07-07T20:34:52.802-05:00Anon says, "Apparently you have taken person ...Anon says, "Apparently you have taken person offense to my opinion comments which were NOT intended to be take as such & for that I express my sincere apologies."<br /><br />That would have been the best thing to post on your way out, and left it at that. All the butthurt on both sides of it makes it a non-apology.CorbinKalehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14190860109045068350noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7575061201749703300.post-14189789385471704692009-07-07T15:10:28.483-05:002009-07-07T15:10:28.483-05:00"Needless to say" this is not a rebuttal..."Needless to say" this is not a rebuttal, just pointing out how I perceived some things said in the speech. <br /><br />"Law enforcement knows about us, we converse with them, we've hid nothing". <br /><br />"converse" is defined as the following:<br /><br />1 to have acquaintance or familiarity b: to become occupied or engaged<br />2 to exchange thoughts and opinions in speech : talk or to carry on an exchange<br /><br />Fair enough. Bob, perhaps the sheriff and local law enforcement in your area may be honest, credible,and trust worthy people. This is NOT the case with law enforcement where I live. The experience of many community leaders who deal with them can best be described as the compulsive and overwhelming need for a shower after speaking or dealing with our sheriff or his department. This is my appraisal as well. <br /><br />Apparently either you or your Sheriff felt the need to communicate. As I see it, what you lawfully do on private property is YOUR business. The lawless environment I live in leads MANY to the conclusion that NOTHING gets said our sheriff & what lawfully takes place on our private property is none of his business, be it an Appleseed shoot or otherwise. They are not welcome. <br /><br />Judging by the emotional & indignantly overly sensitive response, I have apparently touched on a VERY sensitive subject. I am disappointed with the personal but colorful personal affronts and scoffs resorted to in your reply. I will defend your right to express yourself as poorly as you wish. I will pass along that "going off half cocked" typically yields poor results. <br /><br />I posted what I thought was my opinion and perception of viewing the video in what I felt was a respectful albeit non-conformist manner. Not sure just how the "imperialist", "invective", and "chest beating" fits in there? <br /><br />My ego is seasoned enough to take some heat and criticism although in my opinion it falls far short of "measured" or "calm" in this instance. <br /><br />Bob, I have a LOT of respect for your cause and the huge amount of time, effort, and expense you & your supporters must put into what you are doing. Not only do I applaud what you are doing, I wish you the best, and GREAT success. <br /><br />I wish more people would attend these Tea Parties. I am active in that respect & was very disappointed to see less than 20 people show up for the local 4th of July Tea Party in our county of over 16,000 people. <br /><br />I can see CLEARLY that you have not had the "education" & experience of having to live under a corrupt law enforcement and political regime that empowers local thugs, drug dealers, has members of its agency arrested by the FBI and BATFE for selling illegal firearms to felons without an FFL, openly abuses the law, prisoners, & its citizens. <br /><br />Perhaps you have never been the object of an unlawful search, arrest, had property stolen from you, or been asssaulted & threatened by the police. Give it some time....."The Messiah" and his administration just may educate you as well although I certainly hope not. <br /><br />Perhaps because of my and many others experience with respect to the police abuse, corruption, and terrorism issue, I may be be viewing & interpreting through a less than objective lense, although I doubt it. <br /><br />Apparently you have taken person offense to my opinion comments which were NOT intended to be take as such & for that I express my sincere apologies. <br /><br />In closing, I respectfully suggest you walk a mile in the other man's shoes BEFORE passing judgement or backing up the dump truck of ad hominem expressions and similar drivvle. <br /><br />Oh yeah...I don't have a Google Account & the other options are not particularly user friendly as I was pressed for time. If you don't want annoymous replies; remove the option. It is hypocritical to make the option available then make critical comments about using it when someone does.<br /><br />I will INDEED Let Unity for Liberty be our parting call.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7575061201749703300.post-87480930841341240582009-07-07T14:46:11.003-05:002009-07-07T14:46:11.003-05:00Some folks would bitch about being hung with a new...Some folks would bitch about being hung with a new rope. Which historically was a kindness as a stiff new rope would snap the neck cleanly rather than let the prisoner slowly strangle.<br />In any case Anon appeared to be IMHO an asshat looking to agrandize himself at the expense of hijacking a serious debate. <br />As for government in general, I am in Heinlein's words a "rational anarchist" meaning that I consider all government evil, but given the imperfect nature of man some accomodations are necessary for mutual survival. And I believe that by whatever means the founders managed to come closer to a workable government that any other I know of. It means that some times the government steps on your toes. If it happens too often and especially if the government decides they have a right to toe step then one does what one must. There are always three options: change the situation within the law, leave, or violently revolt. Each has a price. Oh, and the fourth and apparently most popular option, sit back and bitch and complain about how unfair the world is.Uncle Larnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7575061201749703300.post-3209084140475380792009-07-07T13:29:14.364-05:002009-07-07T13:29:14.364-05:00Bob's speech just seemed to have a general att...Bob's speech just seemed to have a general attitude of mysticism and respect for government and "law" to me. Something that doesn't agree with my outlook, to be sure, but something common among constitutionalists. <br /><br />I would like to know, though, how someone can on one hand acknowledge that government has no authority to disarm us, but on the other hand claim government has the authority to draw "borders" and enforce them. How can you have a government strong enough to do one without getting the other as part of the package deal?<br /><br />We are not talking about "trespassing" here, since that is a private property issue and should be dealt with individually, but an attitude that the federal government has a prior claim on my property and has the authority to control what I do with it, and who I may allow on it.<br /><br />There is government AND tyranny, or there is freedom. Government and freedom are mutually exclusive. Freedom means there will be some things you don't like. Tough. Adults deal with these consequences themselves instead of invoking the religion of the state, including its "Bible" (the Constitution) to solve things for them.<br /><br />I'm not trying to start a fight or get anyone to agree with me; just expressing my thoughts on this so that maybe you will understand why some people might not be quite as excited about his speech as others are.Kent McManigalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05005964583189815410noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7575061201749703300.post-54995927094885892902009-07-07T09:37:37.193-05:002009-07-07T09:37:37.193-05:00As one of those who too-often fizzes off at the le...As one of those who too-often fizzes off at the least hint of provocation, it's instructive to observe how Bob turned that.<br /><br />Gosh, I wish I could do that... ;-)rexxheadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12578166996312186309noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7575061201749703300.post-4246965042456740742009-07-07T09:03:58.531-05:002009-07-07T09:03:58.531-05:00I went back and watched Bob Wright's speeches ...I went back and watched Bob Wright's speeches a second time to be sure I didn't miss anything. There was NO hint there that we should "submit" to the police or other gubmint authorities.<br /><br />Indeed it sounds like so much "chest thumping" to me as well.GunRights4UShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16830687524291663778noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7575061201749703300.post-39756101706334431122009-07-07T08:34:00.722-05:002009-07-07T08:34:00.722-05:00I too wondered what Anon was talking about. I lis...I too wondered what Anon was talking about. I listend to the speach and only heard about speaking to the sheriff, which is a good idea if you are going to have a lot of guys running around with guns at a training even on private property. In fact, it would be great if the sheriff would join the militia, support it, or at least not hamper the effort.Larrynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7575061201749703300.post-53479431935836686722009-07-07T00:19:06.661-05:002009-07-07T00:19:06.661-05:00Wisdom and experience are two invaluable qualities...Wisdom and experience are two invaluable qualities for an effective leader. Bob's measured, calm response is a wonderful example of those qualities.<br /><br />/saluteCorbinKalehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14190860109045068350noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7575061201749703300.post-92076713144378831462009-07-06T22:57:07.525-05:002009-07-06T22:57:07.525-05:00Now, that reply was good! Needless to say, there ...Now, that reply was good! Needless to say, there won't be a rebuttal!:)Brock Townsendhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11404173139501539265noreply@blogger.com