tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7575061201749703300.post2511005126025277748..comments2024-02-28T20:56:23.768-06:00Comments on Sipsey Street Irregulars: Border, A 2006 documentary about the border and the Minutemen.Dutchman6http://www.blogger.com/profile/09935420042995679958noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7575061201749703300.post-832535948767703482010-10-01T00:08:52.098-05:002010-10-01T00:08:52.098-05:00Libertarians talk too much, I hear you. But these...Libertarians talk too much, I hear you. But these essays get the subtleties correct: <a href="http://www.catb.org/esr/writings/anarchist.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.catb.org/esr/writings/anarchist.html</a> and <a href="http://www.wendymcelroy.com/hitler.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.wendymcelroy.com/hitler.htm</a>.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7575061201749703300.post-20223157558660207592010-09-30T23:27:12.316-05:002010-09-30T23:27:12.316-05:00"Your quote above IS REALITY whether you like..."<i>Your quote above IS REALITY whether you like it or not. THEY will VOTE you into an ever deeper life of servitude and control.</i>"<br /><br />Miguel, of course it is reality. But here is another piece of reality: a principled vote against a Communist is about a useful as a restraining order against a wife-beating man. It seems impossible in all real world political systems to vote yourself to liberty. Voting only ratchets one way, in the direction of collectivist evil.<br /><br />"<i>Being principled is admirable, but not if it gets you and the others around you enslaved.</i>"<br /><br />I see no contradiction between libertarian principles and fighting slavery. I'm not the one telling you that voting can lead to liberty.<br /><br />"<i>If you Libertarians could get off the ideologue train for just a few minutes then maybe together we could stop the onslaught of the collectivist hordes. But no... we have to sit here and listen to this BS about how we want big government and how we hate brown people.</i>"<br /><br />If what you wanted was to stop the onslaught of the collectivist hordes, you and a few million friends could do that in a week, peacefully, by just stopping paying taxes. Entrepreneurs could be breaking ground on ten new oil refineries by Christmas. You don't even have to wait until the "November elections", you can organize it this weekend.<br /><br />Why don't you do that?<br />No, <i>really</i>, why won't you do that?<br /><br />Since you don't seem to want to beat collectivism the easy, cheap, peaceful, principled way by rejecting it, I have to wonder if your true goals are something other than liberty.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7575061201749703300.post-19386451708907042272010-09-30T21:13:01.435-05:002010-09-30T21:13:01.435-05:00I have an idea, to frustrate the U.S. Border Patro...I have an idea, to frustrate the U.S. Border Patrol helping the Smugglers. <br />Find what type of strobe was used by the Border Patrol. Buy the same kind and place them all along the border where ever it is easy to cross. <br />The Smugglers will not know where the Minutemen are, or where the Boarder Patrol has set up.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7575061201749703300.post-13204571428321583222010-09-30T18:42:53.688-05:002010-09-30T18:42:53.688-05:00Show me, Constitutionalists, where Congress has th...Show me, Constitutionalists, where Congress has the authority to ban narcotics, in Article 1 Section 8?Tercelnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7575061201749703300.post-51413034701847793312010-09-30T17:02:53.563-05:002010-09-30T17:02:53.563-05:00Another response to anon---
"I do not want t...Another response to anon---<br /><br />"I do not want the existing rule-by-majority-vote or rule by some voting majority that is modified by the addition of 20 million illegal immigrants."<br /><br />I'm assuming that at times you do wake up from your dream world... don't you? Your quote above IS REALITY whether you like it or not. THEY will VOTE you into an ever deeper life of servitude and control. I understand all of the tenets of libertarianism. But for me libertarianism stops at three places -- Entry to my person, my property and my country.<br /><br />Being principled is admirable, but not if it gets you and the others around you enslaved. If you Libertarians could get off the ideologue train for just a few minutes then maybe together we could stop the onslaught of the collectivist hordes. But no... we have to sit here and listen to this BS about how we want big government and how we hate brown people.<br /><br />Miguel De La FloresAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7575061201749703300.post-81596160972917379092010-09-30T13:38:40.200-05:002010-09-30T13:38:40.200-05:00Here, let me make some historically-relevant edits...Here, let me make some historically-relevant edits for you:<br /><br /><i><b>COTTON</b> (Confederacy) and <b>GUNS</b> (WWII) crossing borders at other than lawful points is smuggling and is a crime. <b>NEGROS</b> (Confederacy) and <b>JEWS</b> (WWII) crossing borders at other than lawful entry points is illegal immigration and also is a crime. What part of smuggling and illegal immigration could logically be considered part of "free trade"?</i><br /><br />I'm not claiming that lower class Mexicans seeking work and welfare and a land of opportunity is morally the same as middle class Jews fleeing Nazi genocide. But aren't the two moral situations at least cousins? Closer than cousins? There were 25 genocides in the 20th century. Historically, the economic refugee situation often grows smoothly into the genocide refugee situation. The first wave of refugees leaving Iraq when the US first bombed the cities were the upper middle class professionals. Some Brits wrote a book about it.<br /><br />The Minutemen DO want bigger government, they want government to do more active control and management of the economy than it is doing today. The Constitution set up bigger and more intrusive government than the Articles of Confederation, too. If we can't agree on the plain facts about what is and is not bigger government, how can we even <i>think</i> about more subtle problems?<br /><br />I am a libertarian, not a liberal. I do want open borders. I do not want the existing taxes or more taxes. I do not want the existing welfare or more welfare. I do not want the existing rule-by-majority-vote or rule by some voting majority that is modified by the addition of 20 million illegal immigrants. The advertising brochure for Communism reads that the public can vote to take and spend anyone's money. As long as you're doing Communism, which means voting, there will not be a solution to the problems of Communism.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7575061201749703300.post-88415134215912445232010-09-30T09:34:42.063-05:002010-09-30T09:34:42.063-05:00I'll never forget Chris "Big Boots" ...I'll never forget Chris "Big Boots" Burgard in Hatchita,NM. With his big red boots and his "Tim McCoy" big white hat. I thought to myself - "This clown HAS to be from California..." And yes, he really was from California.<br /><br />Enough with the fun... As it turns out he makes really good documentaries. Thanks Chris. Job well done.<br /><br />--MCDC MinutemanAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7575061201749703300.post-43358462702777644602010-09-30T01:50:31.349-05:002010-09-30T01:50:31.349-05:00one thing that could really be very effective in r...one thing that could really be very effective in reducing some of the lawlessness on the border, but seems to be taboo for all establishment politicians to speak on is to reform america's federal drug laws. decriminalization of marijauna would in my opinion reduce the market here in the states for the contraband that comes from the south. as far as the other drugs(coke, heroin, etc), the amount of users is statistically pretty minute. Im not saying that cannibis legalization would SOLVE our southern border problem, but I think that it might very well alleivate itbitter clinging texannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7575061201749703300.post-5611470701425112692010-09-29T23:24:08.862-05:002010-09-29T23:24:08.862-05:00Great documentary!Great documentary!EJR914noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7575061201749703300.post-309154777341110752010-09-29T18:33:19.634-05:002010-09-29T18:33:19.634-05:00Anon wrote:
"Infringing voluntary free trade ...Anon wrote:<br />"Infringing voluntary free trade in anything is always and everywhere wrong. If goods don't cross borders, armies will."<br /><br />Bull shit. Free trade my ass! <br />In what? Drugs? Illegal aliens? Tuberculosis? Human sex slaves? Al-Queda infiltrators? "Free trade" in legal goods is hardly to be found in the border crossings. Legal goods have little trouble getting over on trucks and barges and is not infringed. What you want is free trade HOWEVER THE OTHER GUY DICTATES. We have the right and responsibility to protect our borders as we see fit, since this is US SOIL, not Mexican.<br /><br />"The Minutemen want bigger government. The Mexican drug cartels want smaller government, and are succeeding at getting it."<br /><br />Uhmmm, NO, we DON'T. Most of my MM brothers are Tea Party people as well. Bigger government is most definitely NOT for us. What we want is a freaking government that will enforce the (Constitutional) laws already on the books, and shut down the influx of those that will deny US our Constitutional rights, first in mind being the right to vote, which very often is nullified by the illegal aliens. We want government to stop the crap they are engaged in and get going on what's right.<br /><br />What the pro-illegal-imigration people want is open borders, easy citizenship, welfare for "poor farm workers" and every penny I can't see at any given moment. They can go screw themselves. I'm the son of an immigrant that did it the right way, and paid for it. It's possible, doable and RIGHT. Screw all of them that disrespect our borders and laws, and want sympathy. <br /><br />While we're on it, I might as well address "comprehensive immigration reform". Do piss on my leg and call it a gift. This stuff is nothing less that AMNESTY, which will overnight, nullify 20,000,000 American votes. It's a huge VOTER REGISTRATION drive. It's bull shit, and I will never agree with it.<br /><br />Your turn....III more than themnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7575061201749703300.post-69372808691410278252010-09-29T17:45:37.302-05:002010-09-29T17:45:37.302-05:00To Anon 8:30
What the Minutemen would like as mo...To Anon 8:30 <br /> What the Minutemen would like as most Patriots would is for the Federal Government to do the job/s that is Constitutionally assigned to it. Not More Not Less.<br /><br /> Dennis<br /> III<br /> TexasDennis308https://www.blogger.com/profile/07890267243094484300noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7575061201749703300.post-63735984574639723612010-09-29T16:09:29.644-05:002010-09-29T16:09:29.644-05:00Not sure what is happening and if it is intended o...Not sure what is happening and if it is intended or not but the audio seems somewhat messed up. There is an echo with around a second or so's delay in the audio track and it makes listening to the dialog impossible for me.<br /><br />I have no idea what Anon at 08:30 on 9/29 was intending but it reads awfully similar to gibberish to me. The minutemen do NOT want bigger government, they just want government to do its job and protect the borders. Goods crossing borders at other than lawful points is smuggling and is a crime. People crossing borders at other than lawful entry points is illegal immigration and also is a crime. What part of smuggling and illegal immigration could logically be considered part of "free trade"?<br /><br />Bad Cyborg XBad Cyborgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7575061201749703300.post-62637024929500431302010-09-29T10:30:34.153-05:002010-09-29T10:30:34.153-05:00Blockading trade in agricultural goods and labor, ...Blockading trade in agricultural goods and labor, just like the Union did to the Confederacy after the South wouldn't pay the North's protection money. Infringing voluntary free trade in anything is always and everywhere wrong. If goods don't cross borders, armies will. The Minutemen want bigger government. The Mexican drug cartels want smaller government, and are succeeding at getting it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com