tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7575061201749703300.post2112693264068282189..comments2024-02-28T20:56:23.768-06:00Comments on Sipsey Street Irregulars: Open Carry and scaring the straights.Dutchman6http://www.blogger.com/profile/09935420042995679958noreply@blogger.comBlogger50125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7575061201749703300.post-20932223470265032362010-05-01T23:23:54.539-05:002010-05-01T23:23:54.539-05:00iving in AZ, I open carry frequently, even though ...iving in AZ, I open carry frequently, even though I have a concealed weapons permit. And now that AZ has gone to CONSTITUTIONAL CARRY, I might, or might not, renew my CWP in a couple of years when it expires.<br /><br />When I first moved back to AZ, I open carried all the time. During the snowbird season, some pants wetting liberalS from up north would call the PD and the PD would have to explain to said pants wetting liberal that in AZ it is LEGAL to carry openly ... :)<br /><br /><b>FREEDOM!</b>Neil E. Wrighthttp://www.homeland-defender.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7575061201749703300.post-5443000990801500362010-05-01T15:26:59.876-05:002010-05-01T15:26:59.876-05:00Steve @ April 30, 2010 8:17 PM:
We have a plainly...Steve @ April 30, 2010 8:17 PM:<br /><br />We have a plainly written right to arms here in the state of Connecticut; it has no modifiers. "Permits" are illegal taxing of a civil right. Carry, possession, sale, manufacture and trade of any sort is not in violation of the letter of the law, but many state agents and legislators are.<br /><br />I had the dubious privilege--back in the 90s--of knowing the feeling of complete abandonment as I watched while supposed fellow "gun rights" (whatever those are) activists left me holding the standard on a shrinking island. I felt like the only person in the state who refused to violate my rights by seeking a "permit". Is that true?<br /><br />This made me very bitter; I had discovered that I was apparently unique in the understanding of the philosophical underpinnings of my liberty. For more than a decade, I fostered an attitude that various "gun rights" organizations were taking money, living high and selling out low, and whenever someone claimed he supported the Second Amendment, I thought, "Yeah right, you probably don't even understand it."<br /><br />I'm therefore as interested in people's understanding as I am in action; action without understanding is fractured and ineffective. I don't want people to think that effective defense of rights is the choice of either the passivity of giving money to a lobby group and holding hope, or the other extreme, which involves violence. There <i>has</i> to be a general understanding, and the day my trust is rebuilt, is the day I hear this: "No [fill in with state agent or media hive mind of your choosing], what you're doing is not legal by any stretch of the imagination. However, I remain in compliance because your illegal orders are backed by a threat of lethal violence. My respect for your rules is the reciprocal your reckless disregard for my liberties. Expect no cooperation from me, either in enforcing those illegal, immoral rules, or in collecting taxes under threat of force, in order to pay someone to enforce them."<br /><br />In response to MBV's question: I don't intend to terrorize people, but I have no control of it, since to be terrorized is a state of mind. I make no specific threats, nor do my actions suggest any.<br /><br />Defense can only be construed as a threat by those intent on assault.TJPnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7575061201749703300.post-35558906470138516862010-05-01T10:03:18.624-05:002010-05-01T10:03:18.624-05:00When I lived in Alaska in the 70's everyone op...When I lived in Alaska in the 70's everyone open carried and conceal carried without license. With few exceptions everyone you met while out in the great outdoors had a gun or two on them. Sometimes it was a revolver in a holster other times it was a semi in a back pocket. I neither saw nor heard of any abuse of this right. I'm not saying it never happened but apparently nothing serious enough to be talked about happened. How could this be? Alaskans were certainly no more civil or law abiding then citizens of other states. Why couldn't this work just as smoothly anywhere. Sure there are criminals and nuts everywhere but should we all be treated like criminals and nutsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7575061201749703300.post-89141075204338983972010-05-01T08:53:36.132-05:002010-05-01T08:53:36.132-05:00The Leftists, the Libs, the Progressives....those ...The Leftists, the Libs, the Progressives....those who want to deny fellow Americans their freedom....they will always be quick to ridicule those with beliefs different from their own.<br /><br />What I can tell all of you from personal experience, is that ANYTHING one does out of the ordinary today, invites trouble by the Left AND the behemoth government. Sadly the Left and the government, at all levels, appears to be one and the same now.<br /><br />Government is not our friend....and "government" is no more than some dirtbag who puts his pants on one leg at a time, like us. <br /><br />Whatever we do today, "legal" or otherwise is risky business. Think twice before one acts.<br /><br />Dan<br />IIIDan Galenahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10706860204905620068noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7575061201749703300.post-42424265831466297252010-04-30T23:58:40.187-05:002010-04-30T23:58:40.187-05:00Sorry, but last time I checked I lived in a FREE c...Sorry, but last time I checked I lived in a FREE country where Constitutional Rights mean something to most people (except Judges, Law Enforcement and Hall Monitors).<br /><br />I could care less what a bed wetting, pansy, liberal crybaby is afraid of. Or not.patriot_ohiohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11127051503951052101noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7575061201749703300.post-58364462652790236792010-04-30T23:54:37.379-05:002010-04-30T23:54:37.379-05:00In the coming civil war who will issue concealed c...In the coming civil war who will issue concealed carry permits and will it be OK to carry openly? And will it be OK to pick up a squad weapon that a commie dropped and haul it on yer mule or will ya need a permit? So many commies out there there's going to be a lot of work for SCOTUS, so much they won't get around to open carry concerns. Probably won't get around to Lincoln IIs suspension of Habeas Corpus either.<br />Tigers and lions and bears, oh My. Liberty is a lot of trouble when you got all them rights.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7575061201749703300.post-79528678294684750622010-04-30T23:52:18.537-05:002010-04-30T23:52:18.537-05:00In the coming civil war who will issue concealed c...In the coming civil war who will issue concealed carry permits and will it be OK to carry openly? And will it be OK to pick up a squad weapon that a commie dropped and haul it on yer mule or will ya need a permit? So many commies out there there's going to be a lot of work for SCOTUS, so much they won't get around to open carry concerns. Probably won't get around to Lincoln IIs suspension of Habeas Corpus either.<br />Tigers and lions and bears, oh My. Liberty is a lot of trouble when you got all them rights.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7575061201749703300.post-8637382804129736212010-04-30T22:38:44.365-05:002010-04-30T22:38:44.365-05:00If we continue to allow our opponents to treat ope...If we continue to allow our opponents to treat open carry as something unusual, radical, and fearsome, then we have already conceded a premise we need not grant. I open carry partly to help bring about the day when doing so is viewed as unremarkable, and the people who object to it as sufferers of mental illness.<br /><br />Dave<br />IIIAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7575061201749703300.post-37421884447535279672010-04-30T22:17:14.737-05:002010-04-30T22:17:14.737-05:00straightarrow said (about my comment) "My que...straightarrow said (about my comment) "My question for him is how do we help them get ready for it, if we always hide it from them?"<br /><br />Good question, and I'm not sure of the answer. <br /><br />A couple of weeks ago (or so) there was a front page story in our main state newspaper about open carry. Apparently a guy walked into a restaurant open carrying and got arrested for it not too long ago. The general understanding in this state (CT) is that carry permits are supposed to be "concealed" carry permits only, but apparently that is incorrect. The guy who was arrested won his court battle. So we can legally open carry in CT after all!<br /><br />But, and here's my point in all this, this one guy caused quite a stir. There were state reps and state senators getting involved, talking about changing our gun laws so that they can protect the frantic public from mass anxiety - and they have the support of the public. Even many permit holders that I have spoken to think that open carry is a bad idea and they foolishly would not oppose new legal restrictions.<br /><br />Thankfully the buzz seems to have calmed since the story broke, and I have not heard any new talk. But as one who lives in this state of socialist lemmings, I know what will happen when more of us start carrying openly. People here will not "get used to" seeing people carrying guns. Rather, they will yell, scream, faint, cut themselves and lock their children in the basement until their communist superheros in the legislature come to their rescue.<br /><br />Right now in CT gun owners have it pretty good, as communist states go. It's easy to get carry permits, and aside from a few asinine assault weapon bans we can get pretty much what we want, relative to what most other states can get. (I just bought a Kel Tec Su-16ca, for example.) Considering who is in our legislature, that will change with any new gun laws. Call me whatever you want, but I don't consider it prudent to give the collectivists any more reason to come to our doors trying to collect firearms from someone like me who will not surrender them. While we desparately need to somehow inform the ignorant masses that guns in the hands of average folk is a good thing, I also don't think that it will be productive to scare the Borg public into creating a real crisis. <br /><br />SteveAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7575061201749703300.post-89874029730210119202010-04-30T21:48:44.225-05:002010-04-30T21:48:44.225-05:00In my state, TN, open carried is "allowed&quo...In my state, TN, open carried is "allowed" if you have a conceal-carry permit. As a middle aged woman, I struggle with this issue and I can see merits in both sides. But more and more, I am tiring of'tip-toeing'in order to placate the hoplophobes. While I wasn't quite as active a radical as Mike, I was involved with leftist activists back during my high school and college days.<br /><br />We are not going to change their minds with scholarly arguments or via the ballot box. They consider themselves 'higher life forms'. They will push us until we either give up or push back. They are not used to being shoved in return and this is why they're reacting as they are to the Tea Party, OathKeepers, Sipsey Street, et al. <br /><br />Tomorrow is May Day. The left will be out in force over the Arizona law, so maybe it's a good day to resolve to open carry as a sort of "counter-protest" where you can.<br /><br />I teach history and history teaches not pushing back empowers tyranny. I have at least 10 Patriot ancestors who stood firm and said "not one more inch". <br /><br />They pushed back and I find I can do no less.Capt45https://www.blogger.com/profile/00437794747375408844noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7575061201749703300.post-71377127491701972542010-04-30T20:39:37.066-05:002010-04-30T20:39:37.066-05:00screw 'em. if they don't like having righ...screw 'em. if they don't like having rights as a citizen here, then there are many, many socialist countries that would be glad to accept them as their newest citizen/victim.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7575061201749703300.post-64371095038978954572010-04-30T19:55:39.620-05:002010-04-30T19:55:39.620-05:00In a perfect world any honest law abiding person s...In a perfect world any honest law abiding person should be able to open carry. I am old enough to remember when you could do so in Massachussetts. However we live in a very imperfect world. The media is biased and at least one (perhaps both) of the parties in our two party system is dedicated to destroying our rights and constitution. All you need is a test case and a judge that favors your position. I am suggesting that we don't hand that to the enemies of the 2nd amendment. I am sure you have noticed how the liberal Supreme Court Judges who wished to retire choose NOT to retire when Bush was in office. Could an impartial judge make such a decision?? It is obvious the courts are stacked (by both sides just a lot more effectively by the left). If the SCOTUS becomes stacked in favor of the left (which seems likely) you do not want any 2nd amendment test cases going to them. There may be a time to scare the "paranoid crazies" but do not play into the hands of the left wing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7575061201749703300.post-76146949524380960272010-04-30T19:49:31.662-05:002010-04-30T19:49:31.662-05:00Well, since you phrased it that way... coming out ...Well, since you phrased it that way... coming out of the closet hasn't hurt the gay cause any.Son of Sam Adamsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7575061201749703300.post-79021073889322231502010-04-30T19:33:32.843-05:002010-04-30T19:33:32.843-05:00Anon said "..... I also cannot ignore the fac...Anon said "..... I also cannot ignore the fact that open carry proponents are in the extreme minority where I live, and trying to force the issue onto a populace that isn't ready for it would only result in stricter gun control laws. "<br /><br />My question for him is how do we help them get ready for it, if we always hide it from them?<br /><br />You can't normalize something by burying it in the backyard or hiding in the closet, or your pocket.straightarrowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04524358470880653334noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7575061201749703300.post-4958907617659152142010-04-30T18:06:38.320-05:002010-04-30T18:06:38.320-05:00The logical end to what Ed says is that the press ...The logical end to what Ed says is that the press has the story pre-written-gun or no gun. <br /><br />A tip of the boonie hat and a great big "F'in A!!" to Charlie. I primarily carry for myself-not as a political exercise. But if the open, peaceful, public exercise of my rights can offend those who expect me to meekly offer my liberty on the altar of niceness, or those who intend to take that liberty from me, then so much the better. <br /><br />Screw having a nice day. Have a FREE day for a change. <br /><br />Eric<br />IIIAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7575061201749703300.post-69644893721388743272010-04-30T17:55:50.638-05:002010-04-30T17:55:50.638-05:00Here is another guy whose head we get to live in f...Here is another guy whose head we get to live in for free. Hahaha PhilPhil in Ohiohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17904577845764311588noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7575061201749703300.post-39748915689408097812010-04-30T17:38:44.826-05:002010-04-30T17:38:44.826-05:00They will get used to it. WE will demonstrate that...They will get used to it. WE will demonstrate that carrying guns without a uniform and a badge is a little bit of a PITA, but the first time a known-and-released bad guy is killed in the street while committing a felony, the general public will turn the corner. A few opinion pieces in the local dead fishwrapper supporting safe (meaning holstered) open carry will help. <br /><br />They will get used to it and some new fellows who were raised fatherless will also want to carry safely and effectively to defend when out. <br /><br />To "legally" open-carry in Portland Oregon, I have to be carrying a concealed weapon permit. The cops will give grief without, and a warning to hide it better with. They are just going along to get along with the scared bunnies. <br /><br />Cheers.pdxr13https://www.blogger.com/profile/04663894695994248670noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7575061201749703300.post-35339010634983793792010-04-30T17:38:44.827-05:002010-04-30T17:38:44.827-05:00What I wonder, and I have to wonder because the li...What I wonder, and I have to wonder because the liberals in New England surely don't want anyone to know, is about any incidents in the land of the truly crazy, i.e., New England, where concealed carry proved of life saving correctness. Has anyone heard of any incidents where someone carrying concealed foiled an attempt to commit armed robbery, or murder?<br /><br />Are there any incidents where an armed good guy shot and killed, or even wounded thereby bringing to an end, a felonious rampage that took place up North? That would certainly bring "rightness" to the argument.Ahabhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07000423065458380753noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7575061201749703300.post-22115976669944105082010-04-30T16:22:12.142-05:002010-04-30T16:22:12.142-05:00Phelps said "there is no good cop without a b...Phelps said "there is no good cop without a bad cop".<br /><br />In other words, there are no absolutes in terms of how lefty/liberal/Obameites feeeeeeel. Of course we know that there <i>are</i> absolutes. Our rights are absolute. But, there is a point at which the less informed feeeeel that their safey is being jeopardized by us gun toters. So, hanging your hog leg on your hip is your right, no doubt about it. But you probably don't wear in in the shower or maybe mowing the lawn. So, there are situations wherein you <i>can</i> wear it and there are situations wherein you probably elect <i>not</i> to do so.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17754668591691406231noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7575061201749703300.post-12367586119108383782010-04-30T16:18:57.067-05:002010-04-30T16:18:57.067-05:00Taking council of our own fears is bad enough, tak...Taking council of our own fears is bad enough, taking council of the fears of others is moral suicide. We have zero control over others' fears, so if we allow it, those fears will have total control over us. And then, some wise guy will get the idea that if he could gin up those fears artifically, he could rule the world. Let's hope that never happens.... err... <br /><br />The *only* way to overcome irrational fear is to confront it. Recoil from it and it only gets stronger.kylbenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17427950951461834741noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7575061201749703300.post-59610659911804796542010-04-30T16:11:05.974-05:002010-04-30T16:11:05.974-05:00My inalienable rights are exactly that. They are ...My inalienable rights are exactly that. They are not optionable by someone else or entity.<br /><br />I cannot control nor will I assume responsibility for what someone else thinks or gets skerred of. That's on them.<br /><br />It's not about 'feelings', it's about my personal God given right AND responsibility to defend myself, my family and my country.<br /><br />Bob KattAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7575061201749703300.post-8222715505392391242010-04-30T15:37:33.381-05:002010-04-30T15:37:33.381-05:00So when and how do we norm our Rights back to open...So when and how do we norm our Rights back to open usage?<br /><br />Do we have to ask a bureaucrat's permission before we can speak our minds, follow our beliefs, buy, sell, keep and bear arms?<br /><br />It is because we have submitted to this crap over the past century that we're at a point where exercise of the Bill of Rights is tantamount to domestic terrorism.<br /><br />Fortunately these types cling tightest to the beast. Let them stay there...J. Crofthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17804199859716308843noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7575061201749703300.post-37587040620368116862010-04-30T15:31:45.808-05:002010-04-30T15:31:45.808-05:00When you see a coffee shop full of open carriers, ...When you see a coffee shop full of open carriers, you also see a coffee shop that no bozo will consider as his next "hit-n-go" job. It is businesses who accept gun owners and produce proof that there is no danger to the public that demonstrate wisdom. <br /><br />I could care less if anyone dislikes the fact I am sitting in a Starbucks with an XD-40 and a P-11, sipping my latte. What they should worry about is the guy in the alley outside the coffee shop who wants their purse, wallet and car keys.TPainehttp://www.theampat.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7575061201749703300.post-55142307777433276782010-04-30T15:27:19.907-05:002010-04-30T15:27:19.907-05:00I have But ONE Question,Why would the sight of a L...I have But ONE Question,Why would the sight of a Law Abiding Citizen With A Firearm Scare You?<br /> Unless You intend to Make that Citizen a Criminal by Outlawing Their Firearm or would condone such action by your own INACTION.<br /> As for Myself I feel more comfortable and safe in the presence of Armed Patriots For They will Defend My Rights As I will Defend Theirs.<br /> Dennis<br /> III<br /> Texas<br /> And whenever Kermit feels Frogy all he needs to do is jump.Dennis308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7575061201749703300.post-18648950992345478092010-04-30T15:19:33.317-05:002010-04-30T15:19:33.317-05:00This whole idea of being accused of "disorder...This whole idea of being accused of "disorderly conduct" or disturbing<br />the peace simply because some idiots are pathologically "uncomfortable"<br />with a holstered gun or slung rifle... needs to be directly addressed<br />by MUCH more than the statement that our activity is legal. <br /><br />What we must hammer on is that nobody has any right whatsoever to be "comfortable" and that nobody has any obligation to alter their own peaceful and non-threatening actions to accommodate someone with an irrational fear of anything. <br /><br />The mere possibility of someone being uncomfortable, or even actually frightened, cannot constitute any legitimate claim on our actions or choices as long as we are not actually threatening or harming anyone. <br /><br />This point seems to have been totally lost almost everywhere. It is completely IMPOSSIBLE to conduct ourselves so that EVERYONE is at all times comfortable!! We cannot read their minds or anticipate their phobias.<br /><br />There is no difference here with the thinking that, if we must have the filthy guns, we should be decent enough to hide them all the time.<br /><br />When you think about it, the actual number of people in this part of the<br />country (the Midwest) who demonstrate real fear of guns is very, very small. Many from other places do not understand the law or the customs, but I've talked<br />to a great many of them and they usually respond positively to honest information. I've handed out hundreds of my "Why do you carry a gun" cards, and have only run into a very few who were overtly hostile. <br />[link to image of the card: www.thepriceofliberty.org/Guncard.htm ]MamaLibertyhttp://www.thepriceofliberty.orgnoreply@blogger.com